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Post by k5 on Jan 5, 2012 20:32:49 GMT -5
I am not a Nickelback fan per say, but I do not understand the hate they get. It's just that "hate it because it's popular" mentality. are you kidding me? i like tons of bands that are popular - for example, the black keys. the nickelback hate comes from the over commercialization of the band and their own marketing of this - example: they release singles simultaneously, with two markets in mind. first they'll release 'photograph' for the pop radio market so our mom's and young kids can all dig the jam tunes of ol nickelback. then, the same time, they'll release some stupid bad riff based rock song that is meant to apply to those that are out getting hammered partying or the 'rock n roll' lifestyle... ...a naive or biased person would view this as a innocent attempt to make music 'for all people and they make different kinds of music, who cares? maybe they like those kinds of music and wanted to make them.' someone who actually read between the lines would easily see this is a tactic to sell to as many people as possible and to generalize the band enough that they don't really represent anything but the past songs you've associated with the same feeling. the bottom line is, in 20+ years, nickelback is NOT going to be remembered as a rolling stones or pink floyd or red hot chili peppers - they will be remembered for being a completely hyperbole crap band that the masses flocked to and they exploited. never mind that it's straight up not good music.
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Post by Wato Stan Account on Jan 5, 2012 20:37:47 GMT -5
Yeah they are mainstream, he isn't saying he isn't. But it's taken YEARS for real rock music to finally get back to arenas like this. It's been dominated by crappy metal and major label trash rock for years. The legacy acts don't count. So what if he comes off like an elitist dick? It's been that way in music for years. I don't want every band I love to be the band I can see myself drinking with. Patrick Carney plays music well and has made his life about doing that. Look at someone like Cee Lo. He was respected for YEARS; now the guy is another musician out for a paycheck anyway he can grab it. Not that I'm against money making; but I still have more respect for the guys who are solely going out doing what they do for their music. You don't see the Black Keys blasting their songs over anyone that throws money to them. They're popular, but they haven't sent their music to Glee. You apparently don't get his point that people have called them "sell outs" because they're popular enough for arenas. Which they aren't. They're just really popular now, and thank god, bands like them need to be bigger. Yeah because every popular band has sold their music to Glee. off with logic. You are one of those people who latch onto "unknown" bands and fly with em. I am no fan of ******, in fact they ing suck, but for this guy to act like he is on a whole other level is asinine. I don't consider this band to be great "rock" music. Everyone has their own opinions on music but c'mon. Black Keys, Arcade Fire as great rock artists? Hell no. Bands who work hard should get recognition, but dumbass pricks like this guy don't deserve anything. Every band works at their job even the bad ones. It's just some people hate for no reason. Also the term "sellout" is such a ing cop-out it's not even funny. Well they went to make more money "sellout". They licensed their music for a commercial "sellout". So the next time you take a promotion or pay raise I'll gladly call you a greedy, selfish, "sellout" because you know, money isn't the main goal by everyone in the world. +1 for not understanding my argument. Way to sound like a ****. Also YOU don't consider them to be great rock bands, doesn't mean that they aren't. YOU aren't the god of rock n' roll are you? No. You're a dick on the internet trying to pick apart an argument for the Black Keys that you clearly didn't understand. Also are you trying to insult me by saying I listen to "unknown" bands? I happen to listen to a lot of music, what's the big deal? Sad you can't find out about any?
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Post by k5 on Jan 5, 2012 20:45:07 GMT -5
seanzor, as i'm sure you know, as soon as people who are informed try to actually share their information, they're labelled as elitists on here. it's a form of denial so people can keep liking what they like despite it being garbage.
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Post by Boy Wonder on Jan 5, 2012 20:46:12 GMT -5
While he comes off as a prick in the interview, he's right. Black Keys = good, Nickelback = horrible garbage.
