Razor-toothed™
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Joined on: Jun 1, 2012 2:05:43 GMT -5
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Post by Razor-toothed™ on Oct 4, 2012 15:34:52 GMT -5
Source? I gave one for mine. You just type words and think people will buy it. 4.5 million jobs have been created. That's more jobs than this country had when George Bush left us in Hell. And whether or not you want to believe it, the economy is better than what ol' GW left us. Unemployment is - while still high - around 9%. If the policies of Bush had been continued by President Obama, before the end of his first year, the national unemployment rate would have been at 20% or very damn close. George Bush f*cked this country up royally over 8 years. It's been 3 1/2, a little longer, since President Obama was sworn in. You can't fix 8 years of f*ck ups in 3 1/2. It's not logical. It's plain and simple not possible. Sources are everywhere so go read them. Unemployment rate is higher now than in 2008. I'm aware its not logical change things in 4 years but to PROMISE that he would make more jobs and fix the economy in 4 years is very dumb on his part. He PROMISED he would fix everything in 4 years and if he didn't he'd be a one term president. None of his 4 year promises came true. All politicians make promises they can't keep. |
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Oct 4, 2012 19:15:34 GMT -5
Sources are everywhere so go read them. Unemployment rate is higher now than in 2008. I'm aware its not logical change things in 4 years but to PROMISE that he would make more jobs and fix the economy in 4 years is very dumb on his part. He PROMISED he would fix everything in 4 years and if he didn't he'd be a one term president. None of his 4 year promises came true. All politicians make promises they can't keep. I'm aware of this but this guy is trying to tell me that since Obama has been president that unemployment has gone down. Lets be serious. |
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Oct 5, 2012 0:44:20 GMT -5
All politicians make promises they can't keep. I'm aware of this but this guy is trying to tell me that since Obama has been president that unemployment has gone down. Lets be serious. Let's be serious then, shall we? www.deptofnumbers.com/unemployment/us/If you don't want to click the link, here's the graph.  Halfway, give or take, between the 2008 and 2010 lines is when President Obama was sworn into office. You can see that it peaks in late 2009 - October, according to the site. But since that time, it has steadily gone down, with a few hiccups. But this clearly shows that the unemployment rate HAS dropped since President Obama was sworn in. And the figure of 23,000,000 people out of work? I really have no clue where Romney pulled that from, but the actual number is slightly over 50% of what Romney claims; 12-12.5 million actually. |
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Oct 5, 2012 2:00:02 GMT -5
Unemployment rate is higher now than in 2008. I don't need to post anything to prove it. Its everywhere.
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Oct 5, 2012 2:37:44 GMT -5
All politicians make promises they can't keep. I'm aware of this but this guy is trying to tell me that since Obama has been president that unemployment has gone down. Lets be serious. What did you say right there? Lemme post it again for you to see it more clearly in case you can't. All politicians make promises they can't keep. I'm aware of this but this guy is trying to tell me that since Obama has been president that unemployment has gone down. Lets be serious. You are saying here that unemployment has not lowered. When the proof is in bla....well, blue and white right in front of your face that it has gone down. I said that yeah, it spiked in 2009. But President Obama had been in office for a mere 9 months at that point. So the cause of that unemployment spike - hate to break it to you - it was not his fault. And he HAS BROUGHT THE RATE DOWN! And jobs are NOT at an all-time low. That's a load of BS and you know it. This isn't the 1930's, and we're not in the Great Depression. The unemployment rate in that time period was as high as 25%. 25%!!!! To put it in perspective, 1 in 4 people were out of work. Now, as in TODAY, the rate is 1 in less than every 10 people is out of work. That's high, absolutely, and it could definitely go down a few more percentage points. But if you can sit here and say that the job count in this country is so low that the unemployment rate has been at 25% since President Obama has taken office, then you are just as blind and oblivious to the true facts as Mitt Romney is. Which is fitting because of this: Unemployment rate is higher now than in 2008. I don't need to post anything to prove it. Its everywhere. You don't need to post anything to prove what you're saying? Sounds like the Republican party to me. Say things enough times, eventually someone will have to start believing it, right? And according to the graph - THE PROOF FOR MY ARGUMENT - the unemployment rate NOW is at just about the very same point it was when President Obama took office - it may be a tick higher, talking a tenth of a percentage point OR LESS. |
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Post by Kliquid on Oct 5, 2012 3:59:16 GMT -5
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Post by Halloween King on Oct 5, 2012 10:28:25 GMT -5
So is the president directly responsible for the fuel prices?
