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Post by punksnotdead on Mar 5, 2012 16:40:27 GMT -5
I found it. If you have Flair's "Nature Boy Ric Flair - The Definitive Collection" DVD, or Netflix which is what I found it on, go to the 1 hour and 4 minute mark. Herd promised Sting the title, and then Herd turned around and said I don't care what I said you are dropping it to Luger. Flair said "No, I'm not doing it with Luger."; Then Flair said he would fly back from his vacation early and drop the title at the next TV to Windham because "Barry deserves it." Then Herd said forget it I'm sending Dillinger to get the belt. That's when Flair brought up the 25k plus interest and said he was keeping the title. So from that, I gather he didn't think Luger deserved it. Not sure how the Windham thing would have made sense other than that was what Flair would have agreed to so the logic didn't really matter I guess. That is talking about when Sting blew out his knee in 1990. Herd wanted Flair to drop the belt to Luger instead, but Flair waited till Sting was ready to get the belt at Great American Bash 90. That is why Flair wrestled Luger at two ppvs before that, one at Wrestle War, the other at Capital Combat. Flair doesn't say anything about Sting being injured. I think that incident took place in 90, in which Sting won the NWA Title, and then Flair wanted Sting to be the guy again at GAB 91 but Herd wanted Flair to pass it off to Luger. Flair is telling one complete story in the documentary. Have you seen it? I recapped exactly what Flair said. He left to go to WWE right after the incident, if he was talking about 1990 then he would have talked about having to be in WCW for another year, which he doesn't. |
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Post by mikey1974 on Mar 5, 2012 18:06:28 GMT -5
basically,both stories are true...
Sting was scheduled to win the Belt from Flair earlier in 1990,but hurt his knee...Herd wanted Flair to drop the Title to Luger instead, but Flair balked,and said he promised Sting he would drop the Belt to him,and was going to honor his word, and he did, dropping it to Sting at the GAB 1990...this is from Flair's book.
1991, Flair knew he was unwanted and on his way out, and Herd wanted him gone as well,and he was booked to lose to Luger at the GAB 1991, but Flair wanted to drop it to Windham instead, so then Herd changed it and told Flair he was dropping it at a house show to Windham before the Bash,then turned around and fired Flair over the phone....this was from the DVD.
so,basically,both stories are true,according to Flair's own word....
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Post by Brankind on Mar 5, 2012 20:12:07 GMT -5
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Post by Scotty on Mar 5, 2012 20:17:05 GMT -5
Thats a pretty cool story. Thanks for sharing
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Post by mrmad426 on Mar 5, 2012 20:37:30 GMT -5
This post is like a history lession but something I wouldn't skip.
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Post by Nivro™ on Mar 5, 2012 21:20:02 GMT -5
Is there pics of the title before it was the "WCW World Title"? Ive heard two stories that it was 1) The Florida Heavyweight Championship and 2) Was the Southern Heavyweight Championship...Yet every picture of the belt Ive seen, looks nothing like the one WCW used. I know it was an old Dusty belt but it really bugs me.
Also, on the Four Horsemen DVD, Barry Windham says he was "Next in line" after Flair because he said there were some hard feelings when Flair left because he was next in line to get the belt and when Flair left they put it on Luger.
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Post by jammer311 on Mar 5, 2012 22:00:46 GMT -5
I thought that WCW belt was actually the old NWA Six Man Tag Title.
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Post by drifter on Mar 5, 2012 23:20:09 GMT -5
I thought that WCW belt was actually the old NWA Six Man Tag Title. It was definitely not the Six Man Title  I can't find a picture of it, but everything I see says it was Dusty's PWF Title belt from Florida that they used. |
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Post by jammer311 on Mar 5, 2012 23:38:01 GMT -5
Okay, first of all that wasn't the NWA Six Man Tag Title that you posted a pic of.
Maybe it was an old NWA Western States Title too. All I know is that I read it was an old NWA belt that was no longer being used, and they used it.
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Post by Nivro™ on Mar 5, 2012 23:42:07 GMT -5
Okay, first of all that wasn't the NWA Six Man Tag Title that you posted a pic of. Maybe it was an old NWA Western States Title too. All I know is that I read it was an old NWA belt that was no longer being used, and they used it. The pic above is a later years used NWA Six Man title. Ones Dusty and Road Warriors carried. |
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Post by ToastMaster General on Mar 6, 2012 12:43:53 GMT -5
Amongst the belt "marks", it's pretty much common knowledge that it was infact Dusty's old PWF title belt being used, what I didn't know was that, that belt was being used for 1-2 months before the new WCW title was made. Ouch, that had to be horrendous for that period.
