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Post by gordon on Jun 1, 2011 11:53:41 GMT -5
Trust me....when you've been watching wrestling as long as I have, you'd know that what I said was true. Doing the opposite of what the crowd expects is going to get you a reaction. But that reaction isn't going to last. Jack Swagger got the biggest face pop of the night when he walked away from Michael Cole that night.....for 4 minutes. Does that mean he's OVER? Does that mean he's a DRAWWWW? Does that mean he should be next in line for the WWE Title and main event Wrestlemania? No. Jack Swagger is where he was and should be...a below mid-card guy feuding with another below mid-card guy. Because Jack IS a below mid-card guy. If Yoshi Tatsu and John Cena teamed up against the Miz and R-Truth next week and Yoshi Tatsu turns on John Cena during the match and helped Truth and Miz win.....Yoshi Tatsu is going to get boo'd. But that doesn't make him an "OMG CRAZY OVER SUPER HEEL DRAW!!!!". Except for Cena with adult males hating him...the crowd is pretty much like a trained animal. They cheer for somebody who does something a "good guy" would do, and they boo somebody who does something a "bad guy" would do, especially when they turn from heel to face or vice versa....because it wasn't EXPECTED. Firstly, just because you've been watching wrestling for a long time means absolutely nothing. In fact you give old school wrestling fans a bad name. Stop trying to act all superior. Secondly, you're proving my point. Swagger was over because he attacked Michael Cole. I never said Swagger was a draw or that he should be main eventing WrestleMania. Alex Riley is over at the moment because he is attacking The Miz. That's my whole ing argument. Thirdly, Miz never turned heel on anyone. Miz is over because he's good on the mic, good at getting the crowd going and because feuds with Cena and Orton helped make him a credible main event star. So your whole Yoshi Tatsu point is completely irrelevant. Finally, to your last point I say your wrong. If the crowd booed all the faces and heels because they were supposed to, Curt Hawkins would be booed the **** out of right now. Tyson Kidd would be main eventing WrestleMania. The Miz gets crowd heat because he's good at it. Here's an example: Ezekiel Jackson turned on The Corre. Is Ezekiel over? Not really. Are the Corre getting booed? Not much. But it's the same type of scenario as Miz/Riley. Is Riley over? Definitely. Is The Miz getting booed? Hell yes. And the reason is (as much as it pains me to say it), Wade Barrett and The Corre are not over anymore. The Miz is. That's why people actually care about Alex Riley atm but don't care about Ezekiel Jackson. Zeke doesn't get big pops, Riley does. Riley does because he's attacking The Miz, who is OVER. You've changed your original point completely because you're wrong. You've gone from arguing that The Miz isn't over to saying Alex Riley isn't over. If I was you I'd just stop because you're becoming more of an embarrassment than usual.
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Post by slappy on Jun 1, 2011 11:54:13 GMT -5
How is Riley not over?
I don't know you are right. I know you are wrong.
Just because you don't like them doesn't mean they are not over. I don't like Cena doesn't mean I can go around saying he's not over.
Riley's been cheered for more than one week. He'll face Miz. Miz is a main eventer, therefore Riley will be in a main event match.
You are acting like people are saying he's going to be WWE champion now and main eventing WrestleMania because of his attacking Miz.
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Post by wabarrett on Jun 1, 2011 11:56:44 GMT -5
You guys are arguing even though you're also agreeing with each other.
The only things that have been said that are facts are:
1. Miz was in the main event at WrestleMania 27, in a match where the crowd seemed near silent.
2. Miz gets boos.
3. Alex Riley got cheers over the last two weeks.
Everything else is just opinion.
Personally I think Miz has done well as a heel and Riley is doing everything right so far (as in, his intensity in both segments was brilliant).
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Post by gordon on Jun 1, 2011 12:01:14 GMT -5
You guys are arguing even though you're also agreeing with each other. The only things that have been said that are facts are: 1. Miz was in the main event at WrestleMania 27, in a match where the crowd seemed near silent. 2. Miz gets boos. 3. Alex Riley got cheers over the last two weeks. Everything else is just opinion. Personally I think Miz has done well as a heel and Riley is doing everything right so far (as in, his intensity in both segments was brilliant). No, it's three people arguing with one idiot who's completely changed his original point. That's why we're "agreeing".
