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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Nov 14, 2012 21:45:03 GMT -5
If they penalize Brad, it's total BS and they want JJ to win. And THAT would be favoritism - since you wanna claim that every time someone not named Kyle Busch retaliates on someone and isn't punished. That interview wasn't televised and no one heard any "offensive" language. For the record, I am totally on Brad's side. He got blasted for the last week over Texas, and then this happens and it's all of a sudden okay? I don't want them to penalize Brad, dude. Why don't you read? It'd be entertaining to go into Homestead with a closer points battle. I don't want them to penalize him points, I don't want them to help anyone, I'm just saying... it'd be entertaining to see another close title battle that comes down to the wire. Don't know why you want to "challenge" what I say, but I agree that it would be wrong for them to penalize him points [this late in the season]... just said it'd be entertaining for the fans to see. --- Jeff Gordon got off way too easy for his wrecking of Bowyer, way too damn easy. I apologize, I misread. My apologies. Jeff got hit $100K. That may be pocket change at this point in his career, but $100K is no small number to me. I don't think there should have been a suspension, personally. He got the $100K fine, 25 points, and Hendrick got docked 25 owner points. Plus - while it's only about 6 or 7 weeks - he's on probation until year's end. Without a suspension, I think this is tops for what they would do.
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Nov 14, 2012 22:03:21 GMT -5
to bad the points docked to him mean nothing as he isn't in the chase or close to the lead same with the probation. with one race left what's the difference?
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Post by SodaGuy on Nov 14, 2012 23:16:25 GMT -5
to bad the points docked to him mean nothing as he isn't in the chase or close to the lead same with the probation. with one race left what's the difference? Right? That is the issue I have with the penalties... it really does nothing. I'd much rather had seen Clint kick Jeff's ass then those slaps on the wrist that don't mean anything. I'm sure that NASCAR will be waiting for Clint to attempt something on Sunday, so they can fine him points and bullcrap that really matters.
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Nov 14, 2012 23:26:51 GMT -5
Clint is out of the Chase running too so points fines will be crap all for him too.
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Post by SodaGuy on Nov 15, 2012 4:15:12 GMT -5
Clint is out of the Chase running too so points fines will be crap all for him too. I disagree. MWR and Clint deserve to be in the Top 3 in points and a points penalty would kill that. They've been in it since Day 1, while Jeff hasn't and that's the difference.
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Nov 15, 2012 12:31:46 GMT -5
Clint is out of the Chase running too so points fines will be crap all for him too. I disagree. MWR and Clint deserve to be in the Top 3 in points and a points penalty would kill that. They've been in it since Day 1, while Jeff hasn't and that's the difference. You may be right but even Kahne in 3rd is mathematically eliminated. That's what I was saying. A points fine wouldn't hurt him, except in deciding where he sits at the Championship Banquet.
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Nov 15, 2012 21:40:32 GMT -5
What i don't get is why did Kyle Busch get parked in 2 series last year but gordon gets off.
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Nov 15, 2012 22:45:04 GMT -5
What i don't get is why did Kyle Busch get parked in 2 series last year but gordon gets off. Kyle Busch got parked because he wrecked Hornaday under caution. Jeff's was an intentional act, but Kyle chased Ron down the track and slammed him hard into the wall under caution. A guy that isn't a full time truck driver or ever running for the NCWTS title took a guy out whose living comes in the NCWTS. Kyle Busch single-handedly cost Ron Hornaday the 2011 truck championship. And, again, Jeff didn't "get off" with the punishment. He's out $100,000 for one. That's no small amount of money for a NASCAR driver. They don't get the contracts worth $100M like the NFL or $300M like the MLB. Plus, he's on probation until Dec. 31. That means Dec. 31, not Nov. 18. His probation doesn't end at the wave of the checkered flag on Sunday. If he gets into any trouble - doesn't matter what kind - before Dec. 31, he can be punished by NASCAR, however they'd see fit.
