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Post by Kliquid on Jan 17, 2012 22:18:50 GMT -5
The Amazing Atheist is a ing intellectually- disabled person. And that's coming from someone who is also an atheist.
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Post by deskjet on Jan 17, 2012 22:39:55 GMT -5
Santorum is an idiot. he did nothing for the sstate of PA and he sure as hell wont do anything for the country
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Post by King Silva on Jan 18, 2012 1:53:06 GMT -5
Pretty much my point Slappy. Say what you want about this being on a very liberal network, but lets call a spade a spade. LOL I don't know why Perry is still in the race either..
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Jan 18, 2012 6:52:11 GMT -5
Obama inherited bush's mess. And what's so wrong with the Bush years? We had more jobs, lower unemployment, a better economy, a lower national debt, respect from foreign nations, no nuclear crisis from Iran and a strong military that didn't face reduction or elimination in the near future. P.S. I would rather take Romney until 2020 than Obama until 2016! BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ahahahahahahahahaha hehehe lol Bush had NO respect from foreign nations, everyone thought that he was a complete idiot and that if the US could elect him then Americans couldn't be much better. I'm not saying you guys are stupid, 'cos you're not, but that was definately the majority view coming from most of the world.
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Post by Kliquid on Jan 18, 2012 11:52:31 GMT -5
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Post by Adam on Jan 19, 2012 10:05:39 GMT -5
Rumor has it that Perry is dropping out of the race today (and possibly endorsing Gingrich).
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Jan 19, 2012 10:10:59 GMT -5
Just saw that. Perry tapping out and giving his support to Gingrich. Goes back to one of the things I said about Paul earlier. He doesn't seem to attract more people. Guys give up and endorse one of the other candidates, but not Paul. We've seen several drop out so far (Bachmann, Huntsman, Perry) and none of them have endorsed Paul.
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Post by Adam on Jan 19, 2012 10:34:18 GMT -5
Also, Santorum has beaten Mr. Inevitable in the Iowa caucuses after the official count.
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Post by slappy on Jan 19, 2012 12:00:14 GMT -5
Just saw that. Perry tapping out and giving his support to Gingrich. Goes back to one of the things I said about Paul earlier. He doesn't seem to attract more people. Guys give up and endorse one of the other candidates, but not Paul. We've seen several drop out so far (Bachmann, Huntsman, Perry) and none of them have endorsed Paul. Maybe because they all want war with Iran, want the NDAA, want the Patriot Act, want some income tax, support the Federal Reserve (though Perry is coming around) and don't actually want to cut spending. Paul does not line up with their views so they aren't going to endorse him.
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Post by Kliquid on Jan 19, 2012 12:16:19 GMT -5
Just saw that. Perry tapping out and giving his support to Gingrich. Goes back to one of the things I said about Paul earlier. He doesn't seem to attract more people. Guys give up and endorse one of the other candidates, but not Paul. We've seen several drop out so far (Bachmann, Huntsman, Perry) and none of them have endorsed Paul. Certainly that is to be expected, with Perry endorsing Gingrich. The only person dropping out who would have supported Paul is Gary Johnson and Johnson is running on his own ticket. Then again, if Paul were to win the nomination, he would drop out himself. These other people are all just different heads on the same body. They go up on stage and argue back and forth, but they're all essentially for the majority of the same things. Ron Paul shakes that up. He stands up and destroys their ridiculous bullcrap in front of the world on the debates. Of course they're not going to endorse him. He's a threat to their very being. That said, Paul's numbers continue to rise. They've gone up steadily since the beginning. His way of gaining supporters isn't through the endorsement of other, failed candidates. It's through getting his message out. FREEDOM is popular and he opens more eyes every day. How many FORMER Ron Paul supporters do you know who now support someone like Newt Gingrich? Probably none. That should go to show you something. His support isn't going anywhere. It's only getting stronger. Will he win? It's unlikely. But he's in it for the long haul. Also, Santorum has beaten Mr. Inevitable in the Iowa caucuses after the official count. By the way, this has absolutely zero effect on the actual thing that matters, which is the delegates. Remember, Mike Huckabee "won" Iowa in the previous election and received zero delegates from the state.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Jan 19, 2012 12:19:01 GMT -5
Paul isn't a uniter though. He's a divider. Clearly his own party won't support him for a variety of reasons.