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Post by Dexter Morgan on Jan 5, 2012 20:51:54 GMT -5
Yeah because every popular band has sold their music to Glee. off with logic. You are one of those people who latch onto "unknown" bands and fly with em. I am no fan of ******, in fact they ing suck, but for this guy to act like he is on a whole other level is asinine. I don't consider this band to be great "rock" music. Everyone has their own opinions on music but c'mon. Black Keys, Arcade Fire as great rock artists? Hell no. Bands who work hard should get recognition, but dumbass pricks like this guy don't deserve anything. Every band works at their job even the bad ones. It's just some people hate for no reason. Also the term "sellout" is such a ing cop-out it's not even funny. Well they went to make more money "sellout". They licensed their music for a commercial "sellout". So the next time you take a promotion or pay raise I'll gladly call you a greedy, selfish, "sellout" because you know, money isn't the main goal by everyone in the world. +1 for not understanding my argument. Way to sound like a ****. Also YOU don't consider them to be great rock bands, doesn't mean that they aren't. YOU aren't the god of rock n' roll are you? No. You're a dick on the internet trying to pick apart an argument for the Black Keys that you clearly didn't understand. Also are you trying to insult me by saying I listen to "unknown" bands? I happen to listen to a lot of music, what's the big deal? Sad you can't find out about any? You're arguement was the guy might be an elitist prick but he is right. Then you said GREAT rock and roll is back and referenced the Black Keys and Arcade Fire. Yes I did understand your arguement that any band that sells their music or is out for a paycheck are not respected and as you call it the arenas are filled with "crappy metal and major label trash rock." I understood your argument fine, you made it clear the "mainstream" stuff is something you dislike (though instead of saying you just dislike it, you basically call it garbage. I listen to plenty of music, from many different genres. Hell I enjoy a couple of Black Key songs but people like you are the bane of existence when discussing music. You don't dislike something or something isn't good it's garbage and you hail the small bands (nothing wrong with smaller bands by the way.) But guys like you put them on a damn pedastool and it get so damn annoying. The article has to do with a dumbass prick who thinks he is better then other people. You then stepped in said he and everyone in the music industry knew he was right, and then defended what he said. As I said before EVERY band works on their music. Not just the ones who don't whore themselves out. Also I know I'm no rock and roll god. Neither are you yet you proclaimed Black Keys and Arcade Fire to be the next great rock artists. Little hypocritical don't ya think. EDIT - K5 and Seaznor I don't like Nickelback, as I said before I actually can't stand their music. But you'll never hear me say they don't work at what they do, which is basically what this guy said. Also K5 people call you and Seaznor elitist NOT because you are informed but because most of the time any mainstream band mentioned is called horrible and over-commercialized and sellouts. It's one thing to say "I dislike this band" or "This band gets to much airtime on the radio in my opinion" It's a whole other thing to call bands out for not working on what they do and just badmouth them.
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Post by Halloween King on Jan 5, 2012 23:11:07 GMT -5
Lol I thought it said the Black Eye Peas.
I dont know who either of these bands are.
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Post by Ian from 616Entertainment. on Jan 5, 2012 23:28:24 GMT -5
I am not a Black Keys fan.
I dislike Nickelback.
That said, I agree with the Black Keys guy for the most part. The other problem is that people are stupid. Honestly I think that is a big part of it. People love that simple Nickelback sh*t. And it's not just rock. Rap sucks pretty bad, too, right now. All this ridiculous beat, with some idiot just mumbling over it, it's huge. And it's a shame.
Both genres need to bounce back hard. There's a few shining examples in rock and rap who are trying their hardest. I wish them the best in their efforts.
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Post by k5 on Jan 5, 2012 23:41:19 GMT -5
dexter morgan - they don't work hard on their craft. it's the most commercial dribble there is. people do not say that about every mainstream band out there, in no way shape or form.
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Post by Johnny on Jan 6, 2012 0:01:48 GMT -5
Not the first time they've taken a shot at Nickelback.
He mentions them at the end. "If you're going to have to be exposed to music randomly, I'd rather it be our music." I wish this was always the rockstar mentality, Nickelback wouldn't be around if bands weren't afraid of "selling out."
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Jan 6, 2012 0:14:55 GMT -5
dexter morgan - they don't work hard on their craft. it's the most commercial dribble there is. people do not say that about every mainstream band out there, in no way shape or form. Then YOU go make a record. YOU sell millions of records worldwide. YOU sell out arenas worldwide. YOU go get millions of fans. It ain't that easy. And Nickelback has done a damn good job in the face of all the sh*t they get from people like you.
