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Post by Quanthor on Jul 28, 2011 1:32:37 GMT -5
Yeah, nostalgic perspectives, like I said. They want it because they saw him when they were a kid. Get over it and grow up and realize there's a hell of a lot more to do in life than reliving your childhood. If you love wrestling, you would research and see there's far more talented and deserving talent that should be made, but these people don't give a shit, they only want what they remember. It's not hard to type, click, read, watch...the privileges of the internet are phenomenal. They can be a part of and relive history instead of reminiscing with themselves about the "glory days" of when they saw some overgrown doofus wag his ridiculous hair around in bright orange and yellow spandex.
They can do whatever they please, but that's not going to stop me from pissing and moaning about why someone would select Doink over Don Muraco.
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Post by chaz on Jul 28, 2011 1:46:06 GMT -5
So.. everyone needs to go and research 1985 to enjoy wrestling? That's absolutely absurd. Why the hell would someone buy a figure of someone they know nothing about just to please these older "elitists" that condemn anything that isn't either from the "glory days" or pre-1989? I would buy a thousand Doinks before wanting Muraco because he is someone I remember and want for my own personal collection.
Nostalgia for others isn't for you to define.
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Post by Quanthor on Jul 28, 2011 2:16:03 GMT -5
So.. everyone needs to go and research 1985 to enjoy wrestling? That's absolutely absurd. Why the hell would someone buy a figure of someone they know nothing about just to please these older "elitists" that condemn anything that isn't either from the "glory days" or pre-1989? I would buy a thousand Doinks before wanting Muraco because he is someone I remember and want for my own personal collection. Nostalgia for others isn't for you to define. You are exactly what I'm talking about. You're a nostalgia seeker 1st before you're a wrestling fan. Wouldn't a fan want to see the best? Wouldn't a fan research and watch what made them so special that they're in the hall of fame? Why am I asking this...of course not, we remember the days of plumbers and garbage men and it makes us feel good inside having those characters on our mantel. Clicking buttons and reading letters that form together to create words is far too troublesome...besides...THEY'RE OLD! Why do I want to see some crusty legends strut his stuff when I can relive the moments clowns and mullets. Don Muraco vs Steamboat? Pish posh, give me that big stiff worker in bright clothing and clown gags any day of the week. It sounds absurd, because it is to me.
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Post by chaz on Jul 28, 2011 2:34:05 GMT -5
So.. everyone needs to go and research 1985 to enjoy wrestling? That's absolutely absurd. Why the hell would someone buy a figure of someone they know nothing about just to please these older "elitists" that condemn anything that isn't either from the "glory days" or pre-1989? I would buy a thousand Doinks before wanting Muraco because he is someone I remember and want for my own personal collection. Nostalgia for others isn't for you to define. You are exactly what I'm talking about. You're a nostalgia seeker 1st before you're a wrestling fan. Wouldn't a fan want to see the best? Wouldn't a fan research and watch what made them so special that they're in the hall of fame? Why am I asking this...of course not, we remember the days of plumbers and garbage men and it makes us feel good inside having those characters on our mantel. Clicking buttons and reading letters that form together to create words is far too troublesome...besides...THEY'RE OLD! Why do I want to see some crusty legends strut his stuff when I can relive the moments clowns and mullets. Don Muraco vs Steamboat? Pish posh, give me that big stiff worker in bright clothing and clown gags any day of the week. It sounds absurd, because it is to me. You're completely missing the point. What you're saying is fine from your standpoint. It makes you feel good inside remembering good ol' Magnum T.A the wrassler from 1985. Should I rip you another bunghole for that? No. You've missed the point so much you have to question my perception of wrestling. I enjoy "wrestling" just as much as you or anyone else on this board. I enjoy the Harts, Dynamite, Hennig, Benoit, Malenko, the Guerreros, Vader, the Steiners and tons more. It's irrelevant, really. But, I enjoy the characters too. So what if I like Evil Crush? Or Doink? Or the Model? Or freakin' Duke Droese!? I don't. If I enjoyed them back in the day and if they give me that nostalgic feeling, why shouldn't I "want them on my mantel"? What are you gonna do with the Magnum, Tully and Muraco you purchase? I'll tell you what. You're gonna get that nostalgic feeling and think "gee, I loved those guys back in the day". The same as everyone else voting for who they want to see.
