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Post by Kliquid on Nov 9, 2012 11:41:02 GMT -5
If Santorum would've stayed in the race, the RNC would've been a riot :-D
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Post by Kliquid on Nov 9, 2012 12:16:21 GMT -5
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Post by Tim of thee on Nov 9, 2012 14:35:08 GMT -5
If the Republicans want to further remove themselves from power that is certainly one way to go about things. The Moral Majority has gotten louder, but also smaller. I don't think the Republicans get it. I think they have really, really lost touch with the average American. The Democrats have their whack job fringe like any other party, but they keep them under control and they don't dictate party policy. I disagree with a crap ton of stuff the Democrats come up with, but they do keep their fringe in check. One thing that is holding the Libertarians back is that they let the fringe basically run the party. There was a Libertarian who ran for Congress here and every single question he was asked he took back to the Federal Reserve and harped about how that was the most important issue we are facing. The Reserve must be audited. That's not something that's going to resound with anyone in the mainstream as this country has far, far bigger problems. Two years ago the local Libertarians ran a guy who's main campaign issue was legalizing drugs. Again, this doesn't relate at all to the common man on the street and we have way bigger problems to solve in this country. The Republicans are moving that direction I think. If Santorum had stayed in it he could've caused problems for Romney at the convention if he wanted to. That fact alone shows that the fringe of the party has too much power. I completely disagree. They just couldn't explain their positions properly to the people. Romney only lost the popular vote by 3 million votes. Not exactly a landslide.
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Post by T R W on Nov 9, 2012 14:45:48 GMT -5
I don't think the Republicans get it. I think they have really, really lost touch with the average American. The Democrats have their whack job fringe like any other party, but they keep them under control and they don't dictate party policy. I disagree with a crap ton of stuff the Democrats come up with, but they do keep their fringe in check. One thing that is holding the Libertarians back is that they let the fringe basically run the party. There was a Libertarian who ran for Congress here and every single question he was asked he took back to the Federal Reserve and harped about how that was the most important issue we are facing. The Reserve must be audited. That's not something that's going to resound with anyone in the mainstream as this country has far, far bigger problems. Two years ago the local Libertarians ran a guy who's main campaign issue was legalizing drugs. Again, this doesn't relate at all to the common man on the street and we have way bigger problems to solve in this country. The Republicans are moving that direction I think. If Santorum had stayed in it he could've caused problems for Romney at the convention if he wanted to. That fact alone shows that the fringe of the party has too much power. I completely disagree. They just couldn't explain their positions properly to the people. Romney only lost the popular vote by 3 million votes. Not exactly a landslide. You think the religious right doesn't hold too much power in the Republican party?
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Post by T R W on Nov 9, 2012 14:53:09 GMT -5
Here Here! I just hope that more republicans come to this realization sooner than later.
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Post by Tim of thee on Nov 9, 2012 14:54:37 GMT -5
I completely disagree. They just couldn't explain their positions properly to the people. Romney only lost the popular vote by 3 million votes. Not exactly a landslide. You think the religious right doesn't hold too much power in the Republican party? I was simply disagreeing that republicans have lost touch because the popular vote showed a very close race. It's about campaigning and explaining your ideas to people. The democrats had a terrific ground game and they connected their ideas to the people more efficiently than the Republicans did.
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Post by robinsonben36 on Nov 9, 2012 15:02:27 GMT -5
To me, the Republican ticket this election was full of non-solutions, bigotry and ignorance. Not to say that Republicans as a whole are that way, but I feel like Obama lost more votes than Romney earned (i.e. more people voted against Obama than in support of Romney/Ryan) and the fact that there is a two-party ticket meant that by default, Romney would get close to half of the votes.
I think a serious re-tooling of the party's image and ideals needs to be done if they want to win it in 2016, unless the Democratic party offers a horrible candidate.
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Post by Jimmy on Nov 9, 2012 15:41:02 GMT -5
Funny enough, had mittens run following a 'smaller, simpler, smarter' method maybe he would have won
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Post by Kliquid on Nov 9, 2012 16:42:47 GMT -5
To me, the Republican ticket this election was full of non-solutions, bigotry and ignorance. Not to say that Republicans as a whole are that way, but I feel like Obama lost more votes than Romney earned (i.e. more people voted against Obama than in support of Romney/Ryan) and the fact that there is a two-party ticket meant that by default, Romney would get close to half of the votes. I think a serious re-tooling of the party's image and ideals needs to be done if they want to win it in 2016, unless the Democratic party offers a horrible candidate. Agreed. They need to run to the left of the Democrats on civil liberty issues.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Nov 9, 2012 18:04:16 GMT -5
To me, the Republican ticket this election was full of non-solutions, bigotry and ignorance. Not to say that Republicans as a whole are that way, but I feel like Obama lost more votes than Romney earned (i.e. more people voted against Obama than in support of Romney/Ryan) and the fact that there is a two-party ticket meant that by default, Romney would get close to half of the votes. I think a serious re-tooling of the party's image and ideals needs to be done if they want to win it in 2016, unless the Democratic party offers a horrible candidate. Agreed. They need to run to the left of the Democrats on civil liberty issues. Don't agree with that at all. They need to stop running to the extreme right on said issues.