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Post by SodaGuy on Nov 16, 2012 0:00:05 GMT -5
What i don't get is why did Kyle Busch get parked in 2 series last year but gordon gets off. Kyle Busch got parked because he wrecked Hornaday under caution. Jeff's was an intentional act, but Kyle chased Ron down the track and slammed him hard into the wall under caution. A guy that isn't a full time truck driver or ever running for the NCWTS title took a guy out whose living comes in the NCWTS. Kyle Busch single-handedly cost Ron Hornaday the 2011 truck championship.And, again, Jeff didn't "get off" with the punishment. He's out $100,000 for one. That's no small amount of money for a NASCAR driver. They don't get the contracts worth $100M like the NFL or $300M like the MLB. Plus, he's on probation until Dec. 31. That means Dec. 31, not Nov. 18. His probation doesn't end at the wave of the checkered flag on Sunday. If he gets into any trouble - doesn't matter what kind - before Dec. 31, he can be punished by NASCAR, however they'd see fit. It should not matter if it's under green or yellow flag conditions when someone waits on you and turns you head first into the wall. It shouldn't matter what series or whose running for a championship, either. It comes down to the action that they take that should be the punishment. NASCAR should have parked Jeff for the final race because of how he reacted. There is no issue with taking payback but to turn someone head first into the wall and not get parked is bullcrap. EDIT: And if you want to talk about how it mattered more because Kyle doesn't run for the truck championship, then that should have been the ONLY place he was parked. He should have been fined, parked for that race, parked for Homestead, placed on probation, and lose owner points because that would have been a fair punishment. But no, NASCAR parked him in all three series because that was "fair"... but it wasn't. And Jeff Gordon singly handling cost Clint Bowyer a chance at the championship. Clint was only -25 points out of the lead [with the chance of picking up more sports] before Gordon wrecked him, knocking him -42 points out of the lead. Guess that doesn't matter...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2012 0:37:02 GMT -5
Kyle was on NASCAR probation, Gordon wasn't.
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Post by SodaGuy on Nov 16, 2012 1:02:49 GMT -5
Kyle was on NASCAR probation, Gordon wasn't. No, he wasn't.
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Nov 16, 2012 1:09:03 GMT -5
Do you all forget that this was not the first time that Bowyer drove like a jackass and cost Jeff a race? He may not have cost him the Phoenix race but Martinsville in April says hello. Clint drove like a jackass at about 100 into the corner [yes, exaggeration] but he drove too damn hard into the corner, got into Jeff, which turned Jimmie into the wall. Jeff dominated that race and was on his way to a win, but no. Bowyer screwed that up. This was not the first incident between the two. Clint didn't get penalized at all. His crew chief got fined, but Brian Pattie also dropped the S-bomb on live TV. So I don't know why you guys are flipping out.
I can also say that if Bowyer does anything in Homestead, they should drop the hammer on him like they did Jeff.
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Post by SodaGuy on Nov 16, 2012 1:13:13 GMT -5
Do you all forget that this was not the first time that Bowyer drove like a jackass and cost Jeff a race? He may not have cost him the Phoenix race but Martinsville in April says hello. Clint drove like a jackass at about 100 into the corner [yes, exaggeration] but he drove too damn hard into the corner, got into Jeff, which turned Jimmie into the wall. Jeff dominated that race and was on his way to a win, but no. Bowyer screwed that up. This was not the first incident between the two. Clint didn't get penalized at all. His crew chief got fined, but Brian Pattie also dropped the S-bomb on live TV. So I don't know why you guys are flipping out. I can also say that if Bowyer does anything in Homestead, they should drop the hammer on him like they did Jeff. Oh crap... Clint was racing him? They should send him to the house for that. H That isn't allowed. You should never go for the win on fresher tires when both cars in front of you didn't come in. Please... he was doing his job... the same job that Jeff Gordon would've done. Any contact between those two - until Jeff at PIR - was just racing contact. Guess it would have been okay for Kyle Busch to turn Ryan Newman head first into the wall after Kansas? I think not.
