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Post by nexusagainstus on Dec 25, 2011 9:25:04 GMT -5
To anyone who's a Tebow hater, in what could be the second-to-last start of his first season as the starter, Tebow went 13-30 for 185 yards, 1 TD, and 4 INTs on the road against a 5-9 team. He lost 40-14. In what was the second-to-last start of Elway's first season as the starter, Elway went 13-34 for 143 yards, 0 TDs, and 4 INTs on the road against a 5-10 team. He lost 48-17. The rest is history. Not saying Tebow will ever be as good as Elway because I don't know what will happen, but people are so quickly wanting to write Tim out of the NFL. For anyone that was around during Elway's first season, they we're telling the man to go pursue a career in Baseball because he was so bad.
I'm stoked to see KC vs. Denver next week. The way everything went down, it's destiny that Orton and Tebow are squaring off in what could be the Broncos last chance at the Playoffs. Even if the Broncos lose, they still make playoffs if SD beats Oakland which I think they will. I'm hoping the entire Denver team lights a fire under there asses this week, and I hope we make the playoffs, and hopefully make at least a little noise during them. I'm not going to give up on my team just because of one bad loss.
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Post by Dexter Morgan on Dec 25, 2011 11:01:59 GMT -5
To anyone who's a Tebow hater, in what could be the second-to-last start of his first season as the starter, Tebow went 13-30 for 185 yards, 1 TD, and 4 INTs on the road against a 5-9 team. He lost 40-14. In what was the second-to-last start of Elway's first season as the starter, Elway went 13-34 for 143 yards, 0 TDs, and 4 INTs on the road against a 5-10 team. He lost 48-17. The rest is history. Not saying Tebow will ever be as good as Elway because I don't know what will happen, but people are so quickly wanting to write Tim out of the NFL. For anyone that was around during Elway's first season, they we're telling the man to go pursue a career in Baseball because he was so bad. I'm stoked to see KC vs. Denver next week. The way everything went down, it's destiny that Orton and Tebow are squaring off in what could be the Broncos last chance at the Playoffs. Even if the Broncos lose, they still make playoffs if SD beats Oakland which I think they will. I'm hoping the entire Denver team lights a fire under there asses this week, and I hope we make the playoffs, and hopefully make at least a little noise during them. I'm not going to give up on my team just because of one bad loss. Non one is writing Tebow out of the NFL but the guy is NOT an NFL QB right now. His delivery is questionable, his accuracy is really bad, and his decision making normally goes check WR1, if it's not there scramble around and hope that something happens.
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Post by nexusagainstus on Dec 25, 2011 11:11:43 GMT -5
Non one is writing Tebow out of the NFL but the guy is NOT an NFL QB right now. His delivery is questionable, his accuracy is really bad, and his decision making normally goes check WR1, if it's not there scramble around and hope that something happens. I wouldn't say that no one is writing him out. Many people in the nation want him gone. Hell, even certain Denver fans I've conversed with want him gone. I have no problem admitting that he isn't a good NFL quarterback right now, but my whole point is that neither was Elway.