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Post by ¡Twist Of Lime Green Jello! on Jan 6, 2012 0:16:17 GMT -5
Hes already failed by saying Nickelback is the biggest rock band in the world. I like Nickelback but I wouldn't go that far. What a tosser.
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Post by k5 on Jan 6, 2012 0:21:08 GMT -5
dexter morgan - they don't work hard on their craft. it's the most commercial dribble there is. people do not say that about every mainstream band out there, in no way shape or form. Then YOU go make a record. YOU sell millions of records worldwide. YOU sell out arenas worldwide. YOU go get millions of fans. It ain't that easy. And Nickelback has done a damn good job in the face of all the sh*t they get from people like you. that's a pretty big cop out for an answer. do you tell professional music critics that, too? nickelback does a horrendous job, and the grand majority are aware. for chrissake, there is an app called nickelblock just so you don't have to see anything on the net featuring them...not just any band gets this treatment. my friends and i actually laugh at how ridiculously bad the songs are, since there is of course the one guy that thinks they're good and turns them on..
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Post by k5 on Jan 6, 2012 0:24:44 GMT -5
Hes already failed by saying Nickelback is the biggest rock band in the world. I like Nickelback but I wouldn't go that far. What a tosser. ...then who would you say is?
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Post by Johnny on Jan 6, 2012 0:27:36 GMT -5
dexter morgan - they don't work hard on their craft. it's the most commercial dribble there is. people do not say that about every mainstream band out there, in no way shape or form. Then YOU go make a record. YOU sell millions of records worldwide. YOU sell out arenas worldwide. YOU go get millions of fans. It ain't that easy. And Nickelback has done a damn good job in the face of all the sh*t they get from people like you. It is easy when you rehash the same formulaic, soulless garbage album after album and never produce something that's fresh and has some heart to it, like bands like The Black Keys do.
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Post by Dexter Morgan on Jan 6, 2012 0:54:38 GMT -5
dexter morgan - they don't work hard on their craft. it's the most commercial dribble there is. people do not say that about every mainstream band out there, in no way shape or form. Just because it sounds the same (I agree) doesn't mean they still don't work. Most bands follow the same basic formula that got them popular, most older bands do it and when they deviate from that formula there is backlash due to them changing. I don't like much mainstream stuff, but not because it's over-commercialized but because it's just not the type of music I enjoy. Like I said before it's one thing for the guy to say he feels music isn't made with heart anymore or that some bands don't try as hard as they used to, but to blatantly attack a band and act like you're better then them is stupid. Every band has fans and people who despise the band. Nickelback, Black Keys, everyone.
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Post by Suckasays on Jan 6, 2012 5:33:40 GMT -5
I am not a Nickelback fan per say, but I do not understand the hate they get. It's just that "hate it because it's popular" mentality. are you kidding me? i like tons of bands that are popular - for example, the black keys. the nickelback hate comes from the over commercialization of the band and their own marketing of this - example: they release singles simultaneously, with two markets in mind. first they'll release 'photograph' for the pop radio market so our mom's and young kids can all dig the jam tunes of ol nickelback. then, the same time, they'll release some stupid bad riff based rock song that is meant to apply to those that are out getting hammered partying or the 'rock n roll' lifestyle... ...a naive or biased person would view this as a innocent attempt to make music 'for all people and they make different kinds of music, who cares? maybe they like those kinds of music and wanted to make them.' someone who actually read between the lines would easily see this is a tactic to sell to as many people as possible and to generalize the band enough that they don't really represent anything but the past songs you've associated with the same feeling. the bottom line is, in 20+ years, nickelback is NOT going to be remembered as a rolling stones or pink floyd or red hot chili peppers - they will be remembered for being a completely hyperbole poop band that the masses flocked to and they exploited. never mind that it's straight up not good music. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that there are NO bands that have came out in the last 10 years that anyone will be talking about 20 years from now. It's just a totally different era than it was when Pink Floyd and Red Hot Chili Peppers etc came out. There is just way too much variety these days and varying tastes. There are no bands in the modern era that will be remembered like the bands of the 70's and 80's.
