Too Sweet
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Post by Too Sweet on Mar 29, 2012 0:16:13 GMT -5
makes you think imagine what the WWE would be like today without John Cena imagine what TNA would be like because Cena probably would have ended up there had he been fired by Vince
TNA wouldn't know what to do with him. So Cena being in TNA would make no difference. I think had Brock not left then Cena would be nowhere near the level he is now. Righttt because you work for TNA? It was a good thing they didn't end up firing him, I absolutely loved the Thugganomics gimmick and he had a pretty solid bout with Lesnar at Backlash in '03. If this were to be the case backstage with Vince and Triple H, It just makes me weary that they're about the money and that they just couldn't afford to take risks like they used to. No wonder why the fans felt more disconnected as time rolled through, and it was pretty obvious ironcially with Cena's Main Event run. |
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Post by The Dude on Mar 29, 2012 3:30:25 GMT -5
TNA wouldn't know what to do with him. So Cena being in TNA would make no difference. I think had Brock not left then Cena would be nowhere near the level he is now. It was a good thing they didn't end up firing him, I absolutely loved the Thugganomics gimmick and he had a pretty solid bout with Lesnar at Backlash in '03. If this were to be the case backstage with Vince and Triple H, It just makes me weary that they're about the money and that they just couldn't afford to take risks like they used to. No wonder why the fans felt more disconnected as time rolled through, and it was pretty obvious ironcially with Cena's Main Event run. No, but because it's so obvious that they have trouble doing anything in the right direction. They had CM Punk, Mr. Kennedy, AND Jeff Hardy (before he returned to WWE) and their runs really went nowhere. Jeff had a few great feuds, but eventually they favored Christian, Kurt Angle, and Sting over Hardy. And even then, I'd say Christian was their best asset when they had him. Sting and Angle really haven't done anything in TNA to stand out even more in their careers, whereas when Christian was there he proved that he could be in the main event. And even when Jeff came back, right after winning the WWE and World titles, TNA didn't do anything huge with him. TNA really went to sh*t after Jeff returned and that whole Higan era. So imagine Cena going to TNA in the 2002-2004 era, he would have had very little recognition had he been released prior to the thuganomics gimmick, WHERE would Cena have fit in, yes the company was growing, but look how much TNA changed from when the show was on weekly PPVs to FSN, and then to Spike. there's no way Cena would be where he is today had he been released and gone to TNA. |
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Post by Too Sweet on Mar 29, 2012 5:02:39 GMT -5
Righttt because you work for TNA? It was a good thing they didn't end up firing him, I absolutely loved the Thugganomics gimmick and he had a pretty solid bout with Lesnar at Backlash in '03. If this were to be the case backstage with Vince and Triple H, It just makes me weary that they're about the money and that they just couldn't afford to take risks like they used to. No wonder why the fans felt more disconnected as time rolled through, and it was pretty obvious ironcially with Cena's Main Event run. No, but because it's so obvious that they have trouble doing anything in the right direction. They had CM Punk, Mr. Kennedy, AND Jeff Hardy (before he returned to WWE) and their runs really went nowhere. Jeff had a few great feuds, but eventually they favored Christian, Kurt Angle, and Sting over Hardy. And even then, I'd say Christian was their best asset when they had him. Sting and Angle really haven't done anything in TNA to stand out even more in their careers, whereas when Christian was there he proved that he could be in the main event. And even when Jeff came back, right after winning the WWE and World titles, TNA didn't do anything huge with him. TNA really went to sh*t after Jeff returned and that whole Higan era. So imagine Cena going to TNA in the 2002-2004 era, he would have had very little recognition had he been released prior to the thuganomics gimmick, WHERE would Cena have fit in, yes the company was growing, but look how much TNA changed from when the show was on weekly PPVs to FSN, and then to Spike. there's no way Cena would be where he is today had he been released and gone to TNA. You just counteracted your argument right there. Let me set things straight here, TNA was indeed growing and it would've taken way longer with the talent they beforehand to get the recognition they've got currently. Sure people can moan about the glory days of TNA in 04-06, but they didn't have a solid and complete roster back then compared to now, they had alot of