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Post by Greg Weinstein on Jan 15, 2012 21:39:11 GMT -5
I didn't choose to be gay. I didn't wake up one morning and decide to be gay. Could you decide to be gay? I suppose I could, but I don't want to be gay. Your anecdotal evidence regarding your own experiences means nothing to me. That's ridiculous. It's not a choice. I didn't "choose" to be heterosexual. It's the circle of life, there's a scientific reason why men are aroused by women and vice versa. Reproduction wouldn't be possible otherwise.
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Post by comintogetcha on Jan 15, 2012 21:55:06 GMT -5
I suppose I could, but I don't want to be gay. Your anecdotal evidence regarding your own experiences means nothing to me. That's ridiculous. It's not a choice. I didn't "choose" to be heterosexual. It's the circle of life, there's a scientific reason why men are aroused by women and vice versa. Reproduction wouldn't be possible otherwise. How do you know it isn't a choice? I certainly don't know, and that's all it is that I'm saying. If the science dudes that study and research this stuff aren't even sure, what chance do any of us have of knowing if it is or not?
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Post by Greg Weinstein on Jan 15, 2012 22:32:40 GMT -5
That's ridiculous. It's not a choice. I didn't "choose" to be heterosexual. It's the circle of life, there's a scientific reason why men are aroused by women and vice versa. Reproduction wouldn't be possible otherwise. How do you know it isn't a choice? I certainly don't know, and that's all it is that I'm saying. If the science dudes that study and research this stuff aren't even sure, what chance do any of us have of knowing if it is or not? Choice nounAn act of selecting or making a decision when faced with two or more possibilities. ____ I never considered me being sexually attracted to men a possibility. Therefore, I made no choice.
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Post by comintogetcha on Jan 15, 2012 23:27:28 GMT -5
How do you know it isn't a choice? I certainly don't know, and that's all it is that I'm saying. If the science dudes that study and research this stuff aren't even sure, what chance do any of us have of knowing if it is or not? Choice nounAn act of selecting or making a decision when faced with two or more possibilities. ____ I never considered me being sexually attracted to men a possibility. Therefore, I made no choice. I'm done with this. Anecdotal evidence is not real evidence of anything, other than evidence of your own personal experience. If you want to continue this argument, bring it to the other thread, I don't want to repeat myself.
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Post by Kliquid on Jan 15, 2012 23:32:41 GMT -5
It's not anecdotal evidence.
If YOU can't CHOOSE to be attracted to men, then you are proving what you are saying wrong. What part of that is so hard for you to comprehend?
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Post by comintogetcha on Jan 15, 2012 23:59:31 GMT -5
It's not anecdotal evidence. If YOU can't CHOOSE to be attracted to men, then you are proving what you are saying wrong. What part of that is so hard for you to comprehend? It most certainly is anecdotal evidence. Whether I can or can not choose to be attracted to men is irrelevant, because that too would be anecdotal evidence. Just because you bought a Ford, and it was the greatest car you've ever owned, and it never broke down, doesn't mean that Ford is the greatest car company in existence and they never break down.
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Post by Greg Weinstein on Jan 16, 2012 0:54:00 GMT -5
It's not anecdotal evidence. If YOU can't CHOOSE to be attracted to men, then you are proving what you are saying wrong. What part of that is so hard for you to comprehend? It most certainly is anecdotal evidence. Whether I can or can not choose to be attracted to men is irrelevant, because that too would be anecdotal evidence. Just because you bought a Ford, and it was the greatest car you've ever owned, and it never broke down, doesn't mean that Ford is the greatest car company in existence and they never break down. No it's not. If 92% - 95% of the world's human population are heterosexual, there is nothing anecdotal about it.
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Post by comintogetcha on Jan 16, 2012 1:02:01 GMT -5
It most certainly is anecdotal evidence. Whether I can or can not choose to be attracted to men is irrelevant, because that too would be anecdotal evidence. Just because you bought a Ford, and it was the greatest car you've ever owned, and it never broke down, doesn't mean that Ford is the greatest car company in existence and they never break down. No it's not. If 92% - 95% of the world's human population are heterosexual, there is nothing anecdotal about it. What the hell are you talking about?
