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Post by Tim of thee on Feb 9, 2012 15:23:01 GMT -5
you see, that how I see the other three candidates in the race.. they claim to be conservatives but they really aren't I don't necessarily disagree with that. Paul fanboys seem to argue that he's the only true and honest politician out there who has only the people's best interests at heart. Not true. I'm curious because I don't think you ever mentioned it, but who, in politics today, would be your ideal candidate? who in your mind would be a great president?
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Feb 9, 2012 15:43:23 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't think that guy exists. Politics has gotten so bad today that virtually every politician on the national level is either in the pocket of someone or for sale to the highest bidder or both. I am so disillusioned with politics right now it's not even funny. You see some good people at the local level, but I don't think you rise to the national level without being a power hungry bastard. Some people hide it better than others.
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Post by Kliquid on Feb 9, 2012 15:53:10 GMT -5
I feel pretty confident in saying that Ron Paul is not "for sale to the highest bidder."
Look at the house he lives in. Look at his campaign funding. Look at his voting record. Where is all of the corruption?
It's because of this very reason that I even began looking at Ron Paul in the first place.
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Post by Tim of thee on Feb 9, 2012 16:09:37 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't think that guy exists. Politics has gotten so bad today that virtually every politician on the national level is either in the pocket of someone or for sale to the highest bidder or both. I am so disillusioned with politics right now it's not even funny. You see some good people at the local level, but I don't think you rise to the national level without being a power hungry bastard. Some people hide it better than others. ok, since that is the case, make one up what kind of person are you looking for in a candidate?
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Feb 9, 2012 17:02:23 GMT -5
I feel pretty confident in saying that Ron Paul is not "for sale to the highest bidder." Look at the house he lives in. Look at his campaign funding. Look at his voting record. Where is all of the corruption? It's because of this very reason that I even began looking at Ron Paul in the first place. No, he just runs with whatever party he thinks is more likely to garner him votes. Other than that, he's not for sale.
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Post by Kliquid on Feb 9, 2012 17:06:45 GMT -5
I feel pretty confident in saying that Ron Paul is not "for sale to the highest bidder." Look at the house he lives in. Look at his campaign funding. Look at his voting record. Where is all of the corruption? It's because of this very reason that I even began looking at Ron Paul in the first place. No, he just runs with whatever party he thinks is more likely to garner him votes. Other than that, he's not for sale. Like I said on the last page, his policies pretty much run in line with the GOP's official platform. Not to mention, does it really matter what party he runs as? How does that change what he is in any way whatsoever? He's running for the Republican nomination because he knows that it's essentially impossible for a third party candidate to win an election in America. But like I said, how does that change who he is? He's still the same guy, sticking by the same principles, pissing off the same faux conservatives at every turn.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Feb 9, 2012 17:52:02 GMT -5
That's my point. The guy is happy to run under any banner he thinks will get him votes. He's pretending to be a Republican even though he knows he's not one.
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Post by Kliquid on Feb 9, 2012 17:53:18 GMT -5
Again, what part makes him NOT a Republican?
He's more of a Republican, by definition, than anyone running.
Also, again, how does that make him "for sale?" For trying to win? He's not changing his principles. Isn't that what matters?
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Feb 9, 2012 21:18:57 GMT -5
Paul has campaigned for Congressional term limits since the 70s. Yet he's served 12 terms.
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Post by Tim of thee on Feb 9, 2012 21:44:05 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't think that guy exists. Politics has gotten so bad today that virtually every politician on the national level is either in the pocket of someone or for sale to the highest bidder or both. I am so disillusioned with politics right now it's not even funny. You see some good people at the local level, but I don't think you rise to the national level without being a power hungry bastard. Some people hide it better than others. ok, since that is the case, make one up what kind of person are you looking for in a candidate?
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Post by Kliquid on Feb 9, 2012 22:37:44 GMT -5
Paul has campaigned for Congressional term limits since the 70s. Yet he's served 12 terms. So because he abides by the current laws despite disagreeing with them, he's a hypocrite? k. I think I understand what you're saying, but for these minuscule things to be reason you don't support him seems a bit preposterous. Don't get me wrong, I don't think Ron Paul is perfect by any means. There ARE things I disagree with him on. But I think when I support so much of what a person thinks, that it's kind of as close as it's going to get. Unless I run for office, no one's really going to COMPLETELY agree with everything I want. But if I can get 95%, hey, that's close enough for me.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Feb 9, 2012 22:57:29 GMT -5
I don't necessarily disagree with that. Paul fanboys seem to argue that he's the only true and honest politician out there who has only the people's best interests at heart. Not true. I'm curious because I don't think you ever mentioned it, but who, in politics today, would be your ideal candidate? who in your mind would be a great president? My ideal candidate would be someone who was completely transparent and who's main goal in life was to leave me the alone.
