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Post by punksnotdead on Jan 4, 2012 13:45:19 GMT -5
I know.. I mean, him winning the Intercontinental title four months after his debut isn't much at all. Then to win his first Wrestlemania match and become the European champ in 2000.. They didn't have him do anything. Your getting what Im trying to say, he debuted by interupting THE ROCK. The night he debuted I thought he would be an instant main eventer. But instead he was thrown into a lackluster IC title fued with CHYNA! The guy that interupted the ROCK for god sakes was in a fued with CHYNA. And to better clarify what im trying to get across, the two biggest fueds that Jericho had between his debut and the Invasion were againt Chyna and Stephanie. Yeah he had great matches with guys like Benoit and Angle but he had no real direction what so ever. Even Jericho talks about this in his book. He should have began fueding with Rock right after his debut, with all the build up he had and the magnetude of his debut thats what he should have done, not get stuck fueding with Chyna and Steph. He was a low to mid card guy in WCW. You can't, in theory, take a WCW TV and Cruiserweight Champion and then have him jump over and become World Champion. It makes the WCW talent look superior to WWF due to him being much lower on the card. WWF built him up. He did go into sort of a wheels spinning period briefly, but until he beat Triple H, he really wasn't main event ready to the mass audience. Jericho and Raven were the reasons I watched WCW, I would have loved to see him jump right in with Rock and Austin but in retrospect it just wasn't very realistic. |
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Post by The-Rock on Jan 4, 2012 14:03:19 GMT -5
as someone who was a knowledgeable and well versed fan during all 3 eras, without a doubt it was 2007. The 1999 debut was cool, but like others have said did not lead to anything for a few weeks/months. He didn't even wrestle until like September on Smackdown! While he did eventually become one of my favorite wrestlers of all time, it was like a "so what" moment. With guys constantly jumping ship during that time, and the rosters being enormous and only 1 show a week...it seemed fairly minor.
HOWEVER
In 2007, Jericho had been sorely missed for over 2 years. WWE had essentially no entertaining faces as Cena was hurt, HBK was on a limited schedule, Lashley was hurt, HHH was feuding with the mid-carders. Jericho returning was like an injection of fresh, entertaining, established talent. He also brought with him this nostalgic feeling of the "old times". While it was greatly spoiled, when he was standing out there it was astronomically more exciting than his 2012 return.
The 2012 return was on par with a regular entrance from a weekly wrestler. It was boring, anticlimactic, and just sucked. I understand that his actions were clearly part of a bigger picture. However, it still sucked.
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Post by The-Rock on Jan 4, 2012 14:07:06 GMT -5
Your getting what Im trying to say, he debuted by interupting THE ROCK. The night he debuted I thought he would be an instant main eventer. But instead he was thrown into a lackluster IC title fued with CHYNA! The guy that interupted the ROCK for god sakes was in a fued with CHYNA. And to better clarify what im trying to get across, the two biggest fueds that Jericho had between his debut and the Invasion were againt Chyna and Stephanie. Yeah he had great matches with guys like Benoit and Angle but he had no real direction what so ever. Even Jericho talks about this in his book. He should have began fueding with Rock right after his debut, with all the build up he had and the magnetude of his debut thats what he should have done, not get stuck fueding with Chyna and Steph. He was a low to mid card guy in WCW. You can't, in theory, take a WCW TV and Cruiserweight Champion and then have him jump over and become World Champion. It makes the WCW talent look superior to WWF due to him being much lower on the card. WWF built him up. He did go into sort of a wheels spinning period briefly, but until he beat Triple H, he really wasn't main event ready to the mass audience. Jericho and Raven were the reasons I watched WCW, I would have loved to see him jump right in with Rock and Austin but in retrospect it just wasn't very realistic. I agree with the statement about feuding with The Rock immediately. He should have cost The Rock his match against Billy Gunn at Summerslam, thus elevating Billy Gunn to main event level and allowing The Rock to feud with Jericho. In terms of mid-carders jumping crapand becoming world champions, look no further than Jeff Jarrett..who went from that feud with Chyna to being WCW champion in like a month or two. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2012 14:09:59 GMT -5
Nothing tops the first. The commentators ruined the second return because they were just like "It's Chris Jericho. Oh lord." and I loved his return on Monday. I thought it was brilliant but it wasn't as good as the debut.