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Post by Bandalero on Jul 28, 2011 7:56:19 GMT -5
I don't know the hard numbers, but here are some facts we do know:
1. The Legends line is in so much trouble that they've decided to introduce another strategy 2. Costs for production is on the rise 3. Creating new/unique molds for toys is expensive in general
Now are you honestly going to invest heavily in an unrecognizable name like "Savio Vega"? That's not a name that resonates with wrestling fans, much less the casual consumer. I get why some of you next generation-era fans want a clown and a mullet, but from a purely business perspective is that good for business?
Crap on Magnum T.A. all you want, he looks so boring, I get it - but his cowboy boots mold (which is different from the bigger Dusty Rhodes boots mold) can be reused for Barry Windham, a pre-Goldust Dustin Rhodes, Wahoo McDaniel, and many other western-type wrestlers.
Mattycollector isn't a vehicle to move 20,000 units of a figure guys, they have low production number runs because it is for EXCLUSIVES. The Doink-gimmick does not qualify as an exclusive nor is it a legendary gimmick - seriously would you hold a clown-gimmick next to Undertaker's 20-year dead man gimmick???
And quite frankly some of those guys on the list are much more Legendary than the others.
when champsionships did matter back in the day - Magnum, Arn, Tully, Barry, Ted, Tito, Muraco, even JYD held more singles titles than the Doink gimmick, mullet Crush, or Savio Vega.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2011 10:02:48 GMT -5
If doink gets the most votes, he should be made. If magnum t.a gets the most votes then he should be made. That's it. That's what it boils down to. Quanthor, u sound so ridiculous. How would you feel if someone older than u said the same bullshit, that all your doing is getting nostalgia for guys like magnum t.a who had ridiculous gimicks and didn't truly appreciate the wrestlers of the 40's and 50's. That you should get over your nostalgia and research guys who wrestled in 1950. ?
This thread is ridiculous, so is the voting. Everyones so upset because other people see things differently, I would prefer crush over magnum t.a any day, but if magnum t.a gets made and crush doesn't then I won't piss and moan. It is what it is, unfortunatly voting isn't fair on the site so mattel will never know how many people want magnum t.a or crush, they'll just know how many times the button was clicked. Everyones upset their favorite guy isn't a shoe in, I'm just upset that people can vote all day all night, I'm getting over it though
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Post by Quanthor on Jul 28, 2011 10:26:14 GMT -5
Pretty sure I clarified that I'm not buying anybody because I saw them when I was a kid. I never saw Gorgeous George, but I want him, I never saw Buddy Rogers, but I want him, hell one of my favorite wresting promotions is WCCW and I never saw any of it up until a few years ago courtesy of WWE ondemand, but I fell in love with it because it's great and it was groundbreaking. I want the best, I'm not going to pass up on somebody who made history over a guy that I remember seeing as a kid. I wouldn't pass up on 70's Harley Race and vote for SD Jones because that would be ridiculous.
Most people wont go past the point and time when they were a kid and for some damn reason people need to capture their damn childhood in toy form. Collectors in general are like that, maybe it's because their life sucks so bad that they need to be reminded of that time when their mother cooked them a can of vegetable soup and rubbed their tootsies. I don't.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2011 11:24:35 GMT -5
Pretty sure I clarified that I'm not buying anybody because I saw them when I was a kid. I never saw Gorgeous George, but I want him, I never saw Buddy Rogers, but I want him, hell one of my favorite wresting promotions is WCCW and I never saw any of it up until a few years ago courtesy of WWE ondemand, but I fell in love with it because it's great and it was groundbreaking. I want the best, I'm not going to pass up on somebody who made history over a guy that I remember seeing as a kid. I wouldn't pass up on 70's Harley Race and vote for SD Jones because that would be ridiculous. Most people wont go past the point and time when they were a kid and for some damn reason people need to capture their damn childhood in toy form. Collectors in general are like that, maybe it's because their life sucks so bad that they need to be reminded of that time when their mother cooked them a can of vegetable soup and rubbed their tootsies. I don't. News flash , Legend Figures are Nostalgic ... if you dont like nostalgia go buy Some current figures .... And honestly Harley Race didnt make History any more than Doink the Clown did.... They Both Wrestled, Won Scripted Matches and Performed and ENTERTAINED for Crowds of People. Your Opinion of " The Best " is the One The Man Sold to you.
