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Post by mikey1974 on Mar 4, 2012 12:40:08 GMT -5
wonder how many people will remember this (it will also show how old you are!)... summer 1991, problems between Ric Flair and Jim Herd reach their apex, with Flair scheduled to drop the World Title to Lex Luger at the Great American Bash...but,1st Herd decides he doesn't want Flair even at the PPV, and tells him to drop the belt to Barry Windham at a house show,changing the main event to Champion Barry Windham vs Lex Luger...shortly thereafter,Herd changes his mind AGAIN and fires Flair over the phone...problem is,Flair still has the World Heavyweight Championship Belt!! rather than give Flair back the deposit he put on the Belt, Herd lets him walk with it,creating a bit of a problem - there's no belt to give the winner of Windham- Luger!! so....snicker....they created THIS!!  they took an old Southern Heavyweight Wrestling Champion belt, and made 5 rectangle plates,etched them with the words WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT WRESTLING CHAMPION, and screwed them in over the parts of the plates where there were southern States visibly carved and painted,or it said "Southern"... i still remember seeing this on TV when they showed the match on TBS right after it happened,and thinking "What the HELL is that!?" ...granted ,they would eventually go on and create and give Luger a proper title belt,that would be used until 1994:  but for a period of 1-2 months, Luger had to carry around this cobbled-together piece of forgotten history..the "Lost" WCW World Heavyweight Wrestling Championship Belt! |
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Post by Raine on Mar 4, 2012 15:03:49 GMT -5
Cool story, something new I didn't know about. Cheers
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Post by punksnotdead on Mar 4, 2012 15:40:32 GMT -5
I'm about 99% sure Ric Flair refused to drop the title to Lex Luger because he didn't like him and he didn't think he deserved it. I thought that's how that whole, Flair to Windham, Windham to Luger thing happened. Flair talks about it on one of the DVD sets. Then Flair said he wasn't giving the title back because he put like 10k down on it so that is why he took it to WWF with him, since he technically paid for it. Regardless, that belt is  ing hilarious. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2012 15:57:42 GMT -5
yeah Herd also wanted GAB 91 to be basically a squash to get Luger over.it was one of many reasons Flair went North to McWrestling.
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Post by drifter on Mar 4, 2012 16:05:21 GMT -5
yeah Herd also wanted GAB 91 to be basically a squash to get Luger over.it was one of many reasons Flair went North to McWrestling. Don't forget him wanting Flair to shave his head, and become 'Spartacus.' Lol God, Herd was an absolute idiot. And I never actually saw a picture of the belt, although I have heard the stories of that belt. It was a good thing that the belt that had made after that, was actually a good looking belt. I actually miss that WCW Title belt. |
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Post by done on Mar 4, 2012 16:06:36 GMT -5
I read this some place else, I find it very interesting.
I heard that the belt they had to use was one of Dusty's old belts.
