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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2011 17:06:23 GMT -5
i wish mattel would bring back legends and start selling top stars in the damn line to get some attention, then just stick with the one line for legends. like in a year we had legends, legends 2 packs, entrance greats, defining moments.... any others?
I say one damn legends line and back it up, hbk, undertaker, bret, mankind, diesel etc putting in 1 or 2 midcarders each series.
mattel has put out how many damn series now, like its all good cuz i love legends figures, but one consistent line with household name legends to get the brand off the ground ya? If legends and DM's couldnt do well enough to hold their own then i have no faith in mattels flashbacks and online series because of one reason, Mattels Design Team Make Horrible Business Choices. We'll Probably Get Bruno Sammartino and Bob backlund in the next flashback series and the list on mattycollector is decent but not outstanding or like 'wow i'd pay up to $50 for any of those characters.... my faith in mattel is long gone..... booo!
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Oct 13, 2011 17:24:41 GMT -5
I feel dumber for having read this thread. A slap in the face from Mattel? Seriously? Do you think they're discontinuing DMs just because they want to? I'm sure if it were financially beneficial for them to continue them, they would. Mattel has done all they can to get legend figures out there. They tried the Legends line, they tried EG, they tried DM, they're trying flashbacks. They do NOT hate the collector market. They've done everything they can to please you. They even come to these forums and listen to ridiculous requests like Elite Nunzio figures. Be happy that you got the great figures they put out while they were able to. The problem was in the price, obviously. I guess Mattel could have cheaped out in order to sell more figures, but then there would be a mass uproar about that too. Like when they took the stands away. They're doing what they're doing in order to preserve the quality of the figures. Would you rather have good figures that you have to buy online, or bad figures that can buy in stores? Mattel is a business. They can't just magically produce these figures. Some day you will all have to step into the real world and learn how money works. Excellent post. Thank you. It's always heartwarming to see someone else who gets it. A lot of people in this thread seem to think that Mattel cancel the unsuccessful lines because of some conspiracy against collectors.
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Post by AlexWestCollects on Oct 13, 2011 17:25:48 GMT -5
I feel dumber for having read this thread. A slap in the face from Mattel? Seriously? Do you think they're discontinuing DMs just because they want to? I'm sure if it were financially beneficial for them to continue them, they would. Mattel has done all they can to get legend figures out there. They tried the Legends line, they tried EG, they tried DM, they're trying flashbacks. They do NOT hate the collector market. They've done everything they can to please you. They even come to these forums and listen to ridiculous requests like Elite Nunzio figures. Be happy that you got the great figures they put out while they were able to. The problem was in the price, obviously. I guess Mattel could have cheaped out in order to sell more figures, but then there would be a mass uproar about that too. Like when they took the stands away. They're doing what they're doing in order to preserve the quality of the figures. Would you rather have good figures that you have to buy online, or bad figures that can buy in stores? Mattel is a business. They can't just magically produce these figures. Some day you will all have to step into the real world and learn how money works. Excellent post. Thank you. It's always heartwarming to see someone else who gets it. A lot of people in this thread seem to think that Mattel cancel the unsuccessful lines because of some conspiracy against collectors. Can you say Fanboy
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Post by peepulation469 on Oct 13, 2011 17:29:46 GMT -5
They could make less of each figure in the line. Like limit the line to 10,000 pieces or maybe less. Let the people that will pay that price pay it. Don't expect it to sell as well as Basics, because it never will.
I don't think they are "slapping us in the face" or "hate collectors", but they're not doing as good of a job that you would expect from Mattel. This is a huge company. I guess this may be how they do so well though. They know what they're doing. I think they could just keep these lines alive by producing less.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Oct 13, 2011 17:31:36 GMT -5
Why do you think the Defining Moments line is ending? Because of a Mattel conspiracy against collectors?
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Oct 13, 2011 17:38:59 GMT -5
They could make less of each figure in the line. Like limit the line to 10,000 pieces or maybe less. Let the people that will pay that price pay it. Don't expect it to sell as well as Basics, because it never will. I don't think they are "slapping us in the face" or "hate collectors", but they're not doing as good of a job that you would expect from Mattel. This is a huge company. I guess this may be how they do so well though. They know what they're doing. I think they could just keep these lines alive by producing less. Bingo. Mattel tried to do collectors a favour by putting collectors items out at mass market, and it's blown up in their face several times over (Legends two-packs, Legends singles, Entrance Greats, Defining Moments). As I think they've realised now, they seriously need to manage their expectations for the old-school WWE stuff. Even the SDCC Undertaker didn't sell well enough for them to do a SDCC exclusive figure for purchase this year. And yet I still get the feeling that someone in the company is going "How about if we add a music stand to the Defining Moments?" And next year we'll get those figures that cost $40 and just get left to rot on shelves everywhere again before turning up at discount stores for $6 and losing Mattel money. I'm kidding, of course.