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Post by chaz on Jul 28, 2011 11:41:05 GMT -5
If doink gets the most votes, he should be made. If magnum t.a gets the most votes then he should be made. That's it. That's what it boils down to. Quanthor, u sound so ridiculous. How would you feel if someone older than u said the same bullpoop, that all your doing is getting nostalgia for guys like magnum t.a who had ridiculous gimicks and didn't truly appreciate the wrestlers of the 40's and 50's. That you should get over your nostalgia and research guys who wrestled in 1950. ? This thread is ridiculous, so is the voting. Everyones so upset because other people see things differently, I would prefer crush over magnum t.a any day, but if magnum t.a gets made and crush doesn't then I won't piss and moan. It is what it is, unfortunatly voting isn't fair on the site so mattel will never know how many people want magnum t.a or crush, they'll just know how many times the button was clicked. Everyones upset their favorite guy isn't a shoe in, I'm just upset that people can vote all day all night, I'm getting over it though +1 good sir. Fantastic post. Quanthor, you argument is completely flawed. You cannot define nostalgia for anyone else and you can't define what "great" is to someone else. For all you know Doink might be someone's favourite wrestler and they want that figure of him in their collection. Legends are made for the nostalgia factor and Mattel are trying to cater to everyone with the product they're putting out, hence why we have Magnum T.A. and Savio Vega on the same list. I don't need to capture anything from my childhood in figure-form. I guess your reasoning behind that would be different to the one you have for wanting your precious NWA guys though, right? "Look at me, I have cool people standing on my shelf. How awesome am I?" You know, who the hell are you to question whether my life "sucks"? (Just for shits and giggles, my life is fantastic, thank you) Why is that even relevant? You're a 29 year-old man ripping on people over the internet for having an opinion different to your own! Grow up, stop being so elitist and butt hurt over the fact that Magnum T.A. could potentially miss out on a figure.
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Post by brochester on Jul 28, 2011 12:00:21 GMT -5
I voted for Magnum TA, Ms. Elizabeth, Savio Vega because they are the only ones not made yet and that I need. Then I voted for DDP (hoping for WCW attire) and Farooq (hoping for NOD attire)
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Post by 1ultimateman on Jul 28, 2011 13:21:51 GMT -5
guys, you do realize that this whole voting thing could be a farce to begin with right? I hate to be cynical, but if Mattel wanted this to be as open and transparent as possible with their fans, there's no reason why they couldn't show instant results instead of this private voting. Added to that, if Mattel were serious about this, they would fix the major coding flaw that allows us to vote 100s of times and pick as many people as we want - they haven't done that yet now have they? However this thing goes, I honestly think it's rigged (queue Boss Bill or the MDT coming in here saying it's not). Mattel has their strategy in place, we've actually see hardcore proof protos of Arn Anderson and Magnum TA. Has a Doink or Savio Vega leaked out into the interwebs? No... Personally I agree with PJ - mattycollector.com is an online exclusive deal where figures range from $20-$40 a piece and shipping (especially for International people like zombie and I) will be up to another $20. There is absolutely no way in hell that international buyers are going to spend up to $40 en mass for a Doink. The website is exclusive, the production numbers are low, it's perfect for guys like Arn Anderson and Magnum T.A. Doink, Vega, and the like should be in flashbacks at RETAIL. I like the way that sounds, Really good thought...My wish may come True, Vote: Magnum TA Arn Anderson Tully Blanchard Barry Windham PLEASE!!!!
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Post by "The Perfect Ten" Mizard on Jul 28, 2011 13:35:30 GMT -5
You are exactly what I'm talking about. You're a nostalgia seeker 1st before you're a wrestling fan. Wouldn't a fan want to see the best? Wouldn't a fan research and watch what made them so special that they're in the hall of fame? Why am I asking this...of course not, we remember the days of plumbers and garbage men and it makes us feel good inside having those characters on our mantel. Clicking buttons and reading letters that form together to create words is far too troublesome...besides...THEY'RE OLD! Why do I want to see some crusty legends strut his stuff when I can relive the moments clowns and mullets. Don Muraco vs Steamboat? Pish posh, give me that big stiff worker in bright clothing and clown gags any day of the week. It sounds absurd, because it is to me. You're completely missing the point. What you're saying is fine from your standpoint. It makes you feel good inside remembering good ol' Magnum T.A the wrassler from 1985. Should I rip you another bunghole for that? No. You've missed the point so much you have to question my perception of wrestling. I enjoy "wrestling" just as much as you or anyone else on this board. I enjoy the Harts, Dynamite, Hennig, Benoit, Malenko, the Guerreros, Vader, the Steiners and tons more. It's irrelevant, really. But, I enjoy the characters too. So what if I like Evil Crush? Or Doink? Or the Model? Or freakin' Duke Droese!? I don't. If I enjoyed them back in the day and if they give me that nostalgic feeling, why shouldn't I "want them on my mantel"? What are you gonna do with the Magnum, Tully and Muraco you purchase? I'll tell you what. You're gonna get that nostalgic feeling and think "gee, I loved those guys back in the day". The same as everyone else voting for who they want to see. Nostalgia is one of the main reasons why people collect memorabilia. If mattel wants to continue to have collectors interested with their product they are going to have to continue a "legends(since when was Savio friggin Vega a legend)" line to trigger nostalgia.
