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Post by Figuremania™ on Jun 12, 2011 4:11:19 GMT -5
Are Booker T, Diesel and Michael Cole figures on the way?
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Post by gelatinoustapeworm on Jun 12, 2011 4:14:22 GMT -5
My problem is they are totally contradicting themselves by saying they won't make Baretta, Hawkins, or whoever. How many times have they said they are going to make the ENTIRE active roster? The "no tv time" reasoning just feels like a convenient excuse to not make certain wrestlers. Do Yoshi and the Uso's get much tv time? No, they don't, but that did not stop them from making their figures. Yoshi has only been on television a handful of times (not counting Superstars since it doesn't count for Baretta and Hawkins) since they quit doing the ECW show. Do I think Hawkins and Baretta would outsell Cena, Orton, Taker, etc.? No way, that is just ludicrous! I do, however, believe if they are short packed, placed in 2 packs, or made online exclusives, they would have no trouble moving figures of these guys.
I am prepared to be blasted for having an opinion. I will be the first to admit that some of the complaining in this thread is unwarranted, but those people are entitled to believe what they want. It just seems like any time someone makes even the slightest negative comment about Mattel, they get ripped for it. I love Mattel's figures! I believe they are easily the best wrestling figures made up until this point. That doesn't mean Mattel is perfect though. A person should be allowed to express their complaints and/or comments without having to take a verbal smackdown from those who do not agree.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jun 12, 2011 6:35:56 GMT -5
The "no tv time" reasoning just feels like a convenient excuse to not make certain wrestlers. If that's just the convenient excuse, what do you think is the real reason they're not making those certain wrestlers? Just to be mean to people who like them? |
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Post by LeighD on Jun 12, 2011 9:07:51 GMT -5
I had a good laugh at the UFC knock, to myself and a LOT of other people they are UGLY as sin to look at. They're proportioned funny, the joints look terrible, and they're EXTREMELY skinny. \ Ironically that is exactly how I feel about Mattel's WWE and JAKKS' UFC figures. I think a lot of people's hopes are being somewhat deflated. When Mattel took over, I think they had different plans. Now after a year and a half on the market, I think sales have definitely changes those plans. |
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Post by Dan88 on Jun 12, 2011 9:23:47 GMT -5
My problem is they are totally contradicting themselves by saying they won't make Baretta, Hawkins, or whoever. How many times have they said they are going to make the ENTIRE active roster? The "no tv time" reasoning just feels like a convenient excuse to not make certain wrestlers. Do Yoshi and the Uso's get much tv time? No, they don't, but that did not stop them from making their figures. Yoshi has only been on television a handful of times (not counting Superstars since it doesn't count for Baretta and Hawkins) since they quit doing the ECW show. Do I think Hawkins and Baretta would outsell Cena, Orton, Taker, etc.? No way, that is just ludicrous! I do, however, believe if they are short packed, placed in 2 packs, or made online exclusives, they would have no trouble moving figures of these guys. I am prepared to be blasted for having an opinion. I will be the first to admit that some of the complaining in this thread is unwarranted, but those people are entitled to believe what they want. It just seems like any time someone makes even the slightest negative comment about Mattel, they get ripped for it. I love Mattel's figures! I believe they are easily the best wrestling figures made up until this point. That doesn't mean Mattel is perfect though. A person should be allowed to express their complaints and/or comments without having to take a verbal smackdown from those who do not agree. Do they now? No. But Mattel have said it takes about a year to get a figure out so when they would have decided on Yoshi he was a popular star on ECW each week. The Usos also were in a fued for the tag titles and appearing weekly on RAW and on PPV at one point which would have got them figures. Hawkins or Baretta have yet to have that much exposure  Mattel said they would make everyone but i can see why these 2 are not on the top of their to do list, sucks but hopefully something changes to get them figures eventually. |
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Post by LeighD on Jun 12, 2011 9:24:50 GMT -5