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Post by Stinger TNA on Mar 4, 2012 16:06:40 GMT -5
Wow that belt is terrible it really is :/
Even lex didn't deserve that crappy belt
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2012 16:07:09 GMT -5
oh yeah.....Spartacus.Jesus herd was a total brain bypass
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Post by drifter on Mar 4, 2012 16:18:50 GMT -5
I'm about 99% sure Ric Flair refused to drop the title to Lex Luger because he didn't like him and he didn't think he deserved it. I thought that's how that whole, Flair to Windham, Windham to Luger thing happened. Flair talks about it on one of the DVD sets. Then Flair said he wasn't giving the title back because he put like 10k down on it so that is why he took it to WWF with him, since he technically paid for it.Regardless, that belt is ing hilarious. Actually, it was a $25,000 deposit on the belt. Plus there was interested owed to Flair too, so I think it was something like 38,000 that was supposed to come his way. |
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Post by jammer311 on Mar 4, 2012 16:53:29 GMT -5
I'm about 99% sure Ric Flair refused to drop the title to Lex Luger because he didn't like him and he didn't think he deserved it. I thought that's how that whole, Flair to Windham, Windham to Luger thing happened. Flair talks about it on one of the DVD sets. Then Flair said he wasn't giving the title back because he put like 10k down on it so that is why he took it to WWF with him, since he technically paid for it. Regardless, that belt is ing hilarious. What I don't get is how Flair losing to Windham would have worked anyhow?? Windham was in the Horsemen at the time, and there was no problems within the group in story line. Actually, Windham and Arn were set to face the Steiners in tag matches. So does anyone know how it would have worked with Windham getting the belt off Flair?? |
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Post by drifter on Mar 4, 2012 16:59:02 GMT -5
I'm about 99% sure Ric Flair refused to drop the title to Lex Luger because he didn't like him and he didn't think he deserved it. I thought that's how that whole, Flair to Windham, Windham to Luger thing happened. Flair talks about it on one of the DVD sets. Then Flair said he wasn't giving the title back because he put like 10k down on it so that is why he took it to WWF with him, since he technically paid for it. Regardless, that belt is ing hilarious. Well again, remember, this was the genius of Jim Herd. He made moves like that, because he had no knowledge of the wrestling business. What I don't get is how Flair losing to Windham would have worked anyhow?? Windham was in the Horsemen at the time, and there was no problems within the group in story line. Actually, Windham and Arn were set to face the Steiners in tag matches. So does anyone know how it would have worked with Windham getting the belt off Flair?? |
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Post by mikey1974 on Mar 4, 2012 18:01:12 GMT -5
don't know why they chose Windham, but Flair talks about it in his book ,how a week or so before the Bash, Herd called him at home and told him he was dropping the Belt to Windham.....then later that day Herd called again and told him he was fired immediately ,and he was sending Doug Dillinger over for the Belt...Flair said fine,but have him come with a check for the $25,000 + interest....Herd basically told him to screw himself,Flair told him to screw himself back, and it ended with a hangup, Flair calling Vince,and Fed Ex'ing the belt to Vince the next day....
the deposit thing was going on for deacdes in the NWA...basically,you had to put the money down when you became Champion,and if you refused to do a job and drop the Belt when the time came,then you forfeited the money....
i honestly never heard the story about Flair refusing to drop it to Luger , just that i know he wasn't happy about it being booked to be a squash (which,like Joker said , sent him into the arms of Vince)...but i never heard of him refusing to lose to Luger before...not saying it isn't true,just saying "I'VE" , personally,never heard Flair say it...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2012 11:31:35 GMT -5
I think Flair says it in either his shoot or on his WWE dvd that he wouldnt drop it to Luger on a few occasions.between that and the hammering he gave Luger on the Horsemen DVD you get the impression Flair wasnt too fond of Luger
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Post by Brankind on Mar 5, 2012 11:54:33 GMT -5
Wow that belt is terrible it really is :/ Even lex didn't deserve that crappy belt both still look better then the current WWE Champion title |
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Post by punksnotdead on Mar 5, 2012 12:00:30 GMT -5
I'm about 99% sure Ric Flair refused to drop the title to Lex Luger because he didn't like him and he didn't think he deserved it. I thought that's how that whole, Flair to Windham, Windham to Luger thing happened. Flair talks about it on one of the DVD sets. Then Flair said he wasn't giving the title back because he put like 10k down on it so that is why he took it to WWF with him, since he technically paid for it.Regardless, that belt is ing hilarious. Actually, it was a $25,000 deposit on the belt. Plus there was interested owed to Flair too, so I think it was something like 38,000 that was supposed to come his way. I would have taken the belt too. I didn't remember it being that much, but that's crazy. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2012 12:00:37 GMT -5
