yinyang
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Post by yinyang on Mar 21, 2012 10:31:37 GMT -5
I doubt they expected Undertaker to become the best wrestler of ALL WWE. He is on top right now..he has won nearly everything..if not everything. Plus come on...19-0 at WM "fake" or not...pre-determined or not...UNDERTAKER is the man who has done the impossible and MORE. i Doubt Vince was like this guy is gonna be the legendary UNDERTAKER 20-0 at WM28. iDK if he has won king of the ring though... hmm. You could have gone with best gimmick or best big (tall) man, and I would have let it go, but that, no. Additionally, Taker was WWF Champion 5 minutes into his WWF career. He has been booked like a star for 20 years. And going 19-0 isn't impossible when the matches are pre determined, Goldberg was 173-0. This is one of the more ridiculous posts I have read in a long time. Where's that "It's still real to me" gif when you need it. Oh its real..its damn real. Goldberg never had a streak of 173-0 in WWE. I feel that the Undertaker has done it all in the WWE and has conquered the biggest stage of them all everytime. Beating THE UNDERTAKER has become just as big as a WWE title match or greater..nobody has beaten THE UNDERTAKER at WM. A dream for all but dead end street for all. Undertaker isnt my favorite or anything by far. I see his great accomplishments and dedication to WWE. Thats makes him honorable and his legendary career makes him THE PHENOM of the WWE. Forever! Remembered and forever one of the all time greats if not IMO the best.
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Post by samcro on Mar 21, 2012 10:36:46 GMT -5
I'm gonna say Hunter Hearst Helmsley. When he first debuted I didn't think he would last.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2012 11:07:32 GMT -5
Zack Ryder, Santino Marella, Dolph Ziggler, JBL, Matt Hardy, Jeff Hardy, The Rock, Stone Cold, Teddy Long (to an extent) and The Miz are the ones who come to mind for me, honestly. This, and I'm guessing Brodus Clay will get somewhere too.
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Post by Chris Hammers on Mar 21, 2012 11:28:23 GMT -5
Not so much "Meant to be nothing" but I doubt when signed in 2002, that they thought they'd put the world title on Rey Mysterio twice.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2012 11:30:24 GMT -5
Not so much "Meant to be nothing" but I doubt when signed in 2002, that they thought they'd put the world title on Rey Mysterio twice. Don't forget the WWE Championship.
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Post by The Yes Man on Mar 21, 2012 11:31:38 GMT -5
The Miz, Dolph Ziggler, Zack Ryder, Triple H/Hunter Hearst Helmsley, John Cena, The Rock, Steve Austin.
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Post by Dan on Mar 21, 2012 12:09:46 GMT -5
Undertaker, The Miz, Dolph Ziggler, John Cena.
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Post by mikey1974 on Mar 21, 2012 12:34:40 GMT -5
You could have gone with best gimmick or best big (tall) man, and I would have let it go, but that, no. Additionally, Taker was WWF Champion 5 minutes into his WWF career. He has been booked like a star for 20 years. And going 19-0 isn't impossible when the matches are pre determined, Goldberg was 173-0. This is one of the more ridiculous posts I have read in a long time. Where's that "It's still real to me" gif when you need it. Taker won the title a year after his debut. And while it may not be impossible, the streak certainly is extraordinary considering it was purely coincidence for the first 10 years and could have been booked to lose at any point (9, 14, 16, 17) come to mind To stay on topic I'd have to go with miz even after him and morrison broke up everyone though Morrison was going to be the break out star Taker actually WAS booked to lose to Diesel at WM XII, to make him look strong going into a post-Mania feud with HBK, but when Nash told Vince he was leaving, the finish was changed.
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Post by done on Mar 21, 2012 12:38:45 GMT -5
Owen Hart in 94 and The Black Gimmick, at the start!