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jun 1, 2011 12:06:15 GMT -5
Trust me....when you've been watching wrestling as long as I have, you'd know that what I said was true. Doing the opposite of what the crowd expects is going to get you a reaction. But that reaction isn't going to last. Jack Swagger got the biggest face pop of the night when he walked away from Michael Cole that night.....for 4 minutes. Does that mean he's OVER? Does that mean he's a DRAWWWW? Does that mean he should be next in line for the WWE Title and main event Wrestlemania? No. Jack Swagger is where he was and should be...a below mid-card guy feuding with another below mid-card guy. Because Jack IS a below mid-card guy. If Yoshi Tatsu and John Cena teamed up against the Miz and R-Truth next week and Yoshi Tatsu turns on John Cena during the match and helped Truth and Miz win.....Yoshi Tatsu is going to get boo'd. But that doesn't make him an "OMG CRAZY OVER SUPER HEEL DRAW!!!!". Except for Cena with adult males hating him...the crowd is pretty much like a trained animal. They cheer for somebody who does something a "good guy" would do, and they boo somebody who does something a "bad guy" would do, especially when they turn from heel to face or vice versa....because it wasn't EXPECTED. Oh you've been watching a long time? Well, that beats any logical argument I can think of, I guess you're right then. Do you even know what you're talking about any more? Weren't you arguing that MIZ isn't over? Because you've just stated examples of people doing what RILEY did, and talking about how that got/would get a reaction... So let's look at these examples: We've got Swagger getting a reaction for turning on Cole, getting him a reaction, and we've got Tatsu turning on Cena. You say they got/would get big reactions. You know why? Because Swagger is turning on an EXTREMELY OVER HEEL, and Tatsu is turning on an EXTREMELY OVER BABYFACE, which is pretty much the exact thing that happened with Miz and Riley isn't it? So how about you pull out an example from your super-old-school-genius-wrestling-fan knowledge of say, Brooklyn Brawler attacking The Mountie and getting a monster reaction. This is me killing you're point. Kidd turing on Smith got a heel reaction for Kidd.....was Smith (dare I even say the word).....OVER? I said over again. I really am a........... BASTARD.
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Post by gordon on Jun 1, 2011 12:11:31 GMT -5
Oh you've been watching a long time? Well, that beats any logical argument I can think of, I guess you're right then. Do you even know what you're talking about any more? Weren't you arguing that MIZ isn't over? Because you've just stated examples of people doing what RILEY did, and talking about how that got/would get a reaction... So let's look at these examples: We've got Swagger getting a reaction for turning on Cole, getting him a reaction, and we've got Tatsu turning on Cena. You say they got/would get big reactions. You know why? Because Swagger is turning on an EXTREMELY OVER HEEL, and Tatsu is turning on an EXTREMELY OVER BABYFACE, which is pretty much the exact thing that happened with Miz and Riley isn't it? So how about you pull out an example from your super-old-school-genius-wrestling-fan knowledge of say, Brooklyn Brawler attacking The Mountie and getting a monster reaction. This is me killing you're point. Kidd turing on Smith got a heel reaction for Kidd.....was Smith (dare I even say the word).....OVER? You're really comparing these reactions.... ....to these? No sir. No.
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Post by Jimmy on Jun 1, 2011 12:11:58 GMT -5
DH Smith was over in the Hart Dynasty. Neither himself nor Kidd are over now as singles.
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Post by wabarrett on Jun 1, 2011 12:14:02 GMT -5
This is me killing you're point. Kidd turing on Smith got a heel reaction for Kidd.....was Smith (dare I even say the word).....OVER? You're really comparing these reactions.... ....to these? No sir. No. What the hell? You're comparing heel turns to face turns now.
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Post by gordon on Jun 1, 2011 12:21:56 GMT -5
You're really comparing these reactions.... ....to these? No sir. No. What the hell? You're comparing heel turns to face turns now. Are you that thick? That's what Lorenzo's doing! He's comparing Kidd turning heel on Smith to Riley turning face on Miz. Seriously, has he brainwashed you or are you just stupid?
