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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2011 23:44:36 GMT -5
So I'm watching WWF Primetime from the summer of 1989, and they show a Barry Windham match, and then they show Tony Shivannoe doing a promo for home video, then we get a Dusty Rhodes promo.
Now I had always known that all these guys had a stint with the WWF, what caught my attention was the fact they all came in around the same time.
Arn Anderson
Tully Blanchard
Ron Garvin
Dusty Rhodes
Barry Windham
Tony Shivannoe
Were all apart of the WWF roster in 1989.
If I recall correctly these guys were big draws for the NWA(WCW) at time, heck three of them were horsemen.
Tony Shivannoe's stint in the WWF always surprised me as I always saw him as NWA loyal, just watching his promos in the WWF you could tell that something was off.
So my question is...what the hell was going in the NWA during 1989 that made them lose some top stars? Was their financial problems, or was Vince offering good money? Could it have been a falling out with management? Which also led to Flair's stint in the WWF.
I hope you guys can shed light on this!
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Post by jammer311 on Dec 25, 2011 1:40:20 GMT -5
Anderson and Blanchard left the NWA cause of money issues. They weren't getting paid enough. JJ Dillon also soon left for the WWE and was in the back as some executive agent type guy. Windham came over as soon as he dropped the US Title, Dusty left the NWA in early 89 and went to Florida and then came into the WWE in summer of 89. Same with Tony.
I am guessing Jim Herd probably had something to do with it, or maybe some just wanted a change and a chance to say they worked for the WWE at least once in their life. Not sure.
It's like, why did those guys all end up going back to WCW??
But the same can be said for WWE guys who leave to go to WCW (like Davey Boy Smith) they just didn't fit there and they come back to the WWE.
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Post by K5 on Dec 25, 2011 2:34:35 GMT -5
schiavone in wwe was always bizarre to me as well, but the fact he stayed employed in the wrestling business in general is fascinating.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2011 8:58:38 GMT -5
yup Jammer you are spot on there chief.
all these arrivals stemmed from money issues.Flair and The Roadies were also en route but Turner execs put cash into them to stay.
Vince wanted The Roadies to feud with Superheels Demolition in 88,but after that fell through he took POP instead......of course they were a failure and it led to the famous double turn at SSeries 88.The Roadies probably would have mowed the Bolsheveiks down at SSlam 88 just like POP did.
Rumors persist Flair was meant to debut at Summerslam 88 too......
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Post by Raine on Dec 26, 2011 9:24:52 GMT -5
Rumors persist Flair was meant to debut at Summerslam 88 too...... Yep against Savage for the title. Where this would have left the Mega Powers explode storyline is interesting. |
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Post by Johnny Lawrence - Cobra Kai on Dec 26, 2011 21:12:33 GMT -5
Regarding Schiavone, I actually thought Jim Ross sounded much more out of place on a WWF broadcast than Schiavone did.
Of course, that's almost impossible to comprehend now that Ross has become the voice of WWE's last 15+ years or so. But when he debuted, he seemed way out of place.
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Post by gelatinoustapeworm on Dec 26, 2011 21:49:04 GMT -5
Regarding Schiavone, I actually thought Jim Ross sounded much more out of place on a WWF broadcast than Schiavone did. Of course, that's almost impossible to comprehend now that Ross has become the voice of WWE's last 15+ years or so. But when he debuted, he seemed way out of place. I agree, Ross was very awkward when he first joined the WWE, especially during his debut at WM 9 in that toga! I don't think think he really started gelling in WWE until he began consistently calling Raw with Vince and Lawler. Then, when Vince left the booth to play the Mr. McMahon character, he really began hitting his stride. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2011 8:48:37 GMT -5
Regarding Schiavone, I actually thought Jim Ross sounded much more out of place on a WWF broadcast than Schiavone did. Of course, that's almost impossible to comprehend now that Ross has become the voice of WWE's last 15+ years or so. But when he debuted, he seemed way out of place. Oh I agree. when I first bought the tagged classic of SS88 and 89 and ol Tony was announcing Summerslam 89 it blew my socks off.I had totally forgot about him being there....... |
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Post by Bullgod on Dec 27, 2011 12:17:17 GMT -5
Alot of the problem was Crocket was losing money and the wrestlers wern't getting great pay days, and then when Turner bought the promotion and made it WCW alot of wrestlers wern't happy with Jim Herd who was running it, which is the reason Flair left in 91
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2011 15:02:34 GMT -5
Alot of the problem was Crocket was losing money and the wrestlers wern't getting great pay days, and then when Turner bought the promotion and made it WCW alot of wrestlers wern't happy with Jim Herd who was running it, which is the reason Flair left in 91 yes Herd led to the clearout in 90 onwards but in 88 it was because Turners execs wanted to bring paycuts across the board to offset underperforming houses and events. of course Rhodes was fired.....he didnt leave for better gravy. |
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Post by marino13 on Dec 27, 2011 17:39:41 GMT -5
Would have been great had Flair came over with all of them. Then Vince could have reunited his version of the Horsemen. Plus if memory serves me, I believe J.J. Dillon was also working backstage at the time.