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Post by Quanthor on Jul 28, 2011 14:13:42 GMT -5
If doink gets the most votes, he should be made. If magnum t.a gets the most votes then he should be made. That's it. That's what it boils down to. Quanthor, u sound so ridiculous. How would you feel if someone older than u said the same bullpoop, that all your doing is getting nostalgia for guys like magnum t.a who had ridiculous gimicks and didn't truly appreciate the wrestlers of the 40's and 50's. That you should get over your nostalgia and research guys who wrestled in 1950. ? This thread is ridiculous, so is the voting. Everyones so upset because other people see things differently, I would prefer crush over magnum t.a any day, but if magnum t.a gets made and crush doesn't then I won't piss and moan. It is what it is, unfortunatly voting isn't fair on the site so mattel will never know how many people want magnum t.a or crush, they'll just know how many times the button was clicked. Everyones upset their favorite guy isn't a shoe in, I'm just upset that people can vote all day all night, I'm getting over it though +1 good sir. Fantastic post. Quanthor, you argument is completely flawed. You cannot define nostalgia for anyone else and you can't define what "great" is to someone else. For all you know Doink might be someone's favourite wrestler and they want that figure of him in their collection. Legends are made for the nostalgia factor and Mattel are trying to cater to everyone with the product they're putting out, hence why we have Magnum T.A. and Savio Vega on the same list. I don't need to capture anything from my childhood in figure-form. I guess your reasoning behind that would be different to the one you have for wanting your precious NWA guys though, right? "Look at me, I have cool people standing on my shelf. How awesome am I?" You know, who the hell are you to question whether my life "sucks"? (Just for poops and giggles, my life is fantastic, thank you) Why is that even relevant? You're a 29 year-old man ripping on people over the internet for having an opinion different to your own! Grow up, stop being so elitist and butt hurt over the fact that Magnum T.A. could potentially miss out on a figure. I was defining nostalgia based on the definition of the word. If you are buying a figure for the purpose of revisiting your childhood i.e. if you refuse to indulge yourself into anything "before your time" and are buying wrestlers you remember as a kid...you are buying figures for nostalgic purposes. Nostalgia is fun, but it's also overkill, they have remade or revisited nearly everything since I was a kid in the past 10 years. Nostalgic merchandise galore and while it's fun to reflect, there's also that realization that most that stuff isn't that great. 80's cartoons suck, but nostalgia lovers who grew in that time span will tell you it's the greatest crapever made and that's hilarious because animators constantly make fun of how poorly those show were made. Wrestling is no different, there's good and bad and that's fine and dandy, but I personally find it annoying as a wrestling fan that people prefer a character solely because that's what they're familiar with. Unfortunately, most wrestling fans care not of the history and have short attention spans(something WWE admits about their fanbase). Why would wouldn't want the knowledge or to witness the great moments? I'm not an elitist or completist. I'm not looking for era's, promotions or any of that crap, in fact I alluded to that a billion times already and it's not registering...must be all those letters forming together to create words again. I'm pretty sure I never mentioned anything about 1985 or NWA, but that's ok. There's really no excuse, the "before my time" BS doesn't work in this day in age when everything is at our fingertips. It can become your time by simply reading and watching. It's accessible, pretty sure. If they made it all I wouldn't care, nostalgia collectors who want goofy gimmicks and silly costumes can have their choices and wrestling fans like myself can have guys like Dory Funk, Jack Brisco, Lou Thesz, etc, but because the line is in jeopardy and they're giving us a small list and minimizing our requests I find it a tad discouraging that more people wouldn't want somebody who made history, has special moments and matches that are still talked about today vs some big meat-head in a ridiculous outfit.
