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Post by Wato Stan Account on Feb 27, 2012 20:53:24 GMT -5
Rasmussen? The Conservative polling group being used as a source? lol
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Post by Kliquid on Feb 28, 2012 14:25:15 GMT -5
Rasmussen? The Conservative polling group being used as a source? lol Regardless of EXACTLY WHERE they stand against Obama, I think the key is that Paul polls better against him than Santorum or Gingrich do; and the same as Romney. Not to mention, that will only get better if Paul actually got the nomination.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Feb 28, 2012 17:33:52 GMT -5
Paul has not even been a factor in the election so far so his numbers against Obama (which I don't buy BTW) are completely irrelevant. His message is not one that voters are getting on board with sadly.
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Post by Kliquid on Feb 28, 2012 18:21:20 GMT -5
Paul has not even been a factor in the election so far so his numbers against Obama (which I don't buy BTW) are completely irrelevant. His message is not one that voters are getting on board with sadly. As I've said, I believe he will win three of the states that've happened so far.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Feb 28, 2012 18:42:00 GMT -5
Paul has not even been a factor in the election so far so his numbers against Obama (which I don't buy BTW) are completely irrelevant. His message is not one that voters are getting on board with sadly. As I've said, I believe he will win three of the states that've happened so far. But not because voters are going out and voting for him.
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Post by Kliquid on Feb 28, 2012 19:52:08 GMT -5
I stand by that he was ed out of the straw poll win in Maine.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Feb 28, 2012 22:51:21 GMT -5
As I said before, a strategy that relies on back room politics and not on getting people to come out to the polls to vote for you is a failed strategy from the start.
Anyway, Super Tuesday should be extremely interesting given Romney's wins tonight. I would personally love to see Santorum win just because he and Obama are complete polar opposites. It would make the race more interesting even though Obama is going to win it no matter what.
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Post by Kliquid on Feb 29, 2012 1:39:41 GMT -5
As I said before, a strategy that relies on back room politics and not on getting people to come out to the polls to vote for you is a failed strategy from the start. Anyway, Super Tuesday should be extremely interesting given Romney's wins tonight. I would personally love to see Santorum win just because he and Obama are complete polar opposites. It would make the race more interesting even though Obama is going to win it no matter what. Back room politics:
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Feb 29, 2012 9:04:27 GMT -5
Mitt Romney gets people to come out and vote for him. That's how he wins primaries. Just saying.
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Post by slappy on Feb 29, 2012 12:46:29 GMT -5
Mitt Romney gets people to come out and vote for him. That's how he wins primaries. Just saying. And he should teach them to stay around so they sign up as delegates. RNC made the rules, Paul is playing by them. If they don't like the way Paul is doing it then they can change the rules next time around.
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Post by Kliquid on Feb 29, 2012 13:59:41 GMT -5
With all of the election fraud that has happened in this whole thing... I find it VERY interesting that it has benefited Mitt Romney every single time.
I'm not just talking about Maine, either, where the screwjob was completely blatant... But how about Iowa? How about a state that they had to overturn after the TRUTH came out that a bunch of the "lost" ballots weren't lost at all, and that they all seemed to be areas that Romney lost?
Of course Romney gets people out to vote for him. He's the Republican party's choice for President. He doesn't really have to do any campaigning, the morons who are "undecided" all show up and vote for him because they presume he has the best chance to beat Obama because that's what they've been told by the media. That's not Romney "getting people out to vote." That's the media getting people out to vote.
If Ron Paul, or even Rick Santorum, had that kind of media coverage; this race would be over.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Feb 29, 2012 14:29:04 GMT -5
Romney's strategy - get people to come out and vote for him Santorum's strategy - get people to come out and vote for him Gingrich's strategy - get people to come out and vote for him Paul's strategy - stick around after the election is lost and steal delegates from other candidates
One of these does not belong. One of these is not like the others.