I've hesitated to post in this thread based on some of the ludicrous statements I've seen, but got tired of sitting back. First, I think all of pc83uk's posts should be highlighted and read again by anyone who is somehow confused by Mattel's figure selection strategy. He and a few others (such as guster, AdamBomb) have hit the nail on the head; I won't try and repeat everything they've said, but, come on, some people really think Mattel would be better off making less Cenas and Ortons and spending their time and money on jobbers like Trent Baretta? Really?? I know we're all fan-boys on here, myself included, but come on. Some common sense would be nice. There's a reason Mattel makes tons of Cenas and Ortons, and will CONTINUE to make tons of Cenas and Ortons - they happen to be the two biggest guys in the WWE at the moment, like it or not. Because they're popular, more people will buy their merchandise. What a concept! This message board only makes up a small percentage of Mattel's target audience - I don't know, maybe 5 percent? We do not represent the entire fan base for figures, people. Ugh. Now that I've gotten that off my chest, here's a few positive reactions to the Q and A from yesterday. As primarily a Legends collector, I wish there was more good news for that line, but understand why it's in rough shape. It's good news that we'll see the Rockers sometime soon, and that it looks like a Diesel is coming up in the near future. No matter how they decide to continue making Legends figures, they've said that there will be more in the future and will have some announcements at SDCC. Let's look on the positive side, for a change! As a real quick sidenote, there's been a lot of posts lately wondering how Jakks could be "successful" selling mid-carders in their Legends line while Mattel is "not successful." Jakks is a much smaller company than Mattel, and until anyone knows what their profit margin was on those figures, who is to say that they were profitable for Jakks in the long run? For all we know, maybe Jakks didn't make a lot of money on those lines but continued to make them anyways. This has happened with other toy companies in the past (I fondly think of my Palisades Muppet collection, for starters). I really wish people would stop bringing that point up because unless someone has Jakks' financial statements from the CS line, you can't just say, "Well, Jakks did this and Mattel isn't!" Like it or not, Mattel isn't a dumb company - they're one of the top toy companies in the world - and there's plenty of logical, reasonable explanations for their ways of making toys.Mark JAKKS' CS line was VERY profitable for them up until 2008 when the economy sh*t the bed. I'm not blowing smoke or making this up as it has come from several JAKKS brand managers that over saw the CS line and the WWE line as a whole. What exactly their profit margins were, they couldn't disclose that to me. But lines like the MA and VA were not profitable and ended or were phased out. IMO, i think legend collectors are upset because the line just isn't doing the success as both collectors and Mattel had foreshadowed. Here Mattel's has produced some awesome Legends and now there are rumors of ending the line after 6 or 7 series with legends being sprinking into the elite line. How was Mattel only able to get to series 6 or 7 while JAKKS were able to get 28 series (even if we did get screwed on the last set). From a collector-standpoint, I feel everyone's frustrations, even if I do not collector Mattel. From a business POV, Mattel is trying to satify their primarily audience - stockholders. Like it or not, those are the FIRST people Mattel has to answer to. So when they produce money-makers like Cena, Orton, Undertaker, Rey, etc is because they sell. Yes there is a small market for mid- and lower-card superstars, but Mattel as to think long-term revenues. |
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nicster1000
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Post by nicster1000 on Jun 12, 2011 10:39:15 GMT -5
Remember on smack down trent barretta faced jinger mahol? and didnt he face dibease a few weeks ago? my point is i understand why curt hawkins would not be made, but trent barretta is on smackdown a lot.
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Post by Dan88 on Jun 12, 2011 11:13:02 GMT -5
Remember on smack down trent barretta faced jinger mahol? and didnt he face dibease a few weeks ago? my point is i understand why curt hawkins would not be made, but trent barretta is on smackdown a lot. I wouldn't say he is on SD! alot, can only think of a handful of times this year and can only remember him beating McIntyre once. All other appearences he has just done the "Job" really. I think if either is to get a figure they need to be appearing on RAW/SD! just about every week in a fued that will get them noticed and not just been used to put over other talent or been on Superstars. |
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Post by AdamBomb on Jun 12, 2011 11:21:25 GMT -5
...then why do Cena's and Orton's STILL sell so well. You're completely wrong. They are taking up space that causes the next series to take longer to show up. The main problem with guys like Cena, Orton, HHH, and Taker is their attire doesn't change much which makes less variety with them so people won't buy them as much. Atleast with Rey Mysterio his figures all are in different colors. If that were the case, Mattel is smart enough that they'd shift gears and limit those figures. What you see in your area is not reflective of the rest of the world and how things are selling elsewhere. |
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Post by Boy Wonder on Jun 12, 2011 12:06:46 GMT -5
No Sandman?  Horrible news since I would imagine that means that other ECW guys are also not in the books |
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Post by hitmuta on Jun 12, 2011 12:54:05 GMT -5
I would love a "Double Gold" two pack. Edge and Lita when they both held the belts. Edge needs his Rated R belt with black tights and red boots. Lita just needs to be made. She was so awesome.
I don't care if it's the price of a figure, can Mattel release all the belts as one pack? They can do current and old school packs.