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Post by chaz on Jul 28, 2011 14:19:52 GMT -5
You're completely missing the point. What you're saying is fine from your standpoint. It makes you feel good inside remembering good ol' Magnum T.A the wrassler from 1985. Should I rip you another bunghole for that? No. You've missed the point so much you have to question my perception of wrestling. I enjoy "wrestling" just as much as you or anyone else on this board. I enjoy the Harts, Dynamite, Hennig, Benoit, Malenko, the Guerreros, Vader, the Steiners and tons more. It's irrelevant, really. But, I enjoy the characters too. So what if I like Evil Crush? Or Doink? Or the Model? Or freakin' Duke Droese!? I don't. If I enjoyed them back in the day and if they give me that nostalgic feeling, why shouldn't I "want them on my mantel"? What are you gonna do with the Magnum, Tully and Muraco you purchase? I'll tell you what. You're gonna get that nostalgic feeling and think "gee, I loved those guys back in the day". The same as everyone else voting for who they want to see. Nostalgia is one of the main reasons why people collect memorabilia. If mattel wants to continue to have collectors interested with their product they are going to have to continue a "legends(since when was Savio friggin Vega a legend)" line to trigger nostalgia. To some people Savio Vega represents nostalgia. Personally, I don't like Savio and never have, so I wouldn't buy his figure if it was made. To me, nostalgia is guys like Crush and Doink. "Legends" is a name for the brand. It doesn't mean everyone that is made in the line has to have been at the top of the professional wrestling industry at some point. It's a loose term to get classic superstars released.
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Post by chaz on Jul 28, 2011 14:33:06 GMT -5
+1 good sir. Fantastic post. Quanthor, you argument is completely flawed. You cannot define nostalgia for anyone else and you can't define what "great" is to someone else. For all you know Doink might be someone's favourite wrestler and they want that figure of him in their collection. Legends are made for the nostalgia factor and Mattel are trying to cater to everyone with the product they're putting out, hence why we have Magnum T.A. and Savio Vega on the same list. I don't need to capture anything from my childhood in figure-form. I guess your reasoning behind that would be different to the one you have for wanting your precious NWA guys though, right? "Look at me, I have cool people standing on my shelf. How awesome am I?" You know, who the hell are you to question whether my life "sucks"? (Just for poops and giggles, my life is fantastic, thank you) Why is that even relevant? You're a 29 year-old man ripping on people over the internet for having an opinion different to your own! Grow up, stop being so elitist and butt hurt over the fact that Magnum T.A. could potentially miss out on a figure. I was defining nostalgia based on the definition of the word. If you are buying a figure for the purpose of revisiting your childhood i.e. if you refuse to indulge yourself into anything "before your time" and are buying wrestlers you remember as a kid...you are buying figures for nostalgic purposes. Nostalgia is fun, but it's also overkill, they have remade or revisited nearly everything since I was a kid in the past 10 years. Nostalgic merchandise galore and while it's fun to reflect, there's also that realization that most that stuff isn't that great. 80's cartoons suck, but nostalgia lovers who grew in that time span will tell you it's the greatest poop ever made and that's hilarious because animators constantly make fun of how poorly those show were made. Wrestling is no different, there's good and bad and that's fine and dandy, but I personally find it annoying as a wrestling fan that people prefer a character solely because that's what they're familiar with. Unfortunately, most wrestling fans care not of the history and have short attention spans(something WWE admits about their fanbase). Why would wouldn't want the knowledge or to witness the great moments? I'm not an elitist or completist. I'm not looking for era's, promotions or any of that crap, in fact I alluded to that a billion times already and it's not registering...must be all those letters forming together to create words again. I'm pretty sure I never mentioned anything about 1985 or NWA, but that's ok. There's really no excuse, the "before my time" BS doesn't work in this day in age when everything is at our fingertips. It can become your time by simply reading and watching. It's accessible, pretty sure. If they made it all I wouldn't care, nostalgia collectors who want goofy gimmicks and silly costumes can have their choices and wrestling fans like myself can have guys like Dory Funk, Jack Brisco, Lou Thesz, etc, but because the line is in jeopardy and they're giving us a small list and minimizing our requests I find it a tad discouraging that more people wouldn't want somebody who made history, has special moments and matches that are still talked about today vs some big meat-head in a ridiculous outfit. Why are you trying to characterise yourself as a "wrestling fan" because you like the NWA guys? Because I like Doink and Crush I'm not a wrestling fan? That's complete bull and shows that are you coming across as elitist. Must be all those letters forming words that has led to you missing the point I made about having gone back and reviewed footage from the late 70's and through the 80's. I've watched all the guys you're harping on about. They can "wrestle", no doubt, but they are not why I watch wrestling. I got into wrestling with the New Generation, that's why I watch. Why would I want Magnum or Dory or the Briscoes when they hold little relevance to me? It doesn't make sense. So yes, "before my time" is a very good reason for not wanting to see a certain figure made over another. Would you buy George Hackenschmidt over Magnum because he made more history? How about Ed Lewis over Barry Windham? Not going to happen because, history aside, you have a personal preference for guys like Magnum and Windham. That's nostalgic for you. It's the same for everyone else but with the superstars differentiating each time.