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Nov 16, 2012 1:29:40 GMT -5
Do you all forget that this was not the first time that Bowyer drove like a jackass and cost Jeff a race? He may not have cost him the Phoenix race but Martinsville in April says hello. Clint drove like a jackass at about 100 into the corner [yes, exaggeration] but he drove too damn hard into the corner, got into Jeff, which turned Jimmie into the wall. Jeff dominated that race and was on his way to a win, but no. Bowyer screwed that up. This was not the first incident between the two. Clint didn't get penalized at all. His crew chief got fined, but Brian Pattie also dropped the S-bomb on live TV. So I don't know why you guys are flipping out. I can also say that if Bowyer does anything in Homestead, they should drop the hammer on him like they did Jeff. Oh crap... Clint was racing him? They should send him to the house for that. H That isn't allowed. You should never go for the win on fresher tires when both cars in front of you didn't come in. Please... he was doing his job... the same job that Jeff Gordon would've done. Any contact between those two - until Jeff at PIR - was just racing contact. Guess it would have been okay for Kyle Busch to turn Ryan Newman head first into the wall after Kansas? I think not. Clint did not have the position to race that hard into the corner. And no one is gonna pull over and make it easy. It wasn't the last lap. Don't drive like a moron. Take a lap, line up your pass, and go for the win on the next lap. Nope, instead he cost 3 drivers the shot at the win. Bottom line is it wasn't the first time the two have gotten into it this season, and it boiled over. Jeff was penalized. He didn't get off scott-free. No sense in *still* complaining about it.
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Post by SodaGuy on Nov 16, 2012 1:44:00 GMT -5
Oh crap... Clint was racing him? They should send him to the house for that. H That isn't allowed. You should never go for the win on fresher tires when both cars in front of you didn't come in. Please... he was doing his job... the same job that Jeff Gordon would've done. Any contact between those two - until Jeff at PIR - was just racing contact. Guess it would have been okay for Kyle Busch to turn Ryan Newman head first into the wall after Kansas? I think not. Clint did not have the position to race that hard into the corner. And no one is gonna pull over and make it easy. It wasn't the last lap. Don't drive like a moron. Take a lap, line up your pass, and go for the win on the next lap. Nope, instead he cost 3 drivers the shot at the win. Bottom line is it wasn't the first time the two have gotten into it this season, and it boiled over. Jeff was penalized. He didn't get off scott-free. No sense in *still* complaining about it. And had Clint not made the move... he would've been three wide with Newman making the move... so... *shrug*. Moving on.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2012 4:45:29 GMT -5
Kyle was on NASCAR probation, Gordon wasn't. No, he wasn't. Whoops, my fault. He had been on earlier in the year, but wasn't currently on.
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Post by SodaGuy on Nov 16, 2012 5:42:33 GMT -5
Whoops, my fault. He had been on earlier in the year, but wasn't currently on.
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Nov 16, 2012 11:54:54 GMT -5
Dale Jr.'s 2013 National Guard Scheme. He will be running this scheme for 18 or 20 races next year, with PepsiCo scaling way back, having schemes in 5 races for Jr., 2 for Jeff and 1 for Kasey. He'll also run this scheme this weekend at Homestead. Hence the Impala image. Chevy is running the Chevy SS for the Sprint Cup next year. Other news: Jimmy Fennig will head up the #99 team next year. That makes way for Scott Graves to take over as crew chief for the #17 when Ricky Stenhouse Jr. takes over the ride.
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Nov 16, 2012 13:04:47 GMT -5
How anyone can say Jeff was penalized in insane. That "fine" is pocket change for him I can almost guarantee you that. Does anyone else remember he owns half the 48 car?
As far as martinsville bowyer did line it up they were on old tires slow and he had the shot. Nothing wrong with it. I am a huge Gordon fan but he deserved to he parked for interfeiring with the championship contenders and the wreck. What's fair is fair.
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Nov 17, 2012 20:26:55 GMT -5
2012 NCWTS Champion: James Buescher 2012 NNS Champion: Ricky Stenhouse Jr. [2nd consecutive; joins the ranks of names like Sam Ard, Dale Earnhardt Jr., and Martin Truex Jr. as repeat champions]
2 championships decided, 1 to go. Brad Keselowski or Jimmie Johnson. Which one will stake claim to the title of 2012 NSCS Champion? Will Jimmie Johnson get his 6th [and Hendrick Motorsports' 11th] championship, or will it be a pair of firsts, with Brad's first driver championship and Roger Penske's first as a car owner? It will all be decided from Homestead-Miami Speedway in the Ford EcoBoost 400!!
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