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Post by ¡Twist Of Lime Green Jello! on Jan 6, 2012 6:16:20 GMT -5
Hes already failed by saying Nickelback is the biggest rock band in the world. I like Nickelback but I wouldn't go that far. What a tosser. ...then who would you say is? Definitely not Nickelback. When you think of the biggest rock n roll bands in the world, Nickelback is nowhere near so why this guy even mentioned them is beyond me. Seems like just a guy trying to join the Nickelback hate wagon to get some publicity for his band.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2012 8:54:11 GMT -5
That's like saying you'd rather eat a balogna sandwich on plain white bread instead of having a toasted footlong sub from a local deli that makes fantastic sandwiches. No it's like saying I'd rather listen to a band that has a handful of decent songs than one that has none.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2012 8:59:48 GMT -5
The thing is if it wasn't for the amount of money a band like Nickelback make, there would be plenty of new bands who Roadrunner wouldn't be able to sign and promote. I don't like them all that much but if you go through their unreleased songs there's some pretty decent stuff around that sounds nothing like what they release as singles.
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Post by HoganBai on Jan 6, 2012 9:32:13 GMT -5
I'm not a Nickleback fan, but I don't get so worked up with rage about them like a lot of other people, but some of the sheer dickheadness in this thread is astonishing. Also YOU don't consider them to be great rock bands, doesn't mean that they aren't. YOU aren't the god of rock n' roll are you? No. You're a dick on the internet trying to pick apart an argument for the Black Keys that you clearly didn't understand. Errr....isn't that what you're doing? YOU don't consider Nickleback to be good, but you seemingly KNOW Black Keys are a good band (and citing different critics doesn't make it proof - at all, no matter how many agree, it doesn't become proof). Entertainment is subjective, everything is an opinion, nothing is a fact unless you're talking statistics (which means nothing in terms of whether or not you like a band). And telling someone that they "don't understand the argument" is a bit harsh man don't you think? Don't think I'm just getting at you though sean, Dexter also went OTT with his side of the argument. Everyone thinks their opinion is a fact, and then people just start arguments and flame wars over it, and it's ing pointless. To me, Nickleback have only got worse for me as I've got older (although Silver Side Up holds up for me for nostalgia, mainly because I was 11 when I heard it, and also because well...How You Remind Me is a tune haha), but you know what I do if I don't like a band? Ignore them. People have said in this thread that Nickleback AREN'T a "hated because it's the cool thing to do" right? nickelback does a horrendous job, and the grand majority are aware. for chrissake, there is an app called nickelblock just so you don't have to see anything on the net featuring them...not just any band gets this treatment. my friends and i actually laugh at how ridiculously bad the songs are, since there is of course the one guy that thinks they're good and turns them on.. There's your proof right there. The reason Nickleback have a website called "Nickleblock" and there was a petition to ban them playing at a NFL game isn't because they are that bad, it's because NO OTHER BAND gets so much mainstream hate as them, and people jump on the bandwagon. You really think anybody cares THAT much about Nickleback that they can't just click off a website or change the station? They really have to get an app? And I bet people who have that app TELL people that they have that app "Oh look how funny this is, I've got Nickleblock". I mean COME ON, why the is there a WEBSITE to block them unless it's to show people "Look how much WE hate Nickleback!" Get a grip. Nickleback are a bad band, but they didn't START as mainstream crap, they were unsigned, worked hard at what they do, they still perservered, and now have an audience of people that DO like their music, and have made a lot of money from it. The comment I agree with most in this thread was from Suckasays when he said "If any band out there isn't trying to make money and become the biggest band in the world then why bother". Selling out only sucks if the band changes themselves, getting big or putting music on Glee (for example) is a smart decision. For example, one of my favourite bands is "fun.". They had a song on Glee a few weeks back and now more people know about them, it's made the band money, and now more people can like them. That's what I want for my favourite bands - for them to be successful. I agree that it's FANTASTIC that the indie-rock style is making a comeback and getting big, and for me I love that folky style music is coming back (the sooner Bon Iver is the biggest artist in the world the better), but let people like what they want :/ /endrant *EDIT* I've just noticed sean that you yourself use Nickleblock (either that or you star out their name in general). Does typing the bands name really suck THAT bad for you that it causes you discomfort or offense? I have no words. SMH
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