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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2012 12:46:45 GMT -5
I am certainly pro-gay rights, pro-gay marriage, etc.; at the same time, I am also tolerant of certain levels of people that aren't, in that I don't know if they can control that either. I do believe that biological factors have to come into play at least most of the time in molding individuals' sexual orientation, but at the same time, tolerance of "new" ideas might be biological too. A lot of people in rural America, who descend from immigrants from rural Ireland, Germany, etc. were farmers, etc. who came from a certain mindset and view of the world - keeping to traditions, old ways of living, thinking, religion, etc. Really, it's not THAT big of a deal that they are that way, but to me I don't know if they can control that either. Perhaps in a sense it is genetic, a belief that the world has to be inhabited by humans in a traditional way, without being able to skew from that. Could it be possible that though people are born gay, homophobes are also born homophobic, and can't change that either?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2012 13:24:11 GMT -5
I don't know, I can't imagine so, I had never even knew what gay meant until I was about 12. The thought of two men or two women had never crossed my mind until I heard what it was at secondary school.
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Post by juicewinslow on Jan 11, 2012 13:54:35 GMT -5
I think it's more about ignorance and who helped raise you.
ie: If your dad is throwing around the word "f*ggot" all the time when you are a kid... you are likely to think of gay people negatively.
You're not born to hate. It's the things around you that influence your train of thought.
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Post by slappy on Jan 11, 2012 13:55:29 GMT -5
You're not born to hate. It's the things around you that influence your train of thought. |
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Post by P@ul on Jan 11, 2012 14:01:03 GMT -5
You're not born to hate. It's the things around you that influence your train of thought. Bingo. |
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Post by noir on Jan 11, 2012 14:20:31 GMT -5
I don't think so. I think if people are homophobic, it's because of upbringing and social conditioning. I mean, my beliefs lie on the 'nurture' side of the nature/nurture debate in that I think for the most part, we are born a completely blank slate, and our identities are shaped from then on (obviously this isn't true for everyone, but most).
Saying that, I do think brain chemistry does have some effect. I mean, something like empathy must be neurological and I think people's abilities to empathise with others greatly determines whether they are homophobic. Much like people who are racist. It's sort of a 'us' and 'them' mindset, as opposed to 'we are all human' and I think that concept is definitely grounded in biological makeup. Still, I have about as much time for people who are homophobic, as I do who are racist, sexist etc.
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Post by alexgg on Jan 11, 2012 14:20:33 GMT -5
You're not born to hate. It's the things around you that influence your train of thought. I like trains. |
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Post by Kliquid on Jan 11, 2012 14:31:48 GMT -5
You're not born to hate. It's the things around you that influence your train of thought. This 100%. |
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Post by k5 on Jan 11, 2012 14:34:24 GMT -5
people are born naturally curious of anything different, not damning though.
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Post by carling27 on Jan 11, 2012 14:42:01 GMT -5
people don't inherit thoughts, opinions and memories so of course people aren't born that way.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jan 11, 2012 14:42:41 GMT -5
No. People are influence by those around them. It's just like little kids go to school regurgitating the same things they hear their parents say at home around the house.
People have the ability to make their own decisions and decide for themselves.....but the large majority of people are products of their environment. If they grow up around hate, are raised to be hateful toward something or a certain type of people, then there is a large possibility that they will mirror those actions and feelings.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2012 15:42:59 GMT -5
Good replies my friends. I guess the ultimate answer to nature vs. nurture, would be found if we took a kid born into a homophobic family in a town in Eastern Kentucky of 20 people and see if, after being adopted at birth by a progressive family from San Francisco, he'd end being a homophobe anyway or not.
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Post by Roadie Codes on Jan 11, 2012 15:58:51 GMT -5
I think it has to do with your parents and surroundings.
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Post by demolitionman on Jan 11, 2012 15:59:45 GMT -5
You're not born to hate. It's the things around you that influence your train of thought. This 100%. This. |
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Post by King Clayton of the MidWest on Jan 11, 2012 16:34:15 GMT -5
You're not born to hate. It's the things around you that influence your train of thought. Right on the mother  ing mark. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2012 17:44:30 GMT -5
You're not born to hate. It's the things around you that influence your train of thought. |
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Post by JC Motors on Jan 11, 2012 18:02:41 GMT -5
Nope. I think that they are raised that way such as Fred Phelps family has been.
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Post by Himmy! on Jan 11, 2012 18:08:39 GMT -5
I don't think so, but of course people are influenced to hate.
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Post by Eat Defeat. on Jan 11, 2012 18:26:29 GMT -5
Yeah it's just ignorance & being influenced by their surroundings.
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Post by Johnny on Jan 11, 2012 18:46:27 GMT -5
I don't think so, but of course people are influenced to hate. People are also influenced to be tolerant. I think the natural human reaction to difference, is fear and hate. Like instincts, ya know? Our instinct is to ostracize what's different. It's different today, though. We don't live in a natural world so we don't have natural instincts... they're all manipulated. |
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