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Post by slappy on Feb 9, 2012 23:43:46 GMT -5
I'm curious because I don't think you ever mentioned it, but who, in politics today, would be your ideal candidate? who in your mind would be a great president? My ideal candidate would be someone who was completely transparent and who's main goal in life was to leave me the alone. Then I'm your man. governments. End them all. Anarcho-capitalism is where it's at.
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Post by Kliquid on Feb 10, 2012 11:35:24 GMT -5
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Feb 10, 2012 15:27:12 GMT -5
Paul has campaigned for Congressional term limits since the 70s. Yet he's served 12 terms. So because he abides by the current laws despite disagreeing with them, he's a hypocrite? k. I think I understand what you're saying, but for these minuscule things to be reason you don't support him seems a bit preposterous. Don't get me wrong, I don't think Ron Paul is perfect by any means. There ARE things I disagree with him on. But I think when I support so much of what a person thinks, that it's kind of as close as it's going to get. Unless I run for office, no one's really going to COMPLETELY agree with everything I want. But if I can get 95%, hey, that's close enough for me. So if I advocated a ban on fast food while eating a Baconator, that's not hypocrisy?
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Post by Kliquid on Feb 10, 2012 17:02:44 GMT -5
So if I advocated a ban on fast food while eating a Baconator, that's not hypocrisy? If your grand message is that people should be free to do what they want to do, then yes, that's a bit hypocritical. Term limits are something Ron Paul wants, but I also think it's important to remember that he obviously believes that you also have to play "the game" to get the message across. Thus him running as a Republican. In order to change things, you have to work from within. That's what he's doing. Ron Paul is also for ending the Federal Reserve, but does it make him hypocritical that he still uses dollar bills to pay for things? I guess if you want to look at it that way, every person who goes along with any rule that they disagree with is a hypocrite. Disagree with speed limits but still live within their rules? HYPOCRITE. Think homework is stupid but still do it so you can get a good grade in the class? HYPOCRITE. Let's calm down on the ridiculousness and come to an understanding that Ron Paul is not the perfect messenger. No one ever said he was. But as of right now, he is BY FAR AND AWAY the BEST messenger that we have at that level. It's not close.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Feb 10, 2012 19:30:01 GMT -5
Ron Paul doesn't "play the game". That's the reason he's an outcast in his own party.
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Post by slappy on Feb 10, 2012 19:49:59 GMT -5
A liberal, a moderate, and a conservative walk into a bar. Bartender says, “Hi Mitt!”
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Post by slappy on Feb 10, 2012 21:33:32 GMT -5
Google accidentally posts Maine results a day early. Surprise surprise.
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Post by Halloween King on Feb 10, 2012 22:29:37 GMT -5
This is why it is so painful to deal with you. Right away you turn to name calling. It's like talking to a child. All you need to do now is cover your ears and start to say.... im not listening to you, im not listening to you. You can call my posts moronic all you want. To me you are the moron for supporting that nut job Ron Paul. I don't call Hulk a moron. Why? Because he actually has points. He actually discusses things. You have zero talking points. You just spew bullcrap that you have ADMITTED TO having no idea about. Hulk and I disagree on many issues. TRW and I disagree on many issues. Hell, Slappy and I disagree on many issues (despite us both being in favor of Ron Paul). But all of them - and many others here - actually have an idea of what they're talking about. We might all disagree on the issues, but I think it's pretty much unanimously agreed upon here that you are completely clueless about just about everything you try to talk about. I am not a Republican but I would consider voting for Paul. You're not alone, my friend. This is why Ron Paul, in my opinion, is the only person from the Republican side who could actually beat Barack Obama. This is what makes me laugh. You spew "facts" you get off the Ron Paul website. So really you have no facts because your whole arguement is based on hearsay. You dont live with Ron Paul, neither do I. Neither of us knows whats going on in his mind. Yet since you buy into everything you've heard/read about the man that is positive you have "facts". While me, since I buy into the negative things I've heard come out of his own mouth, im not stating facts. I know you love Ron Paul, and I know everything and anything I say about Ron Paul will seem null and void to you. But I laugh that you talk about facts. See to me it works this way. I dont need to know how much it weighs, what it smells like, what exact color it is, what it was made up of, what stomach it was in before, i dont need any of those facts to know what im looking at is a turd. Same with Ron Paul. I dont need to know what his policys are on every subject. I dont need to know what his past was. I dont need to know what his plans for the future are. I dont need any of that to know I cant stand the man. The difference between you and I is I look at all the sides to things before I state my thoughts. Where as you, you need to see it on Ron Paul dot com before you believe anything. Do what you like, vote for whom you think is best. Just dont act like a baby and start with the Internet tough guy act and call people names.
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