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Post by The Highwayman on May 30, 2011 21:40:09 GMT -5
I wonder if Mattel could do an alternating line of Legends where they release 4 sets a year, 2 of which could be basic, 2 as they are now...
It could work and would get more Legends out there. They could produce many guys and gals that don't require accessories in the Basic line and sell at a lower price point.
They could have a year like this:
Legends (Basic) $10-11
Kane(masked, debut)
Ultimate Warrior
Dean Malenko
Arn Anderson
Lex Luger(USA)
Legends (Elites w/accs.) $15
Bret Hart(w/jacket, WWF Title, glasses)
Jim Neidhart(w/jacket, sunglasses)
Doink The Clown(w/jacket and some crazy accessory)
Tatanka(w/headdress, tomahawk)
The Mountie(w/hat, jacket, IC Title)
Legends (Basic)
Diesel
Greg Valentine
Magnum TA
Faarooq(Acolyte)
Bradshaw(Acolyte)
Legends (Elite)
IRS(w/briefcase, glasses, removable tie)
Razor Ramon(w/vest, chains, IC Title)
Shawn Michaels(1995 w/entrance gear, white strapped IC Title)
Mr Fuji(wrestling gear w/robe and Japanese flag)
Mabel(cloth gear)
I feel these lineups would sell decently well and the lower price point of Basics would probably really help getting guys released with little or no accessories...
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2011 21:48:36 GMT -5
No Basic Legends Please Mattel!!!!  |
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Post by Robert69 on May 30, 2011 21:51:57 GMT -5
No Basic Legends Please Mattel!!!! Agreed. The Legends deserve to be Elite style... However I appreciate the effort to think outside the box as many versions of some Legends and gimmicks they did were very simple... |
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Post by BCizzle on May 30, 2011 23:51:34 GMT -5
I think the problem is that Mattel wants to sell more figures than Jakks did, and the demand just isn't there. Then again, they seem to have this same problem with EVERY LINE THEY EVER MAKE, so it's nothing new. Great figures that are a pain to find.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on May 31, 2011 0:24:20 GMT -5
Legends has done fantastic in my area outside the first two series'. I've seen them all up to 5, and the only recent shelfwarmer is Hillbilly Jim. Every area is different, but I have personally seen a vast improvement in sales. I hope they see a spike in their numbers, too.
Anyway, there WILL be more Legends. The trick answer to that is how...we don't know if they are going to try a Series 7 or 8, or if they're wrapping it up and inserting them in Elite. Because technically, they'd still be making Legends. There just wouldn't be a regular line, which would really put a damper in things. It's a bit worrying that with Legends 6 online now, that there aren't any pre-orders for 7. If the line IS continuing, I imagine they have shuffled sets around like mad in hopes to see a sales boost with a more marketable line-up.
Here's a fact that makes me (and I'm sure others) feel old : CS began in 2004. That was only 3 years after the end of the Attitude Era. Nobody was all that nostalgic for it back then. Here's the deal now: it's 2011. People my age (mid-20s) generally don't know anything before that time period. People my age generally spend money on stuff we don't need more than someone who has a family to support. There's a big market for that time period, is all I'm saying. So to keep Legends alive, we need to see some more guys from the Monday Night Wars mixed in with Tully and Magnum T.A. I'd buy both of those guys, but most aren't like that...they only know what they grew up watching. Everyone needs THAT demographic to help support the line, to keep it going, so we can see a more historical, 'legendary' cast of characters from all eras.
Are the Legends worth the $15 price? Absolutely. Does everyone have the money to buy full sets, especially if the sets are filled with people before their time? Absolutely not. And even if they did, chances are you're going to just cherry pick your favorites anyway and leave the Akeems to the hardcore collectors.