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Post by mikey1974 on Mar 6, 2012 15:05:32 GMT -5
well,to be honest, i can never actually remember seeing Luger on TV defending that particular Belt , until a month or 2 later he showed up with the new one...so my guess is he just defended it at house shows until the new Title was ready.... and that it's only actual TV/ PPV appearance was the Bash...
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Post by Chester McFisticuffs on Mar 6, 2012 17:50:51 GMT -5
I thought that WCW belt was actually the old NWA Six Man Tag Title.  You mean this one, right? I loved the WCW '91-'94 belt. I miss that design. Simple, but effective. |
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Post by jammer311 on Mar 6, 2012 18:29:44 GMT -5
I thought that WCW belt was actually the old NWA Six Man Tag Title. You mean this one, right? I loved the WCW '91-'94 belt. I miss that design. Simple, but effective. Yes!! Those belts. I remember at Wrestle War 91 when JYD, Ricky Morton and Tommy Rich defended them on the ppv, and they didn't even come out with the belts haha Classic WCW |
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Post by Too Sweet on Mar 6, 2012 20:46:36 GMT -5
Woah! Never ever saw this championship, thanks for the post, you learn something new everyday.
Jim Herd? God what a douche for doing that to Flair.
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Post by marino13 on Mar 6, 2012 20:46:54 GMT -5
I remember I was having a conundrum at the time. I was a fan of Luger & Windham and wanted to see both of them have a run at the gold. Then to find out that one of them was guaranteed to leave with the belt was great.
But unfortunately just like everything else wCw did at the time... it was a flop. Luger wins, teams with Race, and racially bashes Simmons. Ugh.
Wish Windham would have won and carried on with a new Four Horsemen. I know a Horsemen without Flair is sacrilege to some, but it probably would have better than what we got.
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Post by ToastMaster General on Mar 7, 2012 11:11:58 GMT -5
I remember I was having a conundrum at the time. I was a fan of Luger & Windham and wanted to see both of them have a run at the gold. Then to find out that one of them was guaranteed to leave with the belt was great. But unfortunately just like everything else wCw did at the time... it was a flop. Luger wins, teams with Race, and racially bashes Simmons. Ugh. Wish Windham would have won and carried on with a new Four Horsemen. I know a Horsemen without Flair is sacrilege to some, but it probably would have better than what we got. Ya know, when you watch anything post GAB '91-October '91 it's SO awkward. Flair leaving really did put a monkey on WCW's back for sure. But once Halloween Havoc hits and Rude debuts, the gravy train starts rolling and WCW's awesome period doesn't end until like July of '94. But it is interesting to see the down period after Flair leaves and we get racist Lex Luger, Sting as the ultimate mid-card champion trying to get back to the top, and a VERY weird tag division without the Steiners (Scotty was injured at this point). |
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Post by marino13 on Mar 7, 2012 16:04:42 GMT -5
I remember I was having a conundrum at the time. I was a fan of Luger & Windham and wanted to see both of them have a run at the gold. Then to find out that one of them was guaranteed to leave with the belt was great. But unfortunately just like everything else wCw did at the time... it was a flop. Luger wins, teams with Race, and racially bashes Simmons. Ugh. Wish Windham would have won and carried on with a new Four Horsemen. I know a Horsemen without Flair is sacrilege to some, but it probably would have better than what we got. Ya know, when you watch anything post GAB '91-October '91 it's SO awkward. Flair leaving really did put a monkey on WCW's back for sure. But once Halloween Havoc hits and Rude debuts, the gravy train starts rolling and WCW's awesome period doesn't end until like July of '94. But it is interesting to see the down period after Flair leaves and we get racist Lex Luger, Sting as the ultimate mid-card champion trying to get back to the top, and a VERY weird tag division without the Steiners (Scotty was injured at this point). Yeah I'd agree with all of that. I THINK by the time Rude got there Herd was already gone, but I could be wrong. If so, that could be why things took a turn for the better around that time. But, Rude and the Dangerous Alliance definitely filled the void left by Flair. |
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Post by ToastMaster General on Mar 7, 2012 17:09:39 GMT -5
Ya know, when you watch anything post GAB '91-October '91 it's SO awkward. Flair leaving really did put a monkey on WCW's back for sure. But once Halloween Havoc hits and Rude debuts, the gravy train starts rolling and WCW's awesome period doesn't end until like July of '94. But it is interesting to see the down period after Flair leaves and we get racist Lex Luger, Sting as the ultimate mid-card champion trying to get back to the top, and a VERY weird tag division without the Steiners (Scotty was injured at this point). Yeah I'd agree with all of that. I THINK by the time Rude got there Herd was already gone, but I could be wrong. If so, that could be why things took a turn for the better around that time. But, Rude and the Dangerous Alliance definitely filled the void left by Flair. I think you maybe right about Herd being gone, but I think K. Allen Fyre's first show as leader was Clash 18. Not too sure though. |
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