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Post by Bandalero on Jul 28, 2011 14:36:56 GMT -5
"Legends" is a name for the brand. It doesn't mean everyone that is made in the line has to have been at the top of the professional wrestling industry at some point. It's a loose term to get classic superstars released. But "Doink" isn't a Legend or a Classic Superstar, "Doink" is (IMHO) a stupid gimmick. Maybe you guys were too young at the time to remember, but I distinctly recall critics of the WWF product in the '91-'93 era calling the company a 3-ringed circus with all the wacky gimmicks. So Vince did what he always does to critics and created a wrestling clown gimmick for his 3-ringed circus. I don't know man, the line is in trouble. They don't have money to spend on the line. Yet some of you are okay if they invest in a Doink mold because you loved clowns when you were a kid. *shrug* The "little Jimmys" of the world who don't have a credit card can't go on mattycollector to order Doink simply because mattycollector is not designed for the casual consumer.
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Post by chaz on Jul 28, 2011 14:49:32 GMT -5
"Legends" is a name for the brand. It doesn't mean everyone that is made in the line has to have been at the top of the professional wrestling industry at some point. It's a loose term to get classic superstars released. But "Doink" isn't a Legend or a Classic Superstar, "Doink" is (IMHO) a stupid gimmick. Maybe you guys were too young at the time to remember, but I distinctly recall critics of the WWF product in the '91-'93 era calling the company a 3-ringed circus with all the wacky gimmicks. So Vince did what he always does to critics and created a wrestling clown gimmick for his 3-ringed circus. I don't know man, the line is in trouble. They don't have money to spend on the line. Yet some of you are okay if they invest in a Doink mold because you loved clowns when you were a kid. *shrug* The "little Jimmys" of the world who don't have a credit card can't go on mattycollector to order Doink simply because mattycollector is not designed for the casual consumer. I guarantee Doink would sell far better than a fat, bald and bland Dory Funk figure. Classic, by WWE standards, is something/someone from their past. A little crazy I suppose, but Doink falls under that category whether you choose to acknowledge it or not. Liking it is a whole different story. I enjoyed Doink, I really did and I'm not afraid to admit. You can call me out for "liking clowns" but I'm looking at your signature image right now and it's laughable. You're calling me out for wanting a Doink figure and for it being an odd choice, that it'll somehow damage the Legends line. Yet, you're infatuated with NWA superstars! Aside from the very small group of over 30 y/o customers, who the hell is going to buy all these NWA guys? At least someone like Doink can be marketed towards kids too, and in a way, helping keep the Legends line alive through a wider target audience. Rag on the "Little Jimmys" when they're not buying up the Magnum T.A. or Tully Blanchard you voted for 300 times a day that ultimately kills the Legends line.