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Post by mrhoss on May 31, 2011 7:04:23 GMT -5
I think the problem is that Mattel wants to sell more figures than Jakks did, and the demand just isn't there. Then again, they seem to have this same problem with EVERY LINE THEY EVER MAKE, so it's nothing new. Great figures that are a pain to find. I think that just about sums it up. I wonder if Mattel had Jakks sales numbers and tried to hit or exceed them. Did they take into account a major retailer of WWE figures was lost, KB/Toyworks. KB never skipped a wave, they just kept adding to the wall of figures. Kmart is unreliable, Target won't reorder, Walmart killed their toy departments (are Legends in 1/3 of their stores) and who knows what's wrong at TRU. NO wonder Mattel had to sell to Big Lots, Family Dollar, etc. Btw One Walmart in my area had a single Bulldog on the peg for at least 1 month. That should cause a reorder, right? Nope. |
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Post by Rob7274 on May 31, 2011 8:42:51 GMT -5
No Basic Legends Please Mattel!!!! Quoted for truth! Legends Basics is the worse Idea Ive ever heard. |
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Post by punksnotdead on May 31, 2011 9:19:10 GMT -5
Legends has done fantastic in my area outside the first two series'. I've seen them all up to 5, and the only recent shelfwarmer is Hillbilly Jim. Every area is different, but I have personally seen a vast improvement in sales. I hope they see a spike in their numbers, too. Anyway, there WILL be more Legends. The trick answer to that is how...we don't know if they are going to try a Series 7 or 8, or if they're wrapping it up and inserting them in Elite. Because technically, they'd still be making Legends. There just wouldn't be a regular line, which would really put a damper in things. It's a bit worrying that with Legends 6 online now, that there aren't any pre-orders for 7. If the line IS continuing, I imagine they have shuffled sets around like mad in hopes to see a sales boost with a more marketable line-up. Here's a fact that makes me (and I'm sure others) feel old : CS began in 2004. That was only 3 years after the end of the Attitude Era. Nobody was all that nostalgic for it back then. Here's the deal now: it's 2011. People my age (mid-20s) generally don't know anything before that time period. People my age generally spend money on stuff we don't need more than someone who has a family to support. There's a big market for that time period, is all I'm saying. So to keep Legends alive, we need to see some more guys from the Monday Night Wars mixed in with Tully and Magnum T.A. I'd buy both of those guys, but most aren't like that...they only know what they grew up watching. Everyone needs THAT demographic to help support the line, to keep it going, so we can see a more historical, 'legendary' cast of characters from all eras. Are the Legends worth the $15 price? Absolutely. Does everyone have the money to buy full sets, especially if the sets are filled with people before their time? Absolutely not. And even if they did, chances are you're going to just cherry pick your favorites anyway and leave the Akeems to the hardcore collectors. Yeah I agree with this, largely because you are putting the mass consumer ahead of the collector market. Unless you are a more avid fan, which I think most people on here probably fall into that category, you just don't care about guys like Magnum and probably even the Brain Busters/Horseman depending on your age. Fact is, the majority of the current audience is just too young to remember those guys. Eddie Guerrero, The Rock, Austin, Sting, HHH, Taker, Jericho, DDP, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, I mean those are the names people are more familiar with because wrestling was at it's highest level of social acceptability, probably ever, at that point. Those are the Legends that kids today recognize. When I was growing up I caught the tale end of Hogan, Macho Man, Boss Man, Warrior, etc. because I began watching in the very early 90's, but guys like Bret, Owen, Taker, and HBK were really my generation. Now kids have caught the tale end of the Attitude Era and guys like Rock, Austin, Triple, Jericho, Edge are the Legends but in reality guys like Cena, Orton, Punk, and Batista are their generation. It's all relative to the consumer market and we, the collector market, are too old to fall into Mattel's target demographic for mass retail imo. I'm not saying we should be ignored. I want as many Macho Man's as they will make, I want a late 80's early 90s Boss Man, I want a Hulk Rules Hogan, and 1989 Flair, and I think those major guys can sell to the masses because they have a big enough legacy, but guys like Tully and Arn, One Man Gang, Greg Valentine, and I even think Honky Tonk Man and Papa Shango fall into that category as well, even though they are more visually marketable, where new fans just don't know who they are and won't purchase those guys. I think the formula Mattel switched to for Legends 5 is going to work well moving forward, and I do put a ton of stock in the Legends they are selecting for these sets. I know some people don't believe that but to you I say look at L2, which is proof in my eyes, and see that character selection is an insanely important element of the process. |
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Post by ratedextreme on May 31, 2011 10:03:34 GMT -5
No Basic Legends Please Mattel!!!! seriously...might a well keep my jakks cs collection if they do |
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Post by Hollywood Asia on May 31, 2011 10:18:34 GMT -5
Mattel already said in the chat they have new announcements for the Legends line, did they not?