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Post by wabarrett on Jan 4, 2012 14:22:18 GMT -5
The concept of this most recent one was cool, but (regardless of where it leads) his actual return was a let down because he said nothing and wasted time just smiling.
The debut was really cool but the promo wasn't anything special IMO.
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Post by Daniel F'n Bryan on Jan 4, 2012 14:29:44 GMT -5
Your getting what Im trying to say, he debuted by interupting THE ROCK. The night he debuted I thought he would be an instant main eventer. But instead he was thrown into a lackluster IC title fued with CHYNA! The guy that interupted the ROCK for god sakes was in a fued with CHYNA. And to better clarify what im trying to get across, the two biggest fueds that Jericho had between his debut and the Invasion were againt Chyna and Stephanie. Yeah he had great matches with guys like Benoit and Angle but he had no real direction what so ever. Even Jericho talks about this in his book. He should have began fueding with Rock right after his debut, with all the build up he had and the magnetude of his debut thats what he should have done, not get stuck fueding with Chyna and Steph. He was a low to mid card guy in WCW. You can't, in theory, take a WCW TV and Cruiserweight Champion and then have him jump over and become World Champion. It makes the WCW talent look superior to WWF due to him being much lower on the card. WWF built him up. He did go into sort of a wheels spinning period briefly, but until he beat Triple H, he really wasn't main event ready to the mass audience. Jericho and Raven were the reasons I watched WCW, I would have loved to see him jump right in with Rock and Austin but in retrospect it just wasn't very realistic. Then why have him interupt the rock, why not have him interupt someone in the midcard like Kane and X-Pac or Road Dogg? |
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Post by juicewinslow on Jan 4, 2012 15:58:48 GMT -5
1999. One of the best debuts of all-time.
I hated the 2007 return... came off as extremely corny to me. I was actually pretty annoyed by it (and Jericho is my favorite wrestler)... I was so happy when he turned heel... and absolutely loved that gimmick.
The newest return is awesome because we really have no idea how to react to it. Jericho is a God and he proved it here.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jan 4, 2012 16:06:34 GMT -5
He was a low to mid card guy in WCW. You can't, in theory, take a WCW TV and Cruiserweight Champion and then have him jump over and become World Champion. It makes the WCW talent look superior to WWF due to him being much lower on the card. WWF built him up. He did go into sort of a wheels spinning period briefly, but until he beat Triple H, he really wasn't main event ready to the mass audience. Jericho and Raven were the reasons I watched WCW, I would have loved to see him jump right in with Rock and Austin but in retrospect it just wasn't very realistic. I agree with the statement about feuding with The Rock immediately. He should have cost The Rock his match against Billy Gunn at Summerslam, thus elevating Billy Gunn to main event level and allowing The Rock to feud with Jericho. I n terms of mid-carders jumping poop and becoming world champions, look no further than Jeff Jarrett..who went from that feud with Chyna to being WCW champion in like a month or two.Like when he beat David Arquette for the World Title to sky rocket to the top of the WCW roster... |
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Post by punksnotdead on Jan 4, 2012 16:07:28 GMT -5
He was a low to mid card guy in WCW. You can't, in theory, take a WCW TV and Cruiserweight Champion and then have him jump over and become World Champion. It makes the WCW talent look superior to WWF due to him being much lower on the card. WWF built him up. He did go into sort of a wheels spinning period briefly, but until he beat Triple H, he really wasn't main event ready to the mass audience. Jericho and Raven were the reasons I watched WCW, I would have loved to see him jump right in with Rock and Austin but in retrospect it just wasn't very realistic. Then why have him interupt the rock, why not have him interupt someone in the midcard like Kane and X-Pac or Road Dogg? So people would know who the hell is? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2012 16:20:03 GMT -5
99.