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Daniel Bryan Says No
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Post by Daniel Bryan Says No on Mar 21, 2012 12:41:14 GMT -5
Austin was not meant to be nothing. Fans knew who he was, he was an established upper midcarder in WCW prior to his WWF debut, and debuted with DiBiase as his manager, and the Million Dollar Title. Austin wasn't meant to be a star though. He was meant to be a solid in-ring worker who could have good matches with people who needed to look good in the ring. Different wrestlers have said over the years that Vince Mcmahon saw very little in Austin's overall potential. The same way he saw little in John Cena's potential. Which brings me to my pick: John Cena. There's a whole story on this in Jericho's book but management didn't see him as anything special for the first year of his WWE career.
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Post by mikey1974 on Mar 21, 2012 13:00:46 GMT -5
Austin was not meant to be nothing. Fans knew who he was, he was an established upper midcarder in WCW prior to his WWF debut, and debuted with DiBiase as his manager, and the Million Dollar Title. Austin wasn't meant to be a star though. He was meant to be a solid in-ring worker who could have good matches with people who needed to look good in the ring. Different wrestlers have said over the years that Vince Mcmahon saw very little in Austin's overall potential. The same way he saw little in John Cena's potential. Foley mentioned it in his book, how they were doing a summer tour up in the New England area, and the head of the merchandisin department was there and went over some items they wanted to make for the various wrestlers like shirts,hats,figures,foam fingers,etc. , and talked it over with each wrestler on the merchandise list....after he was done, Austin came up to him and said , basically, " How about some stuff for old Stone Cold?!" , to which he was told they had nothing planned for him merchandise-wise... so,yeah, Vince and the WWF had NO real plans for Austin beyond him probably being just a very good, dependable mid-carder...
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Post by callumHart on Mar 21, 2012 13:08:43 GMT -5
Suppose you could say this about anyone who's been there longer than 6-7 years.
As for anyone who's debuted in the past couple years just went straight to main event, making the ones who worked for it look bad.
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Post by Rule 30 on Mar 21, 2012 13:31:58 GMT -5
No one's said anything about Orton? If you told me 10 years ago he'd be a nine time World Champion, I'd call crazy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2012 13:43:36 GMT -5
I would have said CM Punk but then again within 3 years he had already been ECW Champion, Intercontinental Champion, World Tag Team Champion and 3x World Heavyweight Champion. Although he didn't become huge until last Summer.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2012 13:44:23 GMT -5
Maybe Punk to some degree. He had a huge Internet following and came in with that victory over Justin Credible, but for the most part I don't think the creative team would've predicted he'd be a multi time world champ and totally change the face of the company in 2011.
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Post by gwtpunk on Mar 21, 2012 13:46:08 GMT -5
daniel bryan?
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Mar 21, 2012 16:21:20 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure WWE wants everyone to at least amount to something or they would never have them debut, so this thread is pretty ridiculous. However, I think Ryder would have to be the prime example of this as someone who they saw as a midcard talent at best and made his own breaks to become something bigger.
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Post by Daniel Bryan Says No on Mar 21, 2012 16:29:22 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure WWE wants everyone to at least amount to something or they would never have them debut, so this thread is pretty ridiculous. However, I think Ryder would have to be the prime example of this as someone who they saw as a midcard talent at best and made his own breaks to become something bigger. WWE does hire utility guys. In other words, guys who work solid matches that will help the people they want to be stars look better. That was Austin's job when he came in. Make top guys look good.
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Post by Bret_Hart_Mark™ on Mar 21, 2012 16:57:05 GMT -5
I have to go with Austin, Cena, Guerrero, Benoit, Punk, Bryan. These guys all pretty much given the exact same thing, NOTHING. And somehow, because all the fans, decided that they had something we wanted to see, and Vince & Co. is smart enough to see that, and make something out of it for business.
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Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Mar 21, 2012 17:07:53 GMT -5
I don't think they really expected Punk to explode like this. Obviously they knew he had his fans which is why they gave him IC Title, ECW Title, Tag Team Title and a couple of WHC runs but I don't think they ever viewed him as "The Guy". They probably looked at him as a strong hand but nothing really more than that.
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