If neither Santorum nor Paul is getting coverage, why is Santorum Romney's biggest competitor right now? It's because his right wing conservative nut job message resonates with certain voters. Paul's libertarian message does not.
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Post by Kliquid on Feb 29, 2012 14:47:06 GMT -5
Yes, Santorum's crazy religious message resonates with crazy religious people. He is openly working with the churches to get people out to vote for him and coincidentally, that's a big block of the voters to begin with.
Santorum is starting to get nearly the coverage that Romney gets now, so I actually expect him to remain Romney's biggest competitor throughout the entire process.
One thing I will give to Rick Santorum is that he has campaigned harder than ANYONE in this election season and it's not even close. The guy is on the road every single day, speaking to people, meeting people, going to town hall meetings, doing all of the little things to squeeze every last drop of votes out of people.
I wish Ron Paul would do that, but he hasn't. Yeah, he has speeches and we've seen huge ones in Michigan and such, but those are the same people he already has as supporters. He's not attracting enough new supporters by busting his ass and getting in front of new people. This, I believe, is the biggest campaign flaw.
I do not believe, as you've said, that people disagree with Ron Paul's liberty message. In fact, the only real criticism I've heard from people (and remember, I've worked directly with the MN GOP to do voter identification) is that they disagree Paul's "foreign policy." Meanwhile, Santorum has been criticized by practically everyone who is not Catholic for his insane religious beliefs, Romney has been criticized by people for creating ObamaCare and not being a true fiscal conservative, Gingrich has been criticized for everything under the sun.
I don't believe it's that the libertarian message doesn't resonate. Republicans inherently want less government for the most part. They just get caught up in this media hysteria that "Ron Paul's foreign policy is scary!"
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Feb 29, 2012 15:03:35 GMT -5
I disagree and I think the polls say as much. If Paul's message is really getting out there and resonating, then why is he not competitive in the popular vote in any of these primaries?
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Post by Kliquid on Feb 29, 2012 15:06:10 GMT -5
Because, like I've said, the media has fear-mongered people into believing that a Paul Presidency would mean that Iran would wipe Israel off the planet AND THEN THEY WOULD COME FOR US!!!!
That, or the media just doesn't cover him whatsoever. That's pretty common, too.
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Post by Kliquid on Feb 29, 2012 15:16:35 GMT -5
The absolute most common thing that I hear from people who don't support Paul (and I'm talking like 90% of people) is, "I really like Paul on all of the fiscal issues. He seems like the most honest guy in the race... But his foreign policy scares me."
The libertarian mindset does resonate with people. Spending less, sticking to the Constitution WORKS. But the media has been able to scare people into thinking that we would be sitting ducks to terrorism if Paul became President.
It's a brilliant plan of theirs, really.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Feb 29, 2012 16:07:59 GMT -5
I go back to Santorum. No one was covering him. The media was painting him as a nutjob and he started winning primaries. Why? Because his message appeals to the voters. God only knows why.
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Post by Kliquid on Feb 29, 2012 17:12:57 GMT -5
I go back to Santorum. No one was covering him. The media was painting him as a nutjob and he started winning primaries. Why? Because his message appeals to the voters. God only knows why. You have your answer. Like I said, Santorum is busting his ass and getting the churches out to vote for him. It was a huge surprise that he was polling a distant third in Iowa the week leading up to the Caucus, and then ended up winning the straw poll... But now we've seen the trend continue because he is working hard and getting the crazy religious people out to vote for him. Except apparently in Michigan, where Romney beat him in that category. No idea how.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Feb 29, 2012 17:36:10 GMT -5
What Santorum is doing is working for him. If Paul wants to gain ground he ought to consider duplicating it in some way. Santorum went from a guy who was broke and ignored by the media to a guy who might be able to unseat Romney. Paul was an also-ran and is still an also-ran. His strategy isn't working at all and he needs to re-think it.
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Post by Kliquid on Feb 29, 2012 17:38:20 GMT -5
I agree, like I said, Santorum is working harder for this than Paul is.
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