Wow that belt is terrible it really is :/ Even lex didn't deserve that crappy belt both still look better then the current WWE Champion title |
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Post by punksnotdead on Mar 5, 2012 12:21:24 GMT -5
don't know why they chose Windham, but Flair talks about it in his book ,how a week or so before the Bash, Herd called him at home and told him he was dropping the Belt to Windham.....then later that day Herd called again and told him he was fired immediately ,and he was sending Doug Dillinger over for the Belt...Flair said fine,but have him come with a check for the $25,000 + interest....Herd basically told him to screw himself,Flair told him to screw himself back, and it ended with a hangup, Flair calling Vince,and Fed Ex'ing the belt to Vince the next day.... the deposit thing was going on for deacdes in the NWA...basically,you had to put the money down when you became Champion,and if you refused to do a job and drop the Belt when the time came,then you forfeited the money.... i honestly never heard the story about Flair refusing to drop it to Luger , just that i know he wasn't happy about it being booked to be a squash (which,like Joker said , sent him into the arms of Vince)...but i never heard of him refusing to lose to Luger before...not saying it isn't true,just saying "I'VE" , personally,never heard Flair say it... I found it. If you have Flair's "Nature Boy Ric Flair - The Definitive Collection" DVD, or Netflix which is what I found it on, go to the 1 hour and 4 minute mark. Herd promised Sting the title, and then Herd turned around and said I don't care what I said you are dropping it to Luger. Flair said "No, I'm not doing it with Luger." Then Flair said he would fly back from his vacation early and drop the title at the next TV to Windham because "Barry deserves it." Then Herd said forget it I'm sending Dillinger to get the belt. That's when Flair brought up the 25k plus interest and said he was keeping the title. So from that, I gather he didn't think Luger deserved it. Not sure how the Windham thing would have made sense other than that was what Flair would have agreed to so the logic didn't really matter I guess. |
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Post by drifter on Mar 5, 2012 13:08:35 GMT -5
I still don't get how Herd wasn't fired on the spot for allowing Flair to walk with the belt. As soon as Bobby Heenan showed the World Title on WWF TV, Herd should have been canned, but he managed keep his job until the end of the year.
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Post by jammer311 on Mar 5, 2012 13:29:17 GMT -5
don't know why they chose Windham, but Flair talks about it in his book ,how a week or so before the Bash, Herd called him at home and told him he was dropping the Belt to Windham.....then later that day Herd called again and told him he was fired immediately ,and he was sending Doug Dillinger over for the Belt...Flair said fine,but have him come with a check for the $25,000 + interest....Herd basically told him to screw himself,Flair told him to screw himself back, and it ended with a hangup, Flair calling Vince,and Fed Ex'ing the belt to Vince the next day.... the deposit thing was going on for deacdes in the NWA...basically,you had to put the money down when you became Champion,and if you refused to do a job and drop the Belt when the time came,then you forfeited the money.... i honestly never heard the story about Flair refusing to drop it to Luger , just that i know he wasn't happy about it being booked to be a squash (which,like Joker said , sent him into the arms of Vince)...but i never heard of him refusing to lose to Luger before...not saying it isn't true,just saying "I'VE" , personally,never heard Flair say it... I found it. If you have Flair's "Nature Boy Ric Flair - The Definitive Collection" DVD, or Netflix which is what I found it on, go to the 1 hour and 4 minute mark. Herd promised Sting the title, and then Herd turned around and said I don't care what I said you are dropping it to Luger. Flair said "No, I'm not doing it with Luger."; Then Flair said he would fly back from his vacation early and drop the title at the next TV to Windham because "Barry deserves it." Then Herd said forget it I'm sending Dillinger to get the belt. That's when Flair brought up the 25k plus interest and said he was keeping the title. So from that, I gather he didn't think Luger deserved it. Not sure how the Windham thing would have made sense other than that was what Flair would have agreed to so the logic didn't really matter I guess. That is talking about when Sting blew out his knee in 1990. Herd wanted Flair to drop the belt to Luger instead, but Flair waited till Sting was ready to get the belt at Great American Bash 90. That is why Flair wrestled Luger at two ppvs before that, one at Wrestle War, the other at Capital Combat. |
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Post by -=[ CRuSH ]=- on Mar 5, 2012 14:33:17 GMT -5
That jogs a few memories. I used to watch WCW with my grandad as we never had Sky. Imagine my surprise one day staying at a friends house and Ric Flair was on WWF tv
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