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Post by Kliquid on Nov 9, 2012 21:25:26 GMT -5
If a Republican would just be COMPLETELY against the in' drug war, that alone would pull a lot of democrats over.
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Post by Adam on Nov 9, 2012 21:32:45 GMT -5
They're on different sides of civil liberties? News to me.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Nov 9, 2012 21:35:03 GMT -5
If a Republican would just be COMPLETELY against the in' drug war, that alone would pull a lot of democrats over. But would also completely alienate the Republican base as well.
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Post by Kliquid on Nov 9, 2012 21:44:04 GMT -5
If a Republican would just be COMPLETELY against the in' drug war, that alone would pull a lot of democrats over. But would also completely alienate the Republican base as well. Not enough to make them vote for a Democrat, I'm going to guess. It's incrementalism. Ron Paul was obviously too big of a step. They're on different sides of civil liberties? News to me. No, they AREN'T. That's the problem. If they DID run someone that was further left than the Democrats on a few *key* issues, though, that would solve this problem. The reality that not many people are talking about is that minority populations are growing. It's taboo to talk about, but everyone knows that minorities tend to vote Democrat. Why is that? Well, because they see these old, racist pieces of crapin office and say " that guy." What if they had a guy they could actually gravitate to on some issues? There's a reason that Ron Paul polled best among any of the Republican candidates when it came to the minority vote. The percentage of white people in America is only dropping. I'm not saying that's a problem - I'm fine with it. But for the Republican party to survive, it DOES mean that it's going to have to change its gameplan. It does need to reach out to the minorities. Getting out the "white" vote only isn't going to do it anymore.
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Post by Jimmy on Nov 9, 2012 22:50:16 GMT -5
It's taboo to talk about, but everyone knows that minorities tend to vote Democrat. Why is that? Well, because they see these old, racist pieces of crap in office and say " that guy." But the conservative media is telling me that it is because they want free stuff.
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Post by BCizzle on Nov 9, 2012 23:00:18 GMT -5
It's taboo to talk about, but everyone knows that minorities tend to vote Democrat. Why is that? Well, because they see these old, racist pieces of crap in office and say " that guy." But the conservative media is telling me that it is because they want free stuff. Exactly. These poor people are all just takers who want money for nothing. They don't want to work a day if their life. Unlike these hard working rich folk, who would never think of deceiving or cheating others or screwing people out of money or ripping people off or any other immoral behavior. Who would never mistreat people just to squeeze every last buck out of folks. Who certainly would never be involved in any sort of Wall Street shenanigans or sub-prime mortgage schemes. The good people of America.
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Post by Adam on Nov 10, 2012 10:26:43 GMT -5
No, they AREN'T. That's the problem. If they DID run someone that was further left than the Democrats on a few *key* issues, though, that would solve this problem. (I'm hoping) You got my sarcasm on that one. Problem is they can't run that way on some of the "key" issues because special interests have them by the throat (as Democrats do too).
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Post by J12 on Nov 10, 2012 11:19:34 GMT -5
This is semi-unrelated, but election time always brings out the absolute best out of the uneducated public on Facebook. Anyone have any gems from their friends list they'd like to share about this week of politics? Here are a few of my favorites... "My president is black, again. ." "All the lazy piece's of crap on welfare must of gotten out of bed for once just to vote for this terrorist. Idiots. If you have a job and you voted for Obama, you deserve to be shot." "We have a black president and fags can get married, time to move to Canada." "Not voting until there's a question about making weed legal." "If you vote for gay marriage you're committing a sin that god will never forgive you for, just sayin'. No on 1, queer is just wrong." "Why are we voting on marriage for queers? Let me kno when pot is on our ballot." "Everyone shut up about these Ron Paul and Gary Johnson guys, seriously. If they were legit candidates, then why hasn't anybody heard of them? If you vote for either one of these idiots, you might as well just not vote. Morons." As always when it comes to Facebook, I use the term "friend" lightly. Anyone else have any gems?
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Post by Adam on Nov 10, 2012 13:35:05 GMT -5
These came from a friend of mine. I actually thought they were pretty funny.
"Welcome to America, where personal success doesn't matter because someone needs a new pair of Uggs."
"The first Obama supporter who complains about to much tax getting taken out of their paycheck gets a punch in the face."
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Post by Wato Stan Account on Nov 10, 2012 14:55:14 GMT -5
I think what I find silly about the after effects of the election is that they try to find ways to bring the Republican party back. Instead of discussing the idea of maybe start giving third party candidates time. It's ridiculous how they continue to promote two parties who have just as much of a fun time screwing things up as the other does. Let third parties get coverage and give people options. Screw "saving" a party, let them fall for not catching on sooner. They appear like a box of crazy racists to a lot of people.
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