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Post by Kliquid on Dec 18, 2011 23:38:54 GMT -5
Paul leads in IowaNewt Gingrich's campaign is rapidly imploding, and Ron Paul has now taken the lead in Iowa. He's at 23% to 20% for Mitt Romney, 14% for Gingrich, 10% each for Rick Santorum, Michele Bachmann, and Rick Perry, 4% for Jon Huntsman, and 2% for Gary Johnson. Gingrich has now seen a big drop in his Iowa standing two weeks in a row. His share of the vote has gone from 27% to 22% to 14%. And there's been a large drop in his personal favorability numbers as well from +31 (62/31) to +12 (52/40) to now -1 (46/47). Negative ads over the last few weeks have really chipped away at Gingrich's image as being a strong conservative- now only 36% of voters believe that he has 'strong principles,' while 43% think he does not. Paul's ascendancy is a sign that perhaps campaigns do matter at least a little, in a year where there has been a lot of discussion about whether they still do in Iowa. 22% of voters think he's run the best campaign in the state compared to only 8% for Gingrich and 5% for Romney. The only other candidate to hit double digits on that question is Bachmann at 19%. Paul also leads Romney 26-5 (with Gingrich at 13%) with the 22% of voters who say it's 'very important' that a candidate spends a lot of time in Iowa. Finally Paul leads Romney 29-19 among the 26% of likely voters who have seen one of the candidates in person. Paul's base of support continues to rely on some unusual groups for a Republican contest. Among voters under 45 he's at 33% to 16% for Romney and 11% for Gingrich. He's really going to need that younger than normal electorate because with seniors Romney's blowing him out 31-15 with Gingrich coming in 2nd at 18%. Paul is also cleaning up 35-14 with the 24% of voters who identify as either Democrats or independents. Romney is actually ahead 22-19 with GOP voters. Young people and non-Republicans are an unusual coalition to hang your hat on in Iowa, and it will be interesting to see if Paul can actually pull it off. Romney's vote share is up 4 points from a week ago to 20% from it previous 16% standing. His favorability numbers have improved a little bit as well from 48/44 to 49/40. One thing Romney really has going for him is more room for growth than Paul. Among voters who say they're not firmly committed to their current candidate choice, Romney is the second choice for 19% compared to 17% for Perry, 15% for Bachmann, and only 13% for Paul. It's particularly worth noting that among Gingrich- who seems more likely to keep falling than turn it around- voters, he's the second choice of 30% compared to only 11% for Paul. In addition to having more support right now Paul also has firmer support (73% solidly committed) than Romney does (68% solidly committed.) But at the same time Romney appears to have more room for growth, which could allow him to overtake Paul in the last two weeks. Two other notes on Romney: he's now winning the electability primary- 25% of voters think he would have the best chance to defeat Obama compared to 17% for Gingrich and 16% for Paul. And he also leads Paul 24-18 among voters who watched the Sioux City debate on Thursday night, confirming general perception that he had the stronger performance. The rest of the field isn't getting much traction. Among the three candidates tied at 10%, Santorum has gained a couple points compared to last week, Perry has moved up a single point, and Bachmann is down a point. There is some indication that Iowans are warming up to Perry a little bit. He's gone from a -4 (43/47) favorability to a +8 (48/40). With six candidates in double digits there are still a lot of different things that could happen the final two weeks in Iowa. But it looks like Paul and Romney have emerged as the clear front runners. Full results - www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_IA_1218925.pdf----------------------------- If you support Ron Paul, PLEASE DO YOUR PART IN HELPING HIM GET THE NOMINATION!:
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Post by slappy on Dec 18, 2011 23:42:03 GMT -5
Holy .
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Post by extreme on Dec 19, 2011 0:04:23 GMT -5
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Post by slappy on Dec 19, 2011 0:06:53 GMT -5
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Post by King Silva on Dec 19, 2011 2:23:51 GMT -5
That is good news.
Better him than Newt..
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Post by Adam on Dec 19, 2011 9:26:45 GMT -5
Holy hell, and here I thought his exchange with Bachmann would do harm.
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Post by slappy on Dec 19, 2011 12:13:25 GMT -5
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Post by King of Kings on Dec 19, 2011 12:16:02 GMT -5
Holy shit...we might be able to do this...
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Post by slappy on Dec 19, 2011 12:17:31 GMT -5
Holy poop...we might be able to do this... But the story for the next few weeks will be "Rick Perry rises to third, Gingrich falls to fourth. Romney leads them."
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Post by King of Kings on Dec 19, 2011 12:19:10 GMT -5
Holy poop...we might be able to do this... But the story for the next few weeks will be "Rick Perry rises to third, Gingrich falls to fourth. Romney leads them." Unfortunately.
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Post by Kliquid on Dec 19, 2011 14:45:12 GMT -5
The truth is, Paul still has a long road ahead of him even if he does win Iowa.