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Post by Quanthor on Jan 19, 2012 12:28:02 GMT -5
Paul isn't a uniter though. He's a divider. Clearly his own party won't support him for a variety of reasons. That is a concern. He could be the lamest of all lame duck presidents if elected. Either that, or he's gonna have to do things that would go against his beliefs.
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Post by slappy on Jan 19, 2012 12:40:57 GMT -5
Paul isn't a uniter though. He's a divider. Clearly his own party won't support him for a variety of reasons. Which is why he's polling neck and neck with Obama? CNN - Obama 48 Paul 46 (+/- 3%) Paul 49 Obama 45 CBS - Obama 46 Paul 42 (+/- 3%) Paul 45 Obama 43 PPP - Obama 47 Paul 42 (+/- 3.7%) Paul 45.7 Obama 43.3 Rasmussen - Obama 43 Paul 37 (+/- 3%) Paul 40 Obama 40 He's polling within the margin of error.
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Post by Kliquid on Jan 19, 2012 12:41:13 GMT -5
Paul isn't a uniter though. He's a divider. Clearly his own party won't support him for a variety of reasons. Quite honestly, that's what America needs right now. Someone who's not just going to play by the two party system rules. The rules are what has gotten us in such poop. Also, I think you're overestimating how many people actually pay attention to what the is going on. A good number of people just vote for who the party is telling them to vote for. See Santorum in Iowa. As every poll has shown, Paul has every bit as good of a chance to beat Obama as anyone else in the field does. In fact, his numbers are higher than everyone's but Romney's, and he's in a statistical dead-heat with Romney in that area... And that's with the perception being pounded down our throats that he "can't win."
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Post by Adam on Jan 19, 2012 12:57:57 GMT -5
By the way, this has absolutely zero effect on the actual thing that matters, which is the delegates. Remember, Mike Huckabee "won" Iowa in the previous election and received zero delegates from the state. No, I agree. I was actually joking about the media's portrayal of Romney simply walking into the general election. So far, he tied/lost to a social issues suck-up that has little organization and probably not enough money to carry on in the long haul. Then he unanimously won NH, practically his home turf and now they're ready to call it a "wrap" after only 2 out of 50 states have voted.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Jan 19, 2012 12:58:34 GMT -5
Because people see Paul as the "none of the above" candidate.
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Post by kingrey4 on Jan 19, 2012 13:09:42 GMT -5
In my dream Mitt Romney won...lets see if it comes true.
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Post by Adam on Jan 19, 2012 13:36:01 GMT -5
Because people see Paul as the "none of the above" candidate. If by some miracle Paul won the nomination, who would they vote for? Would they stay at home and let Obama have another 4 years?
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Jan 19, 2012 18:44:52 GMT -5
Because people see Paul as the "none of the above" candidate. If by some miracle Paul won the nomination, who would they vote for? Would they stay at home and let Obama have another 4 years? If Paul won, the numbers would tilt heavily in Obama's favor as more people learned about Paul. He'd also likely split the Republican party and you'd see a guy like Romney or Gingrich run as a legit 3rd party who would take 15-20% of the vote.
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Post by slappy on Jan 19, 2012 18:52:07 GMT -5
If by some miracle Paul won the nomination, who would they vote for? Would they stay at home and let Obama have another 4 years? If Paul won, the numbers would tilt heavily in Obama's favor as more people learned about Paul. He'd also likely split the Republican party and you'd see a guy like Romney or Gingrich run as a legit 3rd party who would take 15-20% of the vote. Look at the polls I posted. He wouldn't split the party. The party would vote for him.
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