Could you imagine if we would have got The Mega Powers vs the Four Horsemen? I'm salivating just thinking about it. Hell, I'd cut off my own hand for a chance to see Randy Savage vs Barry Windham.
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Post by Nivro™ on Dec 27, 2011 22:07:40 GMT -5
Its simple,
They all feared the wrath of THE DING DONGS!!
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Post by Calcifer Boheme on Dec 28, 2011 5:45:02 GMT -5
Would have been great had Flair came over with all of them. Then Vince could have reunited his version of the Horsemen. Plus if memory serves me, I believe J.J. Dillon was also working backstage at the time. Could you imagine if we would have got The Mega Powers vs the Four Horsemen? I'm salivating just thinking about it. Hell, I'd cut off my own hand for a chance to see Randy Savage vs Barry Windham. Oh man, that would have been a brilliant match. I don't like thinking of anything happening in 88/89 other than the mega powers angle. Their teaming and explosion is still my favorite angle of all time. I'm just not sure how bringing in the horsemen would have affected that. I would be interested to see what thy would have done with Flair during that time period, while keeping the Hogan/Savage deal essentially the same. I guess having the Horsemen there would have meant taking the Twin Towers out of that spot. I'm also having trouble remembering who all was there, so who else could Flair have feuded with? Hmmm... I'll give this more thought once I've gotten some sleep. |
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Post by marino13 on Dec 30, 2011 8:48:27 GMT -5
Would have been great had Flair came over with all of them. Then Vince could have reunited his version of the Horsemen. Plus if memory serves me, I believe J.J. Dillon was also working backstage at the time. Could you imagine if we would have got The Mega Powers vs the Four Horsemen? I'm salivating just thinking about it. Hell, I'd cut off my own hand for a chance to see Randy Savage vs Barry Windham. Oh man, that would have been a brilliant match. I don't like thinking of anything happening in 88/89 other than the mega powers angle. Their teaming and explosion is still my favorite angle of all time.I'm just not sure how bringing in the horsemen would have affected that. I would be interested to see what thy would have done with Flair during that time period, while keeping the Hogan/Savage deal essentially the same. I guess having the Horsemen there would have meant taking the Twin Towers out of that spot. I'm also having trouble remembering who all was there, so who else could Flair have feuded with? Hmmm... I'll give this more thought once I've gotten some sleep. Bar none the Explosion is the greatest storyline in WWE/F history. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2011 8:57:22 GMT -5
Would have been great had Flair came over with all of them. Then Vince could have reunited his version of the Horsemen. Plus if memory serves me, I believe J.J. Dillon was also working backstage at the time. Could you imagine if we would have got The Mega Powers vs the Four Horsemen? I'm salivating just thinking about it. Hell, I'd cut off my own hand for a chance to see Randy Savage vs Barry Windham. I highly doubt Vince woulda done a 4 Horsemen angle, seeing as he didn't create it. |
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Post by marino13 on Dec 30, 2011 9:11:17 GMT -5
Would have been great had Flair came over with all of them. Then Vince could have reunited his version of the Horsemen. Plus if memory serves me, I believe J.J. Dillon was also working backstage at the time. Could you imagine if we would have got The Mega Powers vs the Four Horsemen? I'm salivating just thinking about it. Hell, I'd cut off my own hand for a chance to see Randy Savage vs Barry Windham. I highly doubt Vince woulda done a 4 Horsemen angle, seeing as he didn't create it. You very well could be right. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2011 11:28:26 GMT -5
yeah I was thinking that too.he may not have had them associated at all.or else all in the Heenan Family.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2011 15:04:44 GMT -5
yeah that's why most guys that came in from other promotioms were given new gimmicks. I remember reading somewhere that when Harley Race came in they set up the whole king of the ring gimmick for him to highlight him as an accomplished wrestler witout making any nods to NWA
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2011 19:57:45 GMT -5
yeah Vince did seem to favor putting the ex NWA heels with Heenan
Race,Arn & Tully and Flair all parts of the Heenan family.
makes me wonder why Windham didnt end up in there
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Post by mikey1974 on Dec 30, 2011 20:13:13 GMT -5
i still remember when Herd wanted to change Flair's gimmick to a "Spartacus" knock-off complete with shorter hair (which Flair did do) , shield,cape,and armor.... because "Vince has characters"....
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