Vinnie and co introduce a guy straight off the bat by interrupting their #2 face and he is instantly over and has people interested in him.
today ROH guys are sent to FCW to have their personailties castrated and taught to work the "WWE way"instead of introducing guys straight off as a big deal and see how that goes....yknow try something different.
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Post by extreme on Jan 4, 2012 17:03:17 GMT -5
To be honest, they ruined the 2007 promo when they wrote "Break the Walls down" in the videos.
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Post by greenjack1992 on Jan 4, 2012 18:52:11 GMT -5
'99.
I remember it like it was yesterday.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2012 0:25:22 GMT -5
99. Vinnie and co introduce a guy straight off the bat by interrupting their #2 face and he is instantly over and has people interested in him. today ROH guys are sent to FCW to have their personailties castrated and taught to work the "WWE way"instead of introducing guys straight off as a big deal and see how that goes....yknow try something different. In what way has CM Punk or Daniel Bryan's personalities been castrated? Punk did the same straight edge savior thing in ROH and he still spent time in OVW. What about Del Rio they made a big deal for his debut. Back then there was actual competition, Jericho was on tv every week and was an established name in WCW, this during a time of a ratings war, have guys like the radicalz and jericho debut asap assured less viewers would watch WCW. |
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Post by King Silva on Jan 5, 2012 1:52:55 GMT -5
Easily the 1st.
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Post by Too Sweet on Jan 5, 2012 4:58:03 GMT -5
He was a low to mid card guy in WCW. You can't, in theory, take a WCW TV and Cruiserweight Champion and then have him jump over and become World Champion. It makes the WCW talent look superior to WWF due to him being much lower on the card. WWF built him up. He did go into sort of a wheels spinning period briefly, but until he beat Triple H, he really wasn't main event ready to the mass audience. Jericho and Raven were the reasons I watched WCW, I would have loved to see him jump right in with Rock and Austin but in retrospect it just wasn't very realistic. Then why have him interupt the rock, why not have him interupt someone in the midcard like Kane and X-Pac or Road Dogg? It wouldn't have had the same impact, I mean, a WCW Mid-Carder debuting in the midst of a promo by a main-eventer like The Rock, is an awesome way to make yourself known in a new company. '99 would be my choice without a doubt, but '12 is surprisingly close, just for the fact that no one has ever done it before and in an industry where things are easily rehashed or recycled, massive credit is due on this one. Couldn't agree more with what you said Punksnotdead, it's just a shame TNA doesn't get the memo with some talent. |
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Post by Sami Hazard on Jan 5, 2012 10:25:43 GMT -5
99 and 12 were both good. I just hope if Jericho leaves again and does another return it isn't with these types of promos but a surprise ambush or interference. This cryptic promos are getting too predictable. I hope if Jericho leaves, they use the cryptic promos for different returning wrestler just to throw people off and make them thing it's Jericho  |
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Post by Brankind on Jan 5, 2012 21:13:23 GMT -5
I think his 99 debut was one of the best debuts ever.
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Post by Unit/V-C2/4 on Jan 5, 2012 21:47:52 GMT -5
I'm going to miss his code graphics, and just seeing him again in 2007 was great, those 2 years couldn't have been any longer.
Without a doubt 1999, first of it's kind unique campaign, went from WCW midcarder to looking like the absolute rockstar he was, and traded verbal chops with The Rock...all in his debut.
I must note that the booking following both previous debut/returns was rather forgettable.
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Post by -The Autistic Animator- w.S.e on Jan 5, 2012 23:13:09 GMT -5
99 Was The Best. Just Coming Out Of WCW And Intruping THE ROCK ON HIS FRIST NIGHT (Just Thank God That It Was Austin)
07 Wow....... Glitter
12 Havent Seen It Yet
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