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Post by Kliquid on Dec 25, 2011 13:54:53 GMT -5
Non one is writing Tebow out of the NFL but the guy is NOT an NFL QB right now. His delivery is questionable, his accuracy is really bad, and his decision making normally goes check WR1, if it's not there scramble around and hope that something happens. This. I wouldn't say that no one is writing him out. Many people in the nation want him gone. Hell, even certain Denver fans I've conversed with want him gone. I have no problem admitting that he isn't a good NFL quarterback right now, but my whole point is that neither was Elway. Just because most players don't start off looking amazing doesn't mean that you can just chalk it up to them being young. Keep in mind that this is Tebow's second season and he still hasn't progressed as a passer. Most players show us SOMETHING in their rookie year (or first work as a starter), even if they're still overall not very good yet. Obviously Cam Newton has shown us that he has the ability to be a high-quality passer (broke Peyton Manning's single-season rookie passing record yesterday) as well as an elite rusher from the quarterback position. Jake Locker hasn't been amazing in his short time in games, but he comes out there and he makes NFL quality throws on a regular basis. Andy Dalton has looked like he has a future in the league. Sam Bradford, Joe Flacco and Matt Ryan have looked decent, although I personally believe all three to be overrated. Tim Tebow hasn't shown us ANYTHING as a passer. This is a guy who has regularly thrown for less than 100 yards at half time in games. He won a game with TWO completions. I understand that a lot of that is because of the circumstances and the gameplan, but shouldn't that go to tell you something? The coaching staff doesn't trust this guy to throw the ball unless they are way down in games and they HAVE TO throw. Tebow hasn't made many NFL-caliber throws this season. Honestly, you can add up to about 10-15 throws all season, that he has made, that would make an NFL scout say, "Nice throw." That doesn't take into account the abominations he tosses about 50% of the time. He has been extremely inaccurate and yesterday's performance shows that while he hasn't turned the ball over much this year, that has been as much due to luck as it has been due to him being careful with the football. Saying he "just wins" is absurd and everyone should know that now after they've been blown out in three games with him as a starter. The Broncos offense simply does not move the football enough to compete against teams that can really put points on the board against them. The Broncos defense was excellent yesterday and they STILL got their asses kicked. Everyone's so quick to say Tebow "wins games," but they completely neglect that the Broncos defense has been playing exceptionally well since he took over as the starter. Yesterday they allowed 13 total points on defense... And 3 of those came because Tebow tossed an awful interception that gave the Bills the ball at around the Broncos' 25 yard line. Yes, the special teams unit allowed a touchdown, but 20 points still should not be an unattainable number for an NFL team. I don't mean to sound like a "hater" because I truly hope Tebow can progress as a passer. But if we're being at all realistic right now, he's not there yet... He's not even close. Like I've said many times, it's really close on who I'd rather have as a QB between Mark Sanchez and Tim Tebow if I'm an NFL team. The thing is, I'm probably picing Mark Sanchez because I can sell to my fans that we're replacing him easier than I can Tim Tebow. For some reason, people just want to completely disregard reality when it comes to Tebow. The dude is not good at anything but running the ball right now and that's the truth.
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Post by Jamal on Dec 25, 2011 14:01:59 GMT -5
Not that I love him either, but exactly who overrates Joe Flacco?
Hes one of the most criticized QB's in the league. He gets eaten alive here in Baltimore on a daily basis, as well as ESPN and NFLN.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Dec 25, 2011 14:02:46 GMT -5
Brandon Jacobs is a clown, but Rex Ryan is just a giant tool. Maybe if the Jets didnt talk so much and act like they earned poop before even stepping on the field, they would have had a better year. Arrogance and complacency and suckiness killed this team this year. The entire team regressed and kept talking, they lost, they kept talking etc. Has Revis always grabbed and cheated so much? Its not like the Jets are screwed and have no future, but they are turning into a joke with all their bullpoop and then poopting the bed on the field. I mean this is great for me, Tom Brady can continue to dominate when he gets older if the Jets keep running their mouths The Jets are too many pieces away....evidenced this year. Issues all over the offensive lines. Defensive line needs help. LBs are getting old and the safetys arent good enough. I love Leonard....but his story is the same every year....injured at the end of the regular season. LT is talking retirement and Greene I am starting to have some doubts about being a #1, but it could just be the O line. Then you have Sanchez, who since his first game people have dismissed which is a total joke, who has to take a huge leap this coming year. I hope they keep the core WRs of Holmes, Plax and Keller there. Otherwise, this team will need to be blown up. Last year was the year and it didnt happen.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Dec 25, 2011 14:03:06 GMT -5
To anyone who's a Tebow hater, in what could be the second-to-last start of his first season as the starter, Tebow went 13-30 for 185 yards, 1 TD, and 4 INTs on the road against a 5-9 team. He lost 40-14. In what was the second-to-last start of Elway's first season as the starter, Elway went 13-34 for 143 yards, 0 TDs, and 4 INTs on the road against a 5-10 team. He lost 48-17. The rest is history. Not saying Tebow will ever be as good as Elway because I don't know what will happen, but people are so quickly wanting to write Tim out of the NFL. For anyone that was around during Elway's first season, they we're telling the man to go pursue a career in Baseball because he was so bad. I'm stoked to see KC vs. Denver next week. The way everything went down, it's destiny that Orton and Tebow are squaring off in what could be the Broncos last chance at the Playoffs. Even if the Broncos lose, they still make playoffs if SD beats Oakland which I think they will. I'm hoping the entire Denver team lights a fire under there asses this week, and I hope we make the playoffs, and hopefully make at least a little noise during them. I'm not going to give up on my team just because of one bad loss. QFT
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Dec 25, 2011 14:11:07 GMT -5
If Ron Paul backed Tebow, Kliquid's head would explode
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Post by nexusagainstus on Dec 25, 2011 14:23:23 GMT -5
Kliquid, I disagree with you on Tebow not progressing as a passer. His passing stats have improved almost every single game. There's been so many passes I've seen thrown that should have been caught. Some we're placed perfectly in the receivers hands and they we're still dropped.
