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Post by Adam on Oct 20, 2011 10:13:33 GMT -5
Neither Perry nor Romney would have the financial backing, without a Republican nod, to continue the race outside of the ticket; so I think that's rather irrelevant. Romney wouldn't have the financial backing? That's news to me.
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Post by slappy on Oct 20, 2011 10:15:17 GMT -5
Neither Perry nor Romney would have the financial backing, without a Republican nod, to continue the race outside of the ticket; so I think that's rather irrelevant. Romney wouldn't have the financial backing? That's news to me. He's spending a lot of money putting another story on his mansion, he may not be able to afford it.
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Post by Kliquid on Oct 20, 2011 10:23:51 GMT -5
Neither Perry nor Romney would have the financial backing, without a Republican nod, to continue the race outside of the ticket; so I think that's rather irrelevant. Romney wouldn't have the financial backing? That's news to me. If he's going to run on his own money alone, then he might. But I have a tough time believing he'd do that given that he'd have zero chance of winning the election if he doesn't with the Republican nomination.
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Post by Kliquid on Oct 20, 2011 10:35:32 GMT -5
Anyone who runs and has an R behind their name is going to take votes from Obama. The problem with Paul is that if he is nominated a good majority of the Republican base will simply stay home on election day. Either that or he splits the party and someone like Romney or Perry runs as a third party with a lot of support and Obama wins by default. I think you're giving way too much credit to traditional Republican voters. I mean, think about how many people were pro-Hilary and anti-Obama in the last election... Then what happened? All of the Hilary people voted for Obama. Because they follow in drones regardless. And I would disagree that the other Republican nominees could realistically take votes from Obama. A VERY small number of voters, maybe, but not ANYTHING like what Ron Paul would take from Obama. People voted for Obama because they viewed him as being for "change." As we all know now, he's simply for perpetuating the status quo... So where do these angry people look now? Toward Dr. Paul, who is actually proven to be for REAL CHANGE. It's not just that general concept, either... I personally met hundreds of people at the Minnesota State Fair who voted for Obama in '08 and have no pledged that they would vote for Ron Paul - and only for Ron Paul - in 2012... This is not some minute population of people, either. This is a lot of the 18-25 (and now up to 30 because we're 4 years later) crowd who were a big part of Obama being elected in '08. Things are a'changin'. Like I've said, Hulk, I agree with you that Dr. Paul still is a major underdog in the race, but I don't believe it has much to do with his ideas. I think it has to do with the fact that his ideas aren't being publicized like the other politicians' are. The message of freedom is one that MOST people like. They just need to be exposed to it. That said, if you think Ron Paul has NO CHANCE of winning the nomination, I would like to place a wager with you. You put $10,000 down TODAY on Ron Paul NOT winning the nomination, and I will put $1 down on him winning the nomination. If he has zero chance, this should be a no brainer for you.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Oct 20, 2011 10:51:54 GMT -5
If I had $10k to lose I'd gladly do it. It wouldn't be wise to stake a good portion of my savings on any bet regardless of what it was. One ginormous bus accident wiping out all the other candidates and I'm screwed.
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Post by Kliquid on Oct 20, 2011 10:57:31 GMT -5
If I had $10k to lose I'd gladly do it. It wouldn't be wise to stake a good portion of my savings on any bet regardless of what it was. One ginormous bus accident wiping out all the other candidates and I'm screwed. Well let's lower the stakes then. I bet one penny, you bet $100.
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Post by Adam on Oct 20, 2011 11:18:13 GMT -5
If I had $10k to lose I'd gladly do it. It wouldn't be wise to stake a good portion of my savings on any bet regardless of what it was. One ginormous bus accident wiping out all the other candidates and I'm screwed. CONSPIRACY!!
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Post by Wato Stan Account on Oct 20, 2011 14:01:56 GMT -5
I will state I read into Ron Paul's plan and then decide, he should probably reconsider portions. Slashing the department of interior is kind of a problem. That would leave national parks up to states to take care of. Where in California's terrible budget will they have money to really do that for Yosemite? Would I be fine if he cut back people involved and combined departments? Totally. There's always too many people doing too many menial things in government.
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Post by Kliquid on Oct 20, 2011 14:08:21 GMT -5
I will state I read into Ron Paul's plan and then decide, he should probably reconsider portions. Slashing the department of interior is kind of a problem. That would leave national parks up to states to take care of. Where in California's terrible budget will they have money to really do that for Yosemite? Would I be fine if he cut back people involved and combined departments? Totally. There's always too many people doing too many menial things in government. His cuts to federal government (federal taxes) would mean the potential for states to increase their taxes (and services) while also providing a better service to their people.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Oct 20, 2011 14:35:47 GMT -5
If I had $10k to lose I'd gladly do it. It wouldn't be wise to stake a good portion of my savings on any bet regardless of what it was. One ginormous bus accident wiping out all the other candidates and I'm screwed. Well let's lower the stakes then. I bet one penny, you bet $100. If you're willing to donate that penny to a charity of my choice, you're on.
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Post by Kliquid on Oct 20, 2011 14:38:24 GMT -5
Well let's lower the stakes then. I bet one penny, you bet $100. If you're willing to donate that penny to a charity of my choice, you're on. The coalition for equality for gay, lesbian and transgender truckers, it is.