My dream figure would be The Great Muta by mattel
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Post by PJ on Jun 12, 2011 14:56:13 GMT -5
...then why do Cena's and Orton's STILL sell so well. You're completely wrong. The problem is they arn't selling too well. They are taking up space that causes the next series to take longer to show up. The main problem with guys like Cena, Orton, HHH, and Taker is their attire doesn't change much which makes less variety with them so people won't buy them as much. Atleast with Rey Mysterio his figures all are in different colors. They seem to be selling real well by me. Sure Cena, Rey and Taker might be the last figures on the pegs when a new series is put out, because they are packed the highest in the Series...Yet by the end of the week they are also gone. Seriously the only pegwarmers I see around here are - Elites - Chavo, Finlay & Series 2 DiBiase Basics Singles- WM26 Shelton at TRU (nothing at Target & WalMart) Basic 2-Packs - Rhodes/DiBiase Legacy attires & Rhodes (Orange)/DiBiase (Blue) Series 8(?) are the only sets at any of the area TRU/Target/WalMart stores Legends - Pillman, Bulldog, Rude & Vader are at both my area Target & TRU stores DM2 Rock - is plentiful at all area TRU & Targets. Also Mattel has said before with the DCUC & JL/JLU lines that the retailers want the main familiar characters on the pegs, because they know they will sell over the less know characters. And I'm sure it's the same with the WWE. They will want Cena, Undertaker, Orton, HHH, HBK & Rey on the pegs over Ryder, Uso's, Yoshi, Henry etc because in the long run the name guys will sell over the second tier guys. And they know every day there's a new 5 year old or collector that will be buying their first WWE figure and that 99% of the time will be a big name super star. |
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Post by Quanthor on Jun 12, 2011 15:45:24 GMT -5
I've hesitated to post in this thread based on some of the ludicrous statements I've seen, but got tired of sitting back. First, I think all of pc83uk's posts should be highlighted and read again by anyone who is somehow confused by Mattel's figure selection strategy. He and a few others (such as guster, AdamBomb) have hit the nail on the head; I won't try and repeat everything they've said, but, come on, some people really think Mattel would be better off making less Cenas and Ortons and spending their time and money on jobbers like Trent Baretta? Really?? I know we're all fan-boys on here, myself included, but come on. Some common sense would be nice. There's a reason Mattel makes tons of Cenas and Ortons, and will CONTINUE to make tons of Cenas and Ortons - they happen to be the two biggest guys in the WWE at the moment, like it or not. Because they're popular, more people will buy their merchandise. What a concept! This message board only makes up a small percentage of Mattel's target audience - I don't know, maybe 5 percent? We do not represent the entire fan base for figures, people. Ugh. Now that I've gotten that off my chest, here's a few positive reactions to the Q and A from yesterday. As primarily a Legends collector, I wish there was more good news for that line, but understand why it's in rough shape. It's good news that we'll see the Rockers sometime soon, and that it looks like a Diesel is coming up in the near future. No matter how they decide to continue making Legends figures, they've said that there will be more in the future and will have some announcements at SDCC. Let's look on the positive side, for a change! As a real quick sidenote, there's been a lot of posts lately wondering how Jakks could be "successful" selling mid-carders in their Legends line while Mattel is "not successful." Jakks is a much smaller company than Mattel, and until anyone knows what their profit margin was on those figures, who is to say that they were profitable for Jakks in the long run? For all we know, maybe Jakks didn't make a lot of money on those lines but continued to make them anyways. This has happened with other toy companies in the past (I fondly think of my Palisades Muppet collection, for starters). I really wish people would stop bringing that point up because unless someone has Jakks' financial statements from the CS line, you can't just say, "Well, Jakks did this and Mattel isn't!" Like it or not, Mattel isn't a dumb company - they're one of the top toy companies in the world - and there's plenty of logical, reasonable explanations for their ways of making toys.Mark JAKKS' CS line was VERY profitable for them up until 2008 when the economy sh*t the bed. I'm not blowing smoke or making this up as it has come from several JAKKS brand managers that over saw the CS line and the WWE line as a whole. What exactly their profit margins were, they couldn't disclose that to me. But lines like the MA and VA were not profitable and ended or were phased out. IMO, i think legend collectors are upset because the line just isn't doing the success as both collectors and Mattel had foreshadowed. Here Mattel's has produced some awesome Legends and now there are rumors of ending the line after 6 or 7 series with legends being sprinking into the elite line. How was Mattel only able to get to series 6 or 7 while JAKKS were able to get 28 series (even if we did get screwed on the last set). From a collector-standpoint, I feel everyone's frustrations, even if I do not collector Mattel. From a business POV, Mattel is trying to satify their primarily audience - stockholders. Like it or not, those are the FIRST people Mattel has to answer to. So when they produce money-makers like Cena, Orton, Undertaker, Rey, etc is because they sell. Yes there is a small market for mid- and lower-card superstars, but Mattel as to think long-term revenues. I also think they have a different quota than many other companies. They're such a big company that have much bigger sales expectations. I think they have a set amount of what they want to produce and sell and if they can't meet their own requirements it's not worth the investment. When you look at the first two Legends series for example, they were heavily saturated, more than I've from any of the CS lines. I really do think that's their desired and expected volume and because they're not meeting it they have to scale it back or just eliminate it altogher. They definitely have the means to make it work but they wouldn't have the same margain of profit. This is where you have to take the good with the bad with a juggernaut company like this. The quality is outstanding, but super collector will suffer as a result of the tapering of the products. Still, it's the subterfuge that bugs me. Just tell me already, I can take bad news, but the silent treatment, I can't. That gives me a completely different view of their company. |
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Post by Boy Wonder on Jun 12, 2011 15:59:56 GMT -5
They're just waiting for SDCC, same thing they do for every line, every year.