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Post by bad guy™ on Dec 25, 2011 14:25:01 GMT -5
Honestly, I think Tebow has a serious case of Jekyll/Hyde. When I watch him play, he generally has two extremes. Some of the throws he makes, I wonder how he got drafted, and some of the others, I wonder why he can't do that all of the time. The kid has arm strength, and his accuracy is very spotty...but at least he has potential. He needs to learn to sit in the pocket...he needs to learn to get comfortable throwing the ball more, and he needs to learn to look for his second and third options before he takes off. I mean...if he could get a serious boost in his accuracy somehow and work on his Quarterback vision skills, he could survive in this league for sure. Like I said...he's made some throws that have left me thinking "Jeez...this kid could be pretty good." He just needs to work on making those throws more consistently.
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Post by nexusagainstus on Dec 25, 2011 14:27:55 GMT -5
Elway is going to work with him in the off-season, and I don't think he would give up his precious golf time if he didn't see something in him. If Tebow doesn't progress by next season, then Denver needs to invest in a veteran QB and move Tebow into a running position. We also need a better offensive line.
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Post by Greg Weinstein on Dec 25, 2011 21:31:46 GMT -5
It's gonna be a HUGE challenge for Green Bay to win the NFC with that run defense. Khalil Bell? Armando Allen? LOL.
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Post by Cult Member BriGuy on Dec 25, 2011 22:06:27 GMT -5
Nice play after the catch to set up 1st and goal from the 1 for the Bears. I'm nervous we're only going to get 3 points out of this.
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Post by Kliquid on Dec 25, 2011 23:18:42 GMT -5
Not that I love him either, but exactly who overrates Joe Flacco? Hes one of the most criticized QB's in the league. He gets eaten alive here in Baltimore on a daily basis, as well as ESPN and NFLN. When you're outside of Baltimore, you really don't hear the criticism much. You don't hear people noting that he has been one of the big reasons the Ravens haven't won a Super Bowl lately. Honestly, I think Tebow has a serious case of Jekyll/Hyde. When I watch him play, he generally has two extremes. Some of the throws he makes, I wonder how he got drafted, and some of the others, I wonder why he can't do that all of the time. The kid has arm strength, and his accuracy is very spotty...but at least he has potential. He needs to learn to sit in the pocket...he needs to learn to get comfortable throwing the ball more, and he needs to learn to look for his second and third options before he takes off. I mean...if he could get a serious boost in his accuracy somehow and work on his Quarterback vision skills, he could survive in this league for sure. Like I said...he's made some throws that have left me thinking "Jeez...this kid could be pretty good." He just needs to work on making those throws more consistently. Every player who is drafted as an NFL quarterback is CAPABLE of making high-quality throws. It's the consistency that separates Peyton Manning from Caleb Hanie. They're both capable of making amazing throws, but Manning has made a career out of doing it every week, while Hanie does... Well... What he's doing for the Bears. You need consistency to be an NFL quarterback for the long haul, and that's the biggest thing Tebow lacks. There are other guys who are inconsistent, but I can't ever remember seeing someone make SUCH BAD throws on such a regular basis. What's crazy is that his decision-making isn't that bad. Sure, he has made some questionable decisions and thrown a few bad picks, but that happens to everyone. Typically guys who don't succeed in the NFL are the ones who make the mental mistakes, not the physical ones. Tebow's downfalls are opposite of that, which is why I think he has a chance of succeeding still. He's just not