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Post by Adam on Oct 20, 2011 14:45:51 GMT -5
I will state I read into Ron Paul's plan and then decide, he should probably reconsider portions. Slashing the department of interior is kind of a problem. That would leave national parks up to states to take care of. Where in California's terrible budget will they have money to really do that for Yosemite? Would I be fine if he cut back people involved and combined departments? Totally. There's always too many people doing too many menial things in government. California had a chance to help with their debt with full legalization of marijuana, but they voted it down. So it's their problem now in my eyes. But that's another topic.
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Post by slappy on Oct 20, 2011 14:52:38 GMT -5
I will state I read into Ron Paul's plan and then decide, he should probably reconsider portions. Slashing the department of interior is kind of a problem. That would leave national parks up to states to take care of. Where in California's terrible budget will they have money to really do that for Yosemite? Would I be fine if he cut back people involved and combined departments? Totally. There's always too many people doing too many menial things in government. California had a chance to help with their debt with full legalization of marijuana, but they voted it down. So it's their problem now in my eyes. But that's another topic. Like that would have mattered? Obama is running his goons rampant over the state cracking down on dispensaries over medical marijuana. He is the most anti-medical marijuana President in history.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Oct 20, 2011 17:53:33 GMT -5
California had a chance to help with their debt with full legalization of marijuana, but they voted it down. So it's their problem now in my eyes. But that's another topic. Like that would have mattered? Obama is running his goons rampant over the state cracking down on dispensaries over medical marijuana. He is the most anti-medical marijuana President in history. I used to just hate Obama, now I can honestly say I abhor the man.
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Post by BCizzle on Oct 20, 2011 17:58:39 GMT -5
I used to just hate Obama, now I can honestly say I abhor the man. Because of medical marijuana? A ton of those people don't need medicine, they just want to get high. Legalizing weed is one thing, but hiding behind a doctor's note so you can get wasted is just pathetic.
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Post by slappy on Oct 20, 2011 18:02:29 GMT -5
I used to just hate Obama, now I can honestly say I abhor the man. Because of medical marijuana? A ton of those people don't need medicine, they just want to get high. Legalizing weed is one thing, but hiding behind a doctor's note so you can get wasted is just pathetic. How easy is it to get medical marijuana? You can get some if you have cancer. Hard to fake that. Maybe glaucoma again I think that'd be hard to fake. I don't know what else you could get it for but I'd think that would be one of the last resorts for pain and not one of the first. I doubt you can just go to the doctor, say you aren't well and request medical marijuana and the doctor just gives you it.
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Post by Kliquid on Oct 20, 2011 18:17:01 GMT -5
Because of medical marijuana? A ton of those people don't need medicine, they just want to get high. Legalizing weed is one thing, but hiding behind a doctor's note so you can get wasted is just pathetic. Pathetic, sure, but isn't it the individual's decision what he or she does with their body?
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Oct 20, 2011 18:20:27 GMT -5
Because of medical marijuana? A ton of those people don't need medicine, they just want to get high. Legalizing weed is one thing, but hiding behind a doctor's note so you can get wasted is just pathetic. How easy is it to get medical marijuana? You can get some if you have cancer. Hard to fake that. Maybe glaucoma again I think that'd be hard to fake. I don't know what else you could get it for but I'd think that would be one of the last resorts for pain and not one of the first. I doubt you can just go to the doctor, say you aren't well and request medical marijuana and the doctor just gives you it. I have heard from those in California that it is that easy to get. All you need is a doctor willing to sign a form saying that there is a medical benefit for you to have it. That's not hard to do. You can find a doctor who will sign just about anything.
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Post by slappy on Oct 20, 2011 18:23:06 GMT -5
How easy is it to get medical marijuana? You can get some if you have cancer. Hard to fake that. Maybe glaucoma again I think that'd be hard to fake. I don't know what else you could get it for but I'd think that would be one of the last resorts for pain and not one of the first. I doubt you can just go to the doctor, say you aren't well and request medical marijuana and the doctor just gives you it. I have heard from those in California that it is that easy to get. All you need is a doctor willing to sign a form saying that there is a medical benefit for you to have it. That's not hard to do. You can find a doctor who will sign just about anything. Then you can bring that doctor up on fraud or any other charges for just signing forms for people who don't really need it for medical purposes.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Oct 20, 2011 18:31:50 GMT -5
I used to just hate Obama, now I can honestly say I abhor the man. Because of medical marijuana? A ton of those people don't need medicine, they just want to get high. Legalizing weed is one thing, but hiding behind a doctor's note so you can get wasted is just pathetic. I have something called Scheuermann's Disease with Kyphosis which has pretty much been the bane of my life since I can remember. Because of this I'm always getting incredibly painful muscle spasms in my neck, upper back, lower back and all around my head. Stuff like Tylenol, Ibuprofin and Naperson do absolutely nothing even at prescription strength. So far there are only 2 things that help with the pain, one is Valium and the second is "you know what". I agree, there are a lot of people that don't need medicinal marijuana and only want it to get high, but I am not one of those people. It really helps with the pain a lot and I am actually able to function cause once I start feeling the spasms in my neck it usually travels up to my head and then starts to feel like an incredibly tight band of vice grip around my head. It's incredibly painful and if I don't have any medication all I can do is lay in bed until I pass out from the pain, it's that bad. So yes, it is because of that I abhor Obama.
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