dante123
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Post by dante123 on Sept 15, 2011 20:08:25 GMT -5
The UFC has already evolved beyond the WWE, it does better buy rates and it's coming to FOX next year! Plus it has a live format for the Ultimate Fighter. Oh plus there putting a FREE Heavyweight Title fight on between Cain and Santos to kick it off with FOX, that's ing HUGE! Jakks UFC is also outselling Mattel WWE. WWE may be geared towards Little Jimmys now, but Big Jimmys who used to watch WWE are now watching and spending money on UFC and thats a fact. ufc figures are barely in stores now so how are they outselling mattel figures
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2011 20:18:41 GMT -5
I like Triple H, but that's a strange statement for him to make.
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Post by @PaulGriffin on Sept 15, 2011 20:26:27 GMT -5
The UFC has already evolved beyond the WWE, it does better buy rates and it's coming to FOX next year! Plus it has a live format for the Ultimate Fighter. Oh plus there putting a FREE Heavyweight Title fight on between Cain and Santos to kick it off with FOX, that's ing HUGE! Jakks UFC is also outselling Mattel WWE. WWE may be geared towards Little Jimmys now, but Big Jimmys who used to watch WWE are now watching and spending money on UFC and thats a fact. Source?
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Post by threehgame on Sept 15, 2011 20:47:13 GMT -5
I agree with Triple H. The bottom line is this is why WWE is sports entertainment because most of the time fights need to be staged in order to make them entertaining. I'm sorry, but for my time and my money, most UFC fights are NOT entertainment. It's a lot of rolling around on the ground and guys laying on top of each other until somebody runs out of gas and gets a submission on. Every once in a while you get a really awesome KO, but it's too far and in between and the matches are either too quick or long and drawn out. For me its the opposite. The WWE has a bunch of guys with cardboard personalities pretending to fight and half the time it looks overly staged and boring. All the UFC needs to do is get the MMA fanbase to accept fighters based on personality and fighting style over their win loss record. Everything else seems to be going well for the UFC, sold out shows, Basic and cable TV contracts, fighters becoming true sports icons. I doubt Triple H meant what he said the way people are taking it, however Punk has a point. Saying the WWE is fine right now is ignoring the issue of star power, TV ratings and the lack of people showing up for Smackdown.
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Post by James Hetfield on Sept 15, 2011 20:50:11 GMT -5
WWE has the same 4 guys in the main event picture. How should WWE not evolve? lol
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Post by Ian from 616Entertainment. on Sept 15, 2011 21:00:08 GMT -5
That amount of ignorance in this thread is hard to read.
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Post by facemeat on Sept 15, 2011 21:20:28 GMT -5
Jakks UFC is also outselling Mattel WWE. WWE may be geared towards Little Jimmys now, but Big Jimmys who used to watch WWE are now watching and spending money on UFC and thats a fact. Source? There can't be a source for a false statement...the truth of the matter is that Mattel's WWE figures outsell all action figures...and I DO have a source for that: www.variety.com/article/VR1118041177
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Post by punksnotdead on Sept 15, 2011 21:42:57 GMT -5
I think WWE and UFC share a number of the same flaws, but they are two entirely different animals and as someone who enjoys UFC and loves WWE I despise them being compared.
I think guys like Tito and Rampage are proof that if UFC fighters went into character more often, similar to a WWE Superstar, that the fans would find it easier to love or hate them and ultimately care about them one way or the other. I think Koscheck did that against GSP and people wanted to see them lock up. It's all about marketing and WWE has done that really well for a really long time imo.
I also think longevity is a big issue with the UFC. There are really not a ton of guys that stick around long enough for fans to get behind, and even if they do have longevity their time at the top is usually limited. I think Forrest Griffin, who is an overwhelming fan favorite, is a good example of the fans really getting behind a guy but then sort of losing interest over time because he won't ever be champion again. Now, I personally am still a big fan of Forrest but can you imagine what he could of done for UFC had he had an Anderson Silva type run.