He is trailing in new Hampshire, Florida, and many other states that are arguably more important than Iowa.
I just think it's nice to see Dr. Paul out in front in the first state. But this by no means indicates that he's the favorite to win the nomination..... Yet.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2011 17:08:55 GMT -5
This is truely great news!
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Dec 19, 2011 17:20:43 GMT -5
The truth is, Paul still has a long road ahead of him even if he does win Iowa. He is trailing in new Hampshire, Florida, and many other states that are arguably more important than Iowa. I just think it's nice to see Dr. Paul out in front in the first state. But this by no means indicates that he's the favorite to win the nomination..... Yet. I wouldn't be shocked at all to see him win a primary or two. He won't win the nomination. I stick by that. If he does manage to win the nomination, the Republicans will jump like rats off a sinking ship and will either stay home or vote for some 3rd party candidate in droves. Obama will trounce him.
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Post by Adam on Dec 19, 2011 18:05:12 GMT -5
So if it did come down to Paul and Obama, would Republicans be willing to let Obama have 4 more years to keep Paul out of office? I mean, who exactly do they really hate more?
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Post by Tim of thee on Dec 19, 2011 18:26:20 GMT -5
The truth is, Paul still has a long road ahead of him even if he does win Iowa. He is trailing in new Hampshire, Florida, and many other states that are arguably more important than Iowa. I just think it's nice to see Dr. Paul out in front in the first state. But this by no means indicates that he's the favorite to win the nomination..... Yet. I wouldn't be shocked at all to see him win a primary or two. He won't win the nomination. I stick by that. If he does manage to win the nomination, the Republicans will jump like rats off a sinking ship and will either stay home or vote for some 3rd party candidate in droves. Obama will trounce him. I strongly doubt that. You really think they are willing to repeat the ross perot error? seriously hulk?
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Post by Wato Stan Account on Dec 19, 2011 18:38:07 GMT -5
So if it did come down to Paul and Obama, would Republicans be willing to let Obama have 4 more years to keep Paul out of office? I mean, who exactly do they really hate more? They've been able to push Obama around to get what they want. Paul will attempt to rip apart anything he hates, which seems like a good majority of things. They know they could get a few things done with Obama, because they've yet to realize they're the major problem in getting things done. No one else.
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Post by Kliquid on Dec 19, 2011 18:39:21 GMT -5
If he does manage to win the nomination, the Republicans will jump like rats off a sinking ship and will either stay home or vote for some 3rd party candidate in droves. Obama will trounce him. See I don't understand why you believe that... - Every poll that has put Obama vs. Paul has put them within the margin of error.
- No other candidate has polled as well as Paul vs. Obama.
- When have the Republicans ever just "stayed home?" Even when they put Bob Dole and McCain up - two candidates that were very "meh" - they still showed up. They didn't win, but they still showed up.
- Paul doesn't have anywhere near the baggage that the other likely candidates do.
Not to mention, think about this for a minute... If we determine that 23% of Republicans in Iowa right now are "Ron Paul Republicans," then we can safely assume that about 3/4 of those are dead-set on ONLY Ron Paul. That means about 17% of Republican voters will not vote or will write-in Ron Paul. Even if we reduce that number down to say 10%, that still means a LANDSLIDE victory for Obama unless Paul is the nominee. What polls say that Republicans will NOT vote for Dr. Paul if he's the nominee? Quote me right now - absolutely no other candidate the Republicans put up has a CHANCE IN HELL against Obama and it's because of Ron Paul.
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Post by Wato Stan Account on Dec 19, 2011 19:19:44 GMT -5
Iowa is still a much different state than any other; they're a midwestern, often red state, that allows gay marriage. Their support of Ron Paul is great, but it doesn't mean it's nation wide...yet. If he wins Iowa, I could see him gaining more traction.
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Post by Kliquid on Dec 19, 2011 19:24:53 GMT -5
Iowa is still a much different state than any other; they're a midwestern, often red state, that allows gay marriage. Their support of Ron Paul is great, but it doesn't mean it's nation wide...yet. If he wins Iowa, I could see him gaining more traction. Absolutely, and I think I kind of explained that above, but I agree with you. Winning Iowa doesn't mean Paul is in the lead right now. But it certainly would have a positive affect on the Paul campaign.
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Post by Tim of thee on Dec 20, 2011 2:24:39 GMT -5
Iowa is still a much different state than any other; they're a midwestern, often red state, that allows gay marriage. Their support of Ron Paul is great, but it doesn't mean it's nation wide...yet. If he wins Iowa, I could see him gaining more traction. Absolutely, and I think I kind of explained that above, but I agree with you. Winning Iowa doesn't mean Paul is in the lead right now. But it certainly would have a positive affect on the Paul campaign. not to mention that a paul win would force the media to actually, you know, report it
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