there yet. If Ron Paul backed Tebow, Kliquid's head would explode Ron would be like, "WHO IS TOM TIBBOW?" Kliquid, I disagree with you on Tebow not progressing as a passer. His passing stats have improved almost every single game. There's been so many passes I've seen thrown that should have been caught. Some we're placed perfectly in the receivers hands and they we're still dropped. There are a lot of reasons that Tebow's passes don't get caught. One big thing that he doesn't do is that he doesn't put the ball on the money. He often puts it in a catchable area, but it's not an excellent throw that the receiver can do much after the catch with. Those type of passes have a tendency to not get caught. Also, him being left-handed doesn't help, nor does his delivery. The ball doesn't spiral out of his hand like it does with other quarterbacks. It's a nuance that many will disregard, but football is a game of timing and if it doesn't arrive exactly where it should, when it should, it can throw off that timing. Certainly Tebow's stats could be better if some of the drops that his receivers have made were actually catches, but I think people are too quick to just say, "WELL THAT'S THE RECEIVER'S FAULT." It's no surprise that the same group of receivers caught the ball more effectively from Kyle Orton. His more traditional delivery and timing make for a more seamless passing game. Also, his stats haven't improved every game... Not at all. In fact, here are his QB ratings from the games he has started... 91.7, 56.8, 98.1 102.6, 61.2, 95.4, 149.3, 68.3, 80.5, 35.4 Where is the consistency? Where is the gradual improvement? Just because he is passing for more slightly yardage now than he was when he first started does not making him a significantly better passer. In fact, he has a total of two touchdown passes in his past three games combined... And that includes a game against the NFL's worst pass defense.
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Post by Alpha Q Up on Dec 26, 2011 3:49:23 GMT -5
Amen..
Now let's move onto Dallas and do this..
Good night sweet prince.
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Post by Greg Weinstein on Dec 26, 2011 3:55:55 GMT -5
Every player who is drafted as an NFL quarterback is CAPABLE of making high-quality throws.
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Post by Kliquid on Dec 26, 2011 6:17:32 GMT -5
Russel had better physical throwing skills than Tebow.
Decision-making, no. But physical ability to throw the ball, yes.
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Post by nexusagainstus on Dec 26, 2011 8:30:17 GMT -5
Certainly Tebow's stats could be better if some of the drops that his receivers have made were actually catches, but I think people are too quick to just say, "WELL THAT'S THE RECEIVER'S FAULT." It's no surprise that the same group of receivers caught the ball more effectively from Kyle Orton. His more traditional delivery and timing make for a more seamless passing game. I'll agree you with 100% that Kyle Orton was a better passer than Tim Tebow currently is. Orton's bad attitude though was not good for the team, and Tebow has somehow been able to motivate the team as a whole, especially the defense as previously said, to play better than when Orton was QB. Consistency is key, just like you said, and I'm hoping during the off season, with some work from Elway, that Tebow's consitency will improve. Only time will tell, but I've always been Broncos fan and I'm a huge Florida fan, so I won't give up on my team, or my boy just yet.
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Post by Alpha Q Up on Dec 26, 2011 9:27:42 GMT -5
60 yard bomb on his knees, I'll take him over Megatron!
-Al Davis.
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Post by T R W on Dec 26, 2011 9:51:08 GMT -5
Well, at least going into tonight, the Falcons have already clinched a playoff spot, even though they did it without beating a single good team. I think they lose tonight, and win their last game.
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