I think that UFC also needs to find a way to make fans relate to the Brazilian fighters. Jose Aldo is easily one of the top 3 fighters in the UFC imo, but I feel like he is still a virtual unknown because unless you followed him in WEC so you really don't know how exciting the guy is to watch. Alternatively, Urijah Faber, who is my favorite fighter, is the ultimate self marketer and has really built his brand and only adds to that with his ability.
I just think UFC really does have a long way to go. It's definitely not where it was in 2008, and I think they need to evolve from that initial run.
Now, WWE has plenty of their own problems and I very much agree with Punk who, in character, says Triple H, Vince and everyone else has no idea what a superstar should be in 2011. I would say Triple H, more than most it would seem, gets what Punk is saying with his signings of Kharma, Sin Cara, and seemingly the KOW. WWE listened to the fans when we said we want CM Punk to be our guy, they listened to us when we said we wanted a New Generation carried by Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels, when we said we wanted Attitude like D-Generation X and Stone Cold Steve Austin, and they listened to us when wanted to see amazing ring workers like Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit on top of the universe at WMXX. I think WWE has proven they will evolve and I can't say I honestly disagree with Triple H, at all.
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Post by bigbadbootiedaddy on Sept 15, 2011 22:24:28 GMT -5
I agree with Triple H. The bottom line is this is why WWE is sports entertainment because most of the time fights need to be staged in order to make them entertaining. I'm sorry, but for my time and my money, most UFC fights are NOT entertainment. It's a lot of rolling around on the ground and guys laying on top of each other until somebody runs out of gas and gets a submission on.Every once in a while you get a really awesome KO, but it's too far and in between and the matches are either too quick or long and drawn out. Thanks for proving your ignorance of the sport... In related news, Jason "Mayhem" Miller is on Late Night with Jimmy Fallon tonight and on Monday, "Rampage" & "Bones" will be on Jimmy Kimmel Live. But don't watch because, you know, they won't be promoting anything and I doubt you see the personality of a sports entertainer.
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Post by Mike Bockwinkel on Sept 15, 2011 22:50:34 GMT -5
That amount of ignorance in this thread is hard to read. Top to bottom, left to right... a group of words together is called a sentence. Take Tylenol for any headaches... Midol for any cramps.
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Post by @PaulGriffin on Sept 15, 2011 23:48:17 GMT -5
That amount of ignorance in this thread is hard to read. Top to bottom, left to right... a group of words together is called a sentence. Take Tylenol for any headaches... Midol for any cramps. HEAD ON
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Post by Flava Dave on Sept 15, 2011 23:59:49 GMT -5
He's right, UFC won't be legit until GSP shows up to a fight dressed as Conan the Barbarian.
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Sept 16, 2011 0:19:34 GMT -5
The UFC has already evolved beyond the WWE, it does better buy rates and it's coming to FOX next year! Plus it has a live format for the Ultimate Fighter. Oh plus there putting a FREE Heavyweight Title fight on between Cain and Santos to kick it off with FOX, that's ing HUGE! Jakks UFC is also outselling Mattel WWE. WWE may be geared towards Little Jimmys now, but Big Jimmys who used to watch WWE are now watching and spending money on UFC and thats a fact. How many times are you gonna say this? And still have no proof to back that up. I can't link them, but I can remember at least 5 threads where I've seen this reply, or very similarly worded replies, from you. Yet you offer nothing to back it up. Oh your claim to work as some sort of accountant for Jakks. I'm not bashing you and saying you don't or calling you a liar, it's just easy to say "Jakks UFC is outselling Mattel WWE. That's a fact". But it's another thing to say that, and then have the numbers to prove it. I seriously doubt that Jakks ANYTHING is outselling Mattel WWE. Everywhere I go [and oh yeah, bitches always know ] but everywhere I go, I see WAY MORE UFC anything than I do Mattel WWE anything. Maybe in certain markets, Jakks UFC is selling better, but I can guarantee you not every single market that there is, is Jakks outselling Mattel. That - even without numbers - I can say is fact.