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Post by Quanthor on Jul 28, 2011 14:54:14 GMT -5
I was defining nostalgia based on the definition of the word. If you are buying a figure for the purpose of revisiting your childhood i.e. if you refuse to indulge yourself into anything "before your time" and are buying wrestlers you remember as a kid...you are buying figures for nostalgic purposes. Nostalgia is fun, but it's also overkill, they have remade or revisited nearly everything since I was a kid in the past 10 years. Nostalgic merchandise galore and while it's fun to reflect, there's also that realization that most that stuff isn't that great. 80's cartoons suck, but nostalgia lovers who grew in that time span will tell you it's the greatest poop ever made and that's hilarious because animators constantly make fun of how poorly those show were made. Wrestling is no different, there's good and bad and that's fine and dandy, but I personally find it annoying as a wrestling fan that people prefer a character solely because that's what they're familiar with. Unfortunately, most wrestling fans care not of the history and have short attention spans(something WWE admits about their fanbase). Why would wouldn't want the knowledge or to witness the great moments? I'm not an elitist or completist. I'm not looking for era's, promotions or any of that crap, in fact I alluded to that a billion times already and it's not registering...must be all those letters forming together to create words again. I'm pretty sure I never mentioned anything about 1985 or NWA, but that's ok. There's really no excuse, the "before my time" BS doesn't work in this day in age when everything is at our fingertips. It can become your time by simply reading and watching. It's accessible, pretty sure. If they made it all I wouldn't care, nostalgia collectors who want goofy gimmicks and silly costumes can have their choices and wrestling fans like myself can have guys like Dory Funk, Jack Brisco, Lou Thesz, etc, but because the line is in jeopardy and they're giving us a small list and minimizing our requests I find it a tad discouraging that more people wouldn't want somebody who made history, has special moments and matches that are still talked about today vs some big meat-head in a ridiculous outfit. Why are you trying to characterise yourself as a "wrestling fan" because you like the NWA guys? Because I like Doink and Crush I'm not a wrestling fan? That's complete bull and shows that are you coming across as elitist. Must be all those letters forming words that has led to you missing the point I made about having gone back and reviewed footage from the late 70's and through the 80's. I've watched all the guys you're harping on about. They can "wrestle", no doubt, but they are not why I watch wrestling. I got into wrestling with the New Generation, that's why I watch. Why would I want Magnum or Dory or the Briscoes when they hold little relevance to me? It doesn't make sense. So yes, "before my time" is a very good reason for not wanting to see a certain figure made over another. Would you buy George Hackenschmidt over Magnum because he made more history? How about Ed Lewis over Barry Windham? Not going to happen because, history aside, you have a personal preference for guys like Magnum and Windham. That's nostalgic for you. It's the same for everyone else but with the superstars differentiating each time. Yes, I absolutely would buy those guys over Windham and Magnum...are you paying attention? I love tons of crap before my time which is anything pre-1986 WWF. I love 70's AWA, I love watching old clips of Gorgeous George, WCCW..the works. That stuff is relevant to the history of wrestling and by investing some time in reading and watching it became relevant to me. I didn't grow up with that stuff, I knew nothing of it, but I did grow up with the likes of Crush and Doink and I'm telling you for me there's no comparison. I'd rather have the guys you influenced generations than guys who squirted water in peoples faces and ran around with midgets. I'd rather have the great Nick Bockwinkel than the superfluous star Crush. Are you being a "before my time" elitist? I'm not ignoring any promotion or era of wrestling, I'm actually being open minded and being willing to learn. You tuned in and then tuned out because it's not "relevant" to you. Why is that? You can call me an elitist, but it just doesn't fit. I'm not a purist or biased, I love it all, but when options are on the table I will 100% choose somebody that had an impact vs a guy who didn't. That's like collecting the 1927 Yankees roster baseball cards but opting for the backup catcher over Babe Ruth and Lou Gherig.