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Post by thehardys4life on Jun 12, 2011 16:59:42 GMT -5
Ryder had 2 figures and he had no tv time and it still sells amazingly. Barreta is on superstars ever week and on smackdown he deserves a figure and I want one. Im sick of the "TV TIME" answers especially. When it's not true. No. This is just asinine. We're talking about a dude who wrestles exclusively on a web show compared to another guy who's web show regurarly gets more views and hits then said show. Have you notice at RAW the NUMEROUS Ryder signs or the fact that Ryder's shirt has sold out 3 or 4 times now? Ryder is hot now among the hardcores. Most people think Baretta got fired when Caylen Croft was released. He's such a star, you managed to spell his name wrong too.  So no. Just no. Just a bunch of babies in this thread when Mattel is trying to do something nice. Don't be surprised when Mattel stops doing these because people don't appreciate and just bitch and moan.[/quote] Well mister smarty pant who thinks he knows everything it takes about a year to make a sculpt which means superstars was still on the air and zack ryders YouTube show wasnt even made yet.... And do you mind telling me who's name I spelled wrong because last time I checked is spelled Trent Barreta. |
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Post by PJ on Jun 12, 2011 17:13:23 GMT -5
Guys... CHILL. My god... I know you have your opinions and we can respect that, but when the opinion is bashing, disrespectful and hateful it's too far and not allowed here. Keep your opinions constructional, this is your one and only warning. Please show some respect. The Mattel staff takes their valuable time out to answer your questions, and while they cannot answer all or decide not to answer certain questions, or you disagree with their answers, it's no need or reason to bash them. JS Jack can we put our new questions here? Or is(will) there be a new thread started for new questions? And thanks for doing these Q& A's. |
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Post by Chewdeezy on Jun 12, 2011 17:36:31 GMT -5
Enough of this bickering.
Are we going to see any Mick Foley figures next year?
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Rob7274
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Post by Rob7274 on Jun 12, 2011 17:40:48 GMT -5
My problem is they are totally contradicting themselves by saying they won't make Baretta, Hawkins, or whoever. How many times have they said they are going to make the ENTIRE active roster? The "no tv time" reasoning just feels like a convenient excuse to not make certain wrestlers. Do Yoshi and the Uso's get much tv time? No, they don't, but that did not stop them from making their figures. Yoshi has only been on television a handful of times (not counting Superstars since it doesn't count for Baretta and Hawkins) since they quit doing the ECW show. Do I think Hawkins and Baretta would outsell Cena, Orton, Taker, etc.? No way, that is just ludicrous! I do, however, believe if they are short packed, placed in 2 packs, or made online exclusives, they would have no trouble moving figures of these guys. I am prepared to be blasted for having an opinion. I will be the first to admit that some of the complaining in this thread is unwarranted, but those people are entitled to believe what they want. It just seems like any time someone makes even the slightest negative comment about Mattel, they get ripped for it. I love Mattel's figures! I believe they are easily the best wrestling figures made up until this point. That doesn't mean Mattel is perfect though. A person should be allowed to express their complaints and/or comments without having to take a verbal smackdown from those who do not agree. I totally agree and quoted for truth. I actually look forward to the Yoshi Tatsu's and The Uso's in the elite line.... Shame that profits the only thing that matters... Looks like many re-paints of Cena and Orton till we get them in every colour of the rainbow... |
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jun 12, 2011 17:42:19 GMT -5
Are we going to see any Mick Foley figures next year? I don't know if this question is a parody of the sillyboys who repeat the same questions, but they just answered it in the most recent Q&A. |
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Post by ctln4rko on Jun 12, 2011 17:57:40 GMT -5
New questions
How far off from now is a elite Dashing Cody Rhodes?
How far away from being in the elite line are the Usos?
Why are basics more up to date attire wise than elites?
Can you start to value our wants more? You said that if something won't sell, it won't be made. Thus why you won't make Trent Baretta or Curt Hawkins any time soon. But we as your costumers and as a unit want them, so why can't we have them? Believe me, they would sell. Why don't you incorporate suggestions into this Ask Mattel thread so you directly know what people want, and if something is widely wanted, please make it. Have polls, questions and throw ideas at us. You don't need to listen to our every whim, but having the fans in the process of picking superstars to be made won't hurt you.
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