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Oct 5, 2012 10:47:51 GMT -5
Underemployed does NOT mean you are unemployed. So that part is dismissed right there.
And the reports just in this morning show the unemployment rate in September dropped to 7.8%. So it's fallen even further.
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Post by Kliquid on Oct 5, 2012 12:06:33 GMT -5
So is the president directly responsible for the fuel prices? Not exactly, but in some ways, yes. |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Oct 5, 2012 14:02:54 GMT -5
I'm aware of this but this guy is trying to tell me that since Obama has been president that unemployment has gone down. Lets be serious. Let's be serious then, shall we? www.deptofnumbers.com/unemployment/us/If you don't want to click the link, here's the graph. Halfway, give or take, between the 2008 and 2010 lines is when President Obama was sworn into office. You can see that it peaks in late 2009 - October, according to the site. But since that time, it has steadily gone down, with a few hiccups. But this clearly shows that the unemployment rate HAS dropped since President Obama was sworn in. And the figure of 23,000,000 people out of work? I really have no clue where Romney pulled that from, but the actual number is slightly over 50% of what Romney claims; 12-12.5 million actually. I'm not entirely sure why there is so much debate on this subject since have hard numbers on it. Obama was sworn in in January of 2009. In January of 2009 the unemployment rate was 7.8% according to the Department of Labor. That is what he started with. Now the rate (by the same source) is 7.8%. During his term it went up significantly and now has come back down, but it's basically unchanged overall. Do we need more than that? |
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Post by Kliquid on Oct 6, 2012 3:39:33 GMT -5
Well yes, because those numbers don't tell the whole story of what the "true" unemployment numbers are in the country right now.
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Post by Kliquid on Oct 6, 2012 8:47:13 GMT -5
Ben Swann is a great man.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Oct 6, 2012 10:10:28 GMT -5
Well yes, because those numbers don't tell the whole story of what the "true" unemployment numbers are in the country right now. Underemployment numbers are always run out by the party that's not in power. You never see the party in charge referring to them or anyone else really. |
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Post by Airwave on Oct 6, 2012 10:11:51 GMT -5
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Post by Kliquid on Oct 6, 2012 11:10:53 GMT -5
Well yes, because those numbers don't tell the whole story of what the "true" unemployment numbers are in the country right now. Underemployment numbers are always run out by the party that's not in power. You never see the party in charge referring to them or anyone else really. Oh, I know. It's a party game. But in a long stay of economic depression, it's not just "underemployment," it's unrecorded unemployment that really spikes the REAL numbers. |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Oct 6, 2012 11:19:35 GMT -5
Underemployment numbers are always run out by the party that's not in power. You never see the party in charge referring to them or anyone else really. Oh, I know. It's a party game. But in a long stay of economic depression, it's not just "underemployment," it's unrecorded unemployment that really spikes the REAL numbers. Also numbers that are never used by anyone other than the opposition party. |
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Post by Kliquid on Oct 6, 2012 11:23:43 GMT -5
I'm not for either party. I'm for actual information, not time-sensitive stats that don't tell the whole story. People deserve to be informed, no matter who the President is.
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Oct 6, 2012 12:17:02 GMT -5
I'm not for either party. I'm for actual information, not time-sensitive stats that don't tell the whole story. People deserve to be informed, no matter who the President is. And the information that counts in the UNEMPLOYMENT NUMBER, the information that tells the whole story IS the 7.8% number. Underemployed is NOT unemployed. No matter how you spin it, the UNEMPLOYMENT rate in this country is 7.8%. |
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Oct 6, 2012 12:20:31 GMT -5
Yup. It's the same as it was when Obama took office. So we are no better and no worse although Romney could accurately argue that unemployment soared during Obama's term and has only recently trended downward.
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Post by Halloween King on Oct 6, 2012 15:45:22 GMT -5
Honestly I feel Obama has failed us. He took office promising change and has yet to change anything.
And Romney is a total snake. He doesnt even pretend to be a good guy. And then the balls on that guy to go on national television and pledge to end pbs.
I feel this election is like choosing eating poop or drink pee. You have to pick one, you dont want either but you have to pick.
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