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Post by chaz on Jul 28, 2011 15:09:03 GMT -5
Why are you trying to characterise yourself as a "wrestling fan" because you like the NWA guys? Because I like Doink and Crush I'm not a wrestling fan? That's complete bull and shows that are you coming across as elitist. Must be all those letters forming words that has led to you missing the point I made about having gone back and reviewed footage from the late 70's and through the 80's. I've watched all the guys you're harping on about. They can "wrestle", no doubt, but they are not why I watch wrestling. I got into wrestling with the New Generation, that's why I watch. Why would I want Magnum or Dory or the Briscoes when they hold little relevance to me? It doesn't make sense. So yes, "before my time" is a very good reason for not wanting to see a certain figure made over another. Would you buy George Hackenschmidt over Magnum because he made more history? How about Ed Lewis over Barry Windham? Not going to happen because, history aside, you have a personal preference for guys like Magnum and Windham. That's nostalgic for you. It's the same for everyone else but with the superstars differentiating each time. Yes, I absolutely would buy those guys over Windham and Magnum...are you paying attention? I love tons of crap before my time which is anything pre-1986 WWF. I love 70's AWA, I love watching old clips of Gorgeous George, WCCW..the works. That stuff is relevant to the history of wrestling and by investing some time in reading and watching it became relevant to me. I didn't grow up with that stuff, I knew nothing of it, but I did grow up with the likes of Crush and Doink and I'm telling you for me there's no comparison. I'd rather have the guys you influenced generations than guys who squirted water in peoples faces and ran around with midgets. I'd rather have the great Nick Bockwinkel than the superfluous star Crush. Are you being a "before my time" elitist? I'm not ignoring any promotion or era of wrestling, I'm actually being open minded and being willing to learn. You tuned in and then tuned out because it's not "relevant" to you. Why is that? You can call me an elitist, but it just doesn't fit. I'm not a purist or biased, I love it all, but when options are on the table I will 100% choose somebody that had an impact vs a guy who didn't. That's like collecting the 1927 Yankees roster baseball cards but opting for the backup catcher over Babe Ruth and Lou Gherig. And as I've said, that's fine. For others, it's the opposite. I'd rather have a great Evil Crush or Evil Doink than a Bockwinkel. Everyone has a personal preference. End of, really.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2011 15:23:32 GMT -5
Why are you trying to characterise yourself as a "wrestling fan" because you like the NWA guys? Because I like Doink and Crush I'm not a wrestling fan? That's complete bull and shows that are you coming across as elitist. Must be all those letters forming words that has led to you missing the point I made about having gone back and reviewed footage from the late 70's and through the 80's. I've watched all the guys you're harping on about. They can "wrestle", no doubt, but they are not why I watch wrestling. I got into wrestling with the New Generation, that's why I watch. Why would I want Magnum or Dory or the Briscoes when they hold little relevance to me? It doesn't make sense. So yes, "before my time" is a very good reason for not wanting to see a certain figure made over another. Would you buy George Hackenschmidt over Magnum because he made more history? How about Ed Lewis over Barry Windham? Not going to happen because, history aside, you have a personal preference for guys like Magnum and Windham. That's nostalgic for you. It's the same for everyone else but with the superstars differentiating each time. Yes, I absolutely would buy those guys over Windham and Magnum...are you paying attention? I love tons of crap before my time which is anything pre-1986 WWF. I love 70's AWA, I love watching old clips of Gorgeous George, WCCW..the works. That stuff is relevant to the history of wrestling and by investing some time in reading and watching it became relevant to me. I didn't grow up with that stuff, I knew nothing of it, but I did grow up with the likes of Crush and Doink and I'm telling you for me there's no comparison. I'd rather have the guys you influenced generations than guys who squirted water in peoples faces and ran around with midgets. I'd rather have the great Nick Bockwinkel than the superfluous star Crush. Are you being a "before my time" elitist? I'm not ignoring any promotion or era of wrestling, I'm actually being open minded and being willing to learn. You tuned in and then tuned out because it's not "relevant" to you. Why is that? You can call me an elitist, but it just doesn't fit. I'm not a purist or biased, I love it all, but when options are on the table I will 100% choose somebody that had an impact vs a guy who didn't. That's like collecting the 1927 Yankees roster baseball cards but opting for the backup catcher over Babe Ruth and Lou Gherig. lol you would spend $30 or More on anyone as long as they were old and influenced new generations?...... i dont think anyone buys it, you can quit pledging for the nwa, you arn't going to sway anyones vote, and this isn't going to Make mattel take Doink off the Vote. I Understand some people - Bandy , Pj etc Are Worried that this may be the last chance they have to own a Mattel NWA Legend that they Love, And they are Passionate about that, Thordude, you i have no comprehension of , you make no sense, you think by telling us that you look beyond your time and if we dont do the same thing then were not true wrestling fans, i dont buy it , Everyone already decided their vote and people arn't going to say "Oh i love King Kong Bundy But thor-Dousche Says im not a true wrestling fan unless i vote for magnum t.a and the brainbusters" But Guys, All this Back and Fourth wont change anything, If Doink the Clown Gets A lot of votes he will be made, Same with Magnum T.A , I Grew up and watched wrestling from 88 - 2000 mostly and Yep, Guys like T.A are Boring to me . I might buy them if they look good, but if my guys dont get the votes (fairly) then it is what it is. Crush Had a lot of great Matches, I Dont know how people can think they can define who a legend is or who isnt, Crush In my Mind will Always Be a Legend , And Crush is More Popular than Magnum T.A , More People Seen him on T.v , He reached a Wider audience through Videogames and Magazines as well. It is what it is
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