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Post by AlexWestCollects on Oct 13, 2011 17:39:30 GMT -5
Why do you think the Defining Moments line is ending? Because of a Mattel conspiracy against collectors? Not at all but you can't keep patting them on the back. They obviously haven't done a good job with their business plan and research. You can't defend them and say increase in prices is what allows them to keep dumping lines. I feel its more so their strategy and poor business choices.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Oct 13, 2011 17:44:06 GMT -5
Not at all but you can't keep patting them on the back. They obviously haven't done a good job with their business plan and research. You can't defend them and say increase in prices is what allows them to keep dumping lines. I feel its more so their strategy and poor business choices. Not patting them on the back at all, other than for admitting their mistakes with the Defining Moments line and putting a stop to it. Putting these things out at mass market in the first place was a dumb move. Same as the LOD in black, Slaughter in white and blue, etc in the Legends line. Mattel has tried to cater too much to an audience that is too small to sustain their products at retail, and alienated everyone else. The Defining Moments should've been Internet exclusives, or at the very least, store exclusives from the beginning. People who want them would hunt for them, and nobody other than hardcore collectors is going to pay $30 for a wrestling figure anyway.
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Post by AlexWestCollects on Oct 13, 2011 17:45:13 GMT -5
Not at all but you can't keep patting them on the back. They obviously haven't done a good job with their business plan and research. You can't defend them and say increase in prices is what allows them to keep dumping lines. I feel its more so their strategy and poor business choices. Not patting them on the back at all, other than for admitting their mistakes with the Defining Moments line and putting a stop to it. Putting these things out at mass market in the first place was a dumb move. Same as the LOD in black, Slaughter in white and blue, etc in the Legends line. Mattel has tried to cater too much to an audience that is too small to sustain their products at retail, and alienated everyone else. The Defining Moments should've been Internet exclusives, or at the very least, store exclusives from the beginning. People who want them would hunt for them, and nobody other than hardcore collectors is going to pay $30 for a wrestling figure anyway. That I can agree with. Mattel should have done their homework and made some better choices.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2011 17:57:55 GMT -5
why are people arguing about this? the way ive seen it is people are pissed that lines keep being cancelled due to them not being successful because of poor decisions.
They arn't pissed because an unsuccessful line is being swamped, thats only the best option business wise, people are pissed because mattel keep making piss poor choices resulting in lack of success.
Like they've had an andre figure for over a year and we still havent seen the figure in our hands , yet we got brian pillman, george steele, paul orndorff, kevin von erich?? Andre the giant was a household name and prob still is. Brian pillman i never even knew and i was a huge wrestling fan. There hasnt been an Elite HBK Legend figure, or an elite triple H legend figure..... mattel make the best figures but sometimes i feel like they just pull names out of a hat.......
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Post by ozzytorezwrestling on Oct 13, 2011 18:32:47 GMT -5
No DM CM Punk?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! FML.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2011 18:35:54 GMT -5
No DM CM Punk?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! FML. Seriously??? The DM line is ending and that's ALL you're concerned about? British Bulldog from '92 McMahon when he won the Rumble There are plenty of other true Legends who deserve a DM figure before he does. Don't get me wrong, he's great, but I think he hasn't really had a "Defining Moment" yet.