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Post by Greg Weinstein on Jan 16, 2012 1:15:44 GMT -5
No it's not. If 92% - 95% of the world's human population are heterosexual, there is nothing anecdotal about it. What the hell are you talking about? You are throwing that term ("anecdotal evidence") out there because there isn't any known scientific data that supports a choice was or wasn't made. You continually choose to ignore the studies and statistics that can be supportive in showing that homosexuality is not a choice - that it is nature and not nurture. Hey MaxMoves, prove to me the Spaghetti Monster is not hiding in your closet right now. Oh you can't... but insist it isn't. Must be nothing more than anecdotal evidence.
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Post by comintogetcha on Jan 16, 2012 1:29:16 GMT -5
What the hell are you talking about? You are throwing that term ("anecdotal evidence") out there because there isn't any known scientific data that supports a choice was or wasn't made. You continually choose to ignore the studies and statistics that can be supportive in showing that homosexuality is not a choice - that it is nature and not nurture. Hey MaxMoves, prove to me the Spaghetti Monster is not hiding in your closet right now. Oh you can't... but insist it isn't. Must be nothing more than anecdotal evidence. But you can prove empirically what is and is not in your closet. How do you empirically prove whether or not someone chooses to do something? Do you even understand what anecdotal evidence is? I don't think you do, because I can show you pictures of my closet and you can see whether or not there are monsters in there, there's nothing anecdotal about it.
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Post by Greg Weinstein on Jan 16, 2012 2:02:55 GMT -5
You are throwing that term ("anecdotal evidence") out there because there isn't any known scientific data that supports a choice was or wasn't made. You continually choose to ignore the studies and statistics that can be supportive in showing that homosexuality is not a choice - that it is nature and not nurture. Hey MaxMoves, prove to me the Spaghetti Monster is not hiding in your closet right now. Oh you can't... but insist it isn't. Must be nothing more than anecdotal evidence. But you can prove empirically what is and is not in your closet. How do you empirically prove whether or not someone chooses to do something? Do you even understand what anecdotal evidence is? I don't think you do, because I can show you pictures of my closet and you can see whether or not there are monsters in there, there's nothing anecdotal about it. Yes, I do. If 100% of heterosexual people claim they did not choose to be that way, you would label it as anecdotal evidence because it only pertains to them (albeit from 6+ billion individuals) and insist it may have had to do with how they were raised (or whatever it was you were saying about a "subconscious choice"). Your whole premise for your argument is that one can't prove definitively (scientifically) that they didn't "choose" their sexual orientation. I can be absurd and and ask you to prove to me that the Spaghetti Monster, which can become invisible, thus not easily observable, is not hiding in your closet.
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Post by comintogetcha on Jan 16, 2012 11:45:06 GMT -5
But you can prove empirically what is and is not in your closet. How do you empirically prove whether or not someone chooses to do something? Do you even understand what anecdotal evidence is? I don't think you do, because I can show you pictures of my closet and you can see whether or not there are monsters in there, there's nothing anecdotal about it. Yes, I do. If 100% of heterosexual people claim they did not choose to be that way, you would label it as anecdotal evidence because it only pertains to them (albeit from 6+ billion individuals) and insist it may have had to do with how they were raised (or whatever it was you were saying about a "subconscious choice"). Your whole premise for your argument is that one can't prove definitively (scientifically) that they didn't "choose" their sexual orientation. I can be absurd and and ask you to prove to me that the Spaghetti Monster, which can become invisible, thus not easily observable, is not hiding in your closet. Just because 6 billion people say it does not change the definition of anecdotal evidence. Did you poll every person on earth and ask them whether or not they chose to be gay or straight? I can guarantee you that 100% of people won't say no. As far as monsters in your closet. A. You're the one making the claim, the burden of proof is on you to prove there are monsters there, not on me to prove that there aren't. and B. Nothing is "invisible" at least not according to science. Even if something cannot be seen with the naked eye, it can still be measured and detected in some fashion.
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