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Post by The Highwayman on May 31, 2011 11:41:22 GMT -5
I didn't say to change all Legends to Basic style, just integrate a Basic set in to help get the guys with less appeal and less accessories to move better. I don't get all the hate for Basic figures really...
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Post by brianregan09 on May 31, 2011 11:57:37 GMT -5
Yeah no basics at all please they suck lol
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Post by Robert69 on May 31, 2011 12:03:28 GMT -5
I wouldn't say Basics suck, at all...in fact, I prefer many of them to Elite styles...however, I just think LEGENDS deserves to be the best they can be...
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2011 16:31:25 GMT -5
Making Some Basic and Some Elite would just be a Nightmare for me .... They Can Just Short Pack the Guys who are Less Popular...
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Post by kevinandrewc on May 31, 2011 16:32:06 GMT -5
First, please do not even suggest that legends switch to basic. Some of us think the price is the issue, but Legends are well worth it if the figure is a guy you actually want!
More to that point: Tully Blanchard missed perhaps the most popular era of wrestling: the Monday Night Wars. This guy got out of it in the early 90s, and therefore a lot of people have no affinity for the man. Arn Anderson is a little different. Not only was he around during WWF's colorful 80s and the growth of the horsemen, but he also helped bring the horsemen back during the late 90s. Guys like Arn are good candidates because they spanned wrestling's two most popular eras (arguably).
I still think, though, if Mattel wants to sell legends then they need guys who either transcend wrestling, like Hogan and the Rock, or main eventers and world title holders during the most viewed eras.
We can debate until we're blue in the face about who would sell and who wouldn't. But there are so many guys yet to be made who headlined a major WWF/WWE or WCW event during the most popular runs of the companies. Why not try those first? Heck, even if you only made world champions, you could fill out a HUGE bracket of guys going back to the late 80s. Guys like Big Bossman would fall by the wayside, but we'd have so many quality guys (except David Arquette of course).
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Post by punksnotdead on May 31, 2011 17:21:07 GMT -5
First, please do not even suggest that legends switch to basic. Some of us think the price is the issue, but Legends are well worth it if the figure is a guy you actually want! More to that point: Tully Blanchard missed perhaps the most popular era of wrestling: the Monday Night Wars. This guy got out of it in the early 90s, and therefore a lot of people have no affinity for the man. Arn Anderson is a little different. Not only was he around during WWF's colorful 80s and the growth of the horsemen, but he also helped bring the horsemen back during the late 90s. Guys like Arn are good candidates because they spanned wrestling's two most popular eras (arguably). I still think, though, if Mattel wants to sell legends then they need guys who either transcend wrestling, like Hogan and the Rock, or main eventers and world title holders during the most viewed eras. We can debate until we're blue in the face about who would sell and who wouldn't. But there are so many guys yet to be made who headlined a major WWF/WWE or WCW event during the most popular runs of the companies. Why not try those first? Heck, even if you only made world champions, you could fill out a HUGE bracket of guys going back to the late 80s. Guys like Big Bossman would fall by the wayside, but we'd have so many quality guys (except David Arquette of course). Well they can't make any of these guys right now: Sting Hogan Jeff Jarrett Ric Flair Scott Steiner Kurt Angle So essentially you have: Bret Hart DDP Booker T Sid Nash The Giant Lex Luger Ron Simmons Goldberg We already have Savage and Vader, obviously I want WCW versions of Savage as well but for the sake of the argument check those guys off. So there are about 9 guys that are feasible over the last 20ish years of the WCW title. On to WWE, which has a lot of similar champions don't you think? Throw in the fact that you still can't make RVD or Mankind, and you are left with: Yokozuna JBL Legends HBK Legends Taker Legends Triple H... Everyone else we have either had or can't be made right now. So you are essentially looking at less than 15 guys that can be made right now. Not saying it's a bad idea, but I don't see this HUGE bracket of guys you are talking about. Your scenario creates a situation where we see a ton of major guys being made in different attires over and over again. I am ok with that to a certain degree but you put way too much stock in champions imo. |
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Post by Calcifer Boheme on May 31, 2011 17:22:55 GMT -5
I guess it's a distribution problem to an extant, though also one of areas. People talk about all the shelf warmers, but I don't see it.