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Post by 1992 on Sept 16, 2011 0:31:19 GMT -5
The UFC has already evolved beyond the WWE, it does better buy rates and it's coming to FOX next year! Plus it has a live format for the Ultimate Fighter. Oh plus there putting a FREE Heavyweight Title fight on between Cain and Santos to kick it off with FOX, that's ing HUGE! Jakks UFC is also outselling Mattel WWE. WWE may be geared towards Little Jimmys now, but Big Jimmys who used to watch WWE are now watching and spending money on UFC and thats a fact. Jakks UFC Series 8, which is actually in retail, is outselling Mattel WWE Legends 6. Fail. Jakks UFC is indeed doing very well, even outselling Mattel WWE. Jakks UFC is outselling Mattel WWE Walk into any TRU and look at how much shelf space they give Jakks UFC. They usually have every figure from every wave available at under $10.00. Meanwhile, Mattel is known for their distribution woes and their figures are more expensive than ever. Jakks UFC 2010 N American SalesMonth-# of Figures Sold Jan-300,000 Feb-515,000 Mar-770,000 Apr-500,000 May-1,570,000 Jun-520,000 Jul-1,100,000 Aug-1,135,000 Sep-295,000 Oct-1,000,000 Nov-500,000 Dec-785,000 I am a CPA and I do accounting for Jakks Pacific ROFLMFAOI just adore the logic. "Every series of UFC figures are available in every store at discounted prices, but you can't find Mattel's anywhere. Clearly Jakks is selling more." Troll logic at it's finest worst.
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Post by James Hetfield on Sept 16, 2011 0:43:45 GMT -5
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Post by King Silva on Sept 16, 2011 0:57:59 GMT -5
I do agree that some fights are boring or too short but lol at him saying that WWE ALWAYS give [the fans] a good show and we never give the fans a crap game. I've seen some PPVs that were pretty crappy besides 1 match so that is a lie imo. And I know it would never happen but triple threat/fatal 4 way fights would be kinda cool to see. Last one standing is the winner.
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Post by 1992 on Sept 16, 2011 2:16:43 GMT -5
GSP vs. Carlos Condit vs. Nick Diaz vs. BJ Penn. Four Corners of Death Match for the Welterweight Championship with Matt Hughes as the special guest referee and Jake Shields and Nate Diaz as the special guest enforcers. Now we've got a ing PPV.
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Post by steel on Sept 16, 2011 7:31:56 GMT -5
I don't think HHH is in any position to provide expert advice to the UFC.
There is a huge chasm of differences between WWE and UFC as one is choreaographed entertainment while the other is entertainment in the form of a competitive sport. Building hype for a fight is one thing, but pushing MMA fighters to basically cut promos is not going to work .
Calling MMA fights boring because they are too fast or that the fighters lay on each other only proves that HHH has no understanding as to what MMA is about. He is a great Wrestler and should stick to hwat he knows best.
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Post by wabarrett on Sept 16, 2011 7:43:45 GMT -5
1. I hate that comparisons are being made between WWE and UFC all the time when they're nothing alike. WWE doesn't need to evolve to compete with UFC because they are totally different animals.
2. CM Punk (rather, Phil Brooks) gets on my nerves. Everytime you read something he's said, it's some negative s*** about the company he works for. Why doesn't he just leave?
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Post by gawd6sic6™ on Sept 16, 2011 10:27:21 GMT -5
1. I hate that comparisons are being made between WWE and UFC all the time when they're nothing alike. WWE doesn't need to evolve to compete with UFC because they are totally different animals. 2. CM Punk (rather, Phil Brooks) gets on my nerves. Everytime you read something he's said, it's some negative s*** about the company he works for. Why doesn't he just leave? because its part of his character? he uses it as a way to start change? its what the company and he wants to do , and it seems to be working...
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