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Post by Micro on Oct 13, 2011 18:37:24 GMT -5
It doesn't really surprise me and I'm not even upset at Mattel about this, either. People voted with their wallets, so it seems that Legends and DM's don't really sell at retail they way we'd like them to anymore. As a collector, I'd love to see a fully expanded Legends line with all my favorite wrestlers from the 1980's-2000's but I'm in a tiny minority. I think a lot of us collectors don't want to admit that our demographic is greatly overshadowed by average consumers who are buying wrestling toys for their kids. I often wonder who came up with these prices. For $25 we should be getting Eddie Guerrero with his lowrider or Del Rio with a car that they could fit in. With the way the economy is going the prices should be lower than Jakks since people have less money to spend. Hell, we can't even get 1:32-scaled Human Alliance Transformers for $25. The average price for just a 1:10 car that's the right size for WWE figures is $55, at least! I think that the post above is a good indication of the current situation, though. Money is really tight at the moment and it just feels like we would be better suited to go back to the $5.99 prices of the KB-Toy days. Sadly, that's just not possible anymore. The cost to make and buy things isn't what it used to be...Everything went up in price and it never goes back down. That's natural and inevitable but this time, a lot of people aren't making enough money to keep up with it, like usual. How many good figures have we seen get turned down here, simply because they were not "worth the $x.yy price"? We tend to point and roll our eyes at Legends Snuka and Slaughter but I'm looking at figures like DM Macho Man, Ultimate Warrior, and The Rock. If this was a healthy line, they would've flown off the shelves. Even the best of the best, Bret Hart, may just sit there in stores once DM5 hits retail at nearly $30. So why didn't Mattel make less quantities and sell them as online exclusives? I don't think it's as simple as that. If the mass produced retail price is $25+, wouldn't the cost of making it a limited exclusive only make the price go up? It's my understanding, from what Bill told us months ago, that the factories will still charge the base setup costs to make 20,000(?) units even if you only request as small run of, say, 5000. This is why online exclusives are so expensive. Personally, I was starting to wonder how many figures could even get the DM treatment anymore. Maybe a classic HBK and Undertaker, with elaborate outfits, but I feel that most classic wrestlers in their memorable moments wore simple attires. If the upcoming exclusive Macho King can be made in the Legends format, then do we really need the DM style that much? Give me classic HBK, Hunter Hearst Helmsley, Chris Jericho, Big John Studd, Yokozuna, Big Bossman, Razor Ramon, Diesel, etc. as Flashbacks and I'll be happy...While saving nearly $10 per figure! Am I a fanboy for being so nonchalant towards Mattel at the demise of the DM line? Of course, I'm a fan of Mattel WWE figures...It's the only thing I collect these days and I want them to do well. I'm not saying it doesn't suck that Legends and DM's failed at retail, though. I just feel that there are bigger issues involved that even barefoot Snuka, camo Sarge, Andre, and classic HBK couldn't have resolved.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2011 18:48:12 GMT -5
well put micro, you know all in all, if we get earthquake, bossman, razor, big john , hbk , undertaker, etc in flashbacks then ill be good, im just worried they'll make bad choices for their flashbacks and end up cancelling it as well, and i already think legends online wont last the whole year, not if people are already complaining about the choices and the prices. If Flashbacks get Cancelled then my collecting days are sadly over
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Post by MattelDesignTeam on Oct 13, 2011 18:48:40 GMT -5
To continue the line a the same level of quality we would have to produce and sell through a certain number of each figure produced.
This did not happen, and so as a business we need to walk away from this line for 2013.
As the designer that worked on this line, and could not believe the good fortune that I got to design figures of Macho Man and Ultimate Warrior from my favorite match of theirs ever, Bret Hart from the awesome 1997 run, and Stone Cold from the beer bash on Raw I am probably more upset than all of you that the line is done.
This is a business, and the market for wrestling action figures that appeal to an adult collector only is small and only getting smaller. A reality I do not like but one I am forced to accept as I do my job.
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Post by ravishingmx on Oct 13, 2011 18:51:57 GMT -5
First EG, Now DM?? WTF!!!!
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Post by NotoriusVIG on Oct 13, 2011 18:55:03 GMT -5
They're way overpriced. They can do the same level of quality for a cheaper $15 pricepoint, IMO.
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Post by Glorydaysofwrestling on Oct 13, 2011 19:00:21 GMT -5
Seems like everytime we get news from Mattel its bad news. Legends and Defining moments were my favorite lines. Glad I never sold my Jakks collection. Mattel really is dropping the ball on the WWE line.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2011 19:02:40 GMT -5
Thanks for the update Mattel.
I am okay with the DM line ending as long as it keeps the Elites, Basics and Legends alive.
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Post by KrimV on Oct 13, 2011 19:04:23 GMT -5
Bingo. Mattel tried to do collectors a favour by putting collectors items out at mass market, and it's blown up in their face several times over ( Legends two-packs, Legends singles, Entrance Greats, Defining Moments). As I think they've realised now, they seriously need to manage their expectations for the old-school WWE stuff. Even the SDCC Undertaker didn't sell well enough for them to do a SDCC exclusive figure for purchase this year. It probably didn't help that many of those single Legends and two-packs were of guys that weren't very interesting. They didn't have Bret Hart, HBK, HHH, Undertaker, Kane, all guys that would've fit the Legends line. Poor attire choices and misguided character selections doomed that. I've seen gas price mentioned on here as equivalent to the price of online shipping. I don't know about many of you, but I don't burn $8 of gas going around to my local stores. If shipping was cheaper online, fine. But $7 shipping is the reason why I refuse to buy from RSC or any online store unless there's a really good sale going on. I suspect that DM figures will become integrated as the Elite Flashbacks, but they will of course not be as accessoried as before. And like someone else mentioned in here, with Elite prices constantly rising, we'll be paying the same DM price for Elites soon anyway.
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