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Post by Infinite on Jun 1, 2011 12:22:29 GMT -5
Oh you've been watching a long time? Well, that beats any logical argument I can think of, I guess you're right then. Do you even know what you're talking about any more? Weren't you arguing that MIZ isn't over? Because you've just stated examples of people doing what RILEY did, and talking about how that got/would get a reaction... So let's look at these examples: We've got Swagger getting a reaction for turning on Cole, getting him a reaction, and we've got Tatsu turning on Cena. You say they got/would get big reactions. You know why? Because Swagger is turning on an EXTREMELY OVER HEEL, and Tatsu is turning on an EXTREMELY OVER BABYFACE, which is pretty much the exact thing that happened with Miz and Riley isn't it? So how about you pull out an example from your super-old-school-genius-wrestling-fan knowledge of say, Brooklyn Brawler attacking The Mountie and getting a monster reaction. This is me killing you're point. Kidd turing on Smith got a heel reaction for Kidd.....was Smith (dare I even say the word).....OVER? I said over again. I really am a........... BASTARD. The Hart Dynasty were over as a team, not as over as Miz, but over enough to elicit a small reaction when one turns on the other. Tyson got minimal reaction anyway. The only reaction he got was due to him breaking up the Hart Dynasty, who were over. They aren't as singles, but they were as a team. But as Cam said, that didn't even come close to the reaction Riley got. Nice Job on 'Killing my point'.
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Post by wabarrett on Jun 1, 2011 12:40:18 GMT -5
Cam, that was aimed at both of you. No, I am not thick, nor brainwashed. Back your s** off.
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Post by gordon on Jun 1, 2011 12:43:36 GMT -5
Cam, that was aimed at both of you. No, I am not thick, nor brainwashed. Back your s** off. How about you back your **** on?
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Post by wabarrett on Jun 1, 2011 12:58:53 GMT -5
Cam, that was aimed at both of you. No, I am not thick, nor brainwashed. Back your s** off. How about you back your **** on? I would love to keep frontin'... but I'll keep my nose out of this thread now as I've said my bit. Riley's alright, alright?
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Post by spamdfms101 on Jun 1, 2011 15:21:57 GMT -5
The Miz is seriously boring. I have yet to see a match from him which had me enthralled. His promos are so similar that they have lost their appeal to me. I dont know, I just dont find him entertaining. Riley is a badass though.
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Post by BV on Jun 1, 2011 15:36:01 GMT -5
The Miz is seriously boring. I have yet to see a match from him which had me enthralled. His promos are so similar that they have lost their appeal to me. I dont know, I just dont find him entertaining. Riley is a badass though. Khali.
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Post by gordon on Jun 1, 2011 15:39:34 GMT -5
The Miz is seriously boring. I have yet to see a match from him which had me enthralled. His promos are so similar that they have lost their appeal to me. I dont know, I just dont find him entertaining. Riley is a badass though. Khali. Otunga.
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Post by spamdfms101 on Jun 1, 2011 15:39:59 GMT -5
The Miz is seriously boring. I have yet to see a match from him which had me enthralled. His promos are so similar that they have lost their appeal to me. I dont know, I just dont find him entertaining. Riley is a badass though. Khali. Cool. So I'm not allowed to have an opinion on who I like? Man, I love this place!
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Post by spamdfms101 on Jun 1, 2011 15:43:35 GMT -5
Oh no, I dont like Punk or Miz! I must not be a real fan like everybody else here because I like crappy wrestlers like Khali and Otunga! Its not like I said "Miz sucks! Khali is the greatest evahhh!" No, I merely stated my opinion on the miz, who this thread was about, so back off. This is why I dont post in the wwe board often because of people who bash others for what they think.
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Post by wabarrett on Jun 1, 2011 15:46:06 GMT -5
I think the point is you like Khali and Otunga, have any of their matches ever 'enthralled' you?
Ooops I said I'd stop reading this thread. I'm a scoundrel.
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Post by DMO™ on Jun 1, 2011 15:47:15 GMT -5
If Miz isn't over then why is Riley still being cheered for what he did to Miz? Yeah, can't be because of Miz's overness. Nope, had to be something creative did. Must have been piped in cheers or something.
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