Walmart has sold out of ever series they've received, as has Target. Kmart still has some from series two and three, but they've never recieved four, the price is higher, and I doubt many toy collectors go there. Toys R us still has a few series three, but not many. Again, people around here don't go there much unless it's the holidays.
For the most part, I've seen these figures sell quite well. Granted, my experience is only a small portion of the over all trends, but I don't see them killing the line any time soon. At worst, it will become a store exclusive the way JLU did.
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Post by kevinandrewc on May 31, 2011 17:40:50 GMT -5
First, please do not even suggest that legends switch to basic. Some of us think the price is the issue, but Legends are well worth it if the figure is a guy you actually want! More to that point: Tully Blanchard missed perhaps the most popular era of wrestling: the Monday Night Wars. This guy got out of it in the early 90s, and therefore a lot of people have no affinity for the man. Arn Anderson is a little different. Not only was he around during WWF's colorful 80s and the growth of the horsemen, but he also helped bring the horsemen back during the late 90s. Guys like Arn are good candidates because they spanned wrestling's two most popular eras (arguably). I still think, though, if Mattel wants to sell legends then they need guys who either transcend wrestling, like Hogan and the Rock, or main eventers and world title holders during the most viewed eras. We can debate until we're blue in the face about who would sell and who wouldn't. But there are so many guys yet to be made who headlined a major WWF/WWE or WCW event during the most popular runs of the companies. Why not try those first? Heck, even if you only made world champions, you could fill out a HUGE bracket of guys going back to the late 80s. Guys like Big Bossman would fall by the wayside, but we'd have so many quality guys (except David Arquette of course). Well they can't make any of these guys right now: Sting Hogan Jeff Jarrett Ric Flair Scott Steiner Kurt Angle So essentially you have: Bret Hart DDP Booker T Sid Nash The Giant Lex Luger Ron Simmons Goldberg We already have Savage and Vader, obviously I want WCW versions of Savage as well but for the sake of the argument check those guys off. So there are about 9 guys that are feasible over the last 20ish years of the WCW title. On to WWE, which has a lot of similar champions don't you think? Throw in the fact that you still can't make RVD or Mankind, and you are left with: Yokozuna JBL Legends HBK Legends Taker Legends Triple H... Everyone else we have either had or can't be made right now. So you are essentially looking at less than 15 guys that can be made right now. Not saying it's a bad idea, but I don't see this HUGE bracket of guys you are talking about. Your scenario creates a situation where we see a ton of major guys being made in different attires over and over again. I am ok with that to a certain degree but you put way too much stock in champions imo. You're leaving a few off the list. Considering we've seen wrestlers as far back as the late 80s, how about: Andre the Giant Camo Sarge Bob Backlund Early Kane Add those to the 14 you listed (18) and divide those by 4, which is the number Mattel said they were gonna reduce each series to, then you figure how long it takes to release a new series, then those will last you at least another year. And that's if you release only ONE version of each. And maybe by that time, some of the untouchables will open up. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2011 17:41:04 GMT -5
Everyone else we have either had or can't be made right now. So you are essentially looking at less than 15 guys that can be made right now. Not saying it's a bad idea, but I don't see this HUGE bracket of guys you are talking about. Your scenario creates a situation where we see a ton of major guys being made in different attires over and over again. I am ok with that to a certain degree but you put way too much stock in champions imo. Yes but 15 guys with 2 Costumes each = 30 guys ...  all in all if they sprinkled 2 of these 15 guys in each series thats 7 More Series Anchored down by 2 Main Eventers... by then they can re-use Macho man and Warrior and maybe even those guys in TNA . Plus guys like HBK have had many popular costumes... Anyway im not arguing , Im just sayin i think those 15 are enough... 2 Main Eventer, 2 Mid Carders, 1 Obscure figure.... they can go on another 10 series with those guys headlining the legends line Also you forgot Scott Hall (wwe is paying for his rehab, so he's probably gonna have a figure) |
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Post by Chewdeezy on May 31, 2011 19:30:57 GMT -5
No basic style Legends please! Don't disgrace the Legends like that!
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