wrestlers who came and went consistently. I don't argue the fact about the fans backlash on the product, it'd be frustrating to see original talent get toned down for a bigger acquistion but do you really think TNA would have made it to Spike TV if it weren't for guys like Sting and Christian coming in? It just makes sense having guys with a rich history behind them for a network like Spike TV wanting to take a risk on another company again, like they did with ECW ( and look where that ended up, ECW didn't want to abide by their rules and they got cancelled ). On the subject of Jeff Hardy, if you watched the Twist of Fate DVD he was simply just losing interest in TNA and he wanted to go back to the WWE, I see no reason why they'd highlight a guy whos just going to jump ship anyways. On the subject of Kurt Angle, you know and I know the man has demons he's battling with, he brings in Karen Angle to TNA and then she ends up divorcing him and marries Jeff Jarrett, that's got to be tough to face. Not to mention the countless DUI's he's had, there's something definately going on with Kurt Angle, it's just so obvious. Now to the last subject on John Cena, It's just silly judging an invididual based on the company the individual works for, I've seen people who were nothing that special ( personal opinion ) in the WWE blemish in TNA such as Matt Morgan and Gail Kim. The ones who stuck around such as Aj Styles and Christopher Daniels ended up earning their spotlight in TNA, can you honestly say they would have gotten the recognition they did in TNA if they just randomly debuted years afterwards? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2012 5:33:32 GMT -5
from what I remeber hearing it was in fact stephanie mcmahon that pushed for Cena in those days if by pushed you mean got Cena to Rap about how hot she was-yeah she did. |
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Mar 29, 2012 10:45:04 GMT -5
The whole "what if Cena went to TNA?" talking point is just silly, because Cena could never be as big a star as he is now if he were in TNA because he wasn't on the big stage. Honestly? People would probably resent him even more than they do now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2012 13:10:59 GMT -5
from what I remeber hearing it was in fact stephanie mcmahon that pushed for Cena in those days if by pushed you mean got Cena to Rap about how hot she was-yeah she did.  |
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Mar 29, 2012 13:20:58 GMT -5
No, but because it's so obvious that they have trouble doing anything in the right direction. They had CM Punk, Mr. Kennedy, AND Jeff Hardy (before he returned to WWE) and their runs really went nowhere. Jeff had a few great feuds, but eventually they favored Christian, Kurt Angle, and Sting over Hardy. And even then, I'd say Christian was their best asset when they had him. Sting and Angle really haven't done anything in TNA to stand out even more in their careers, whereas when Christian was there he proved that he could be in the main event. And even when Jeff came back, right after winning the WWE and World titles, TNA didn't do anything huge with him. TNA really went to sh*t after Jeff returned and that whole Higan era. So imagine Cena going to TNA in the 2002-2004 era, he would have had very little recognition had he been released prior to the thuganomics gimmick, WHERE would Cena have fit in, yes the company was growing, but look how much TNA changed from when the show was on weekly PPVs to FSN, and then to Spike. there's no way Cena would be where he is today had he been released and gone to TNA. You just counteracted your argument right there. Let me set things straight here, TNA was indeed growing and it would've taken way longer with the talent they beforehand to get the recognition they've got currently. Sure people can moan about the glory days of TNA in 04-06, but they didn't have a solid and complete roster back then compared to now, they had alot of wrestlers who came and went consistently. I don't argue the fact about the fans backlash on the product, it'd be frustrating to see original talent get toned down for a bigger acquistion but do you really think TNA would have made it to Spike TV if it weren't for guys like Sting and Christian coming in? It just makes sense having guys with a rich history behind them for a network like Spike TV wanting to take a risk on another company again, like they did with ECW ( and look where that ended up, ECW didn't want to abide by their rules and they got cancelled ). On the subject of Jeff Hardy, if you watched the Twist of Fate DVD he was simply just losing interest in TNA and he wanted to go back to the WWE, I see no reason why they'd highlight a guy whos just going to jump ship anyways. On the subject of Kurt Angle, you know and I know the man has demons he's battling with, he brings in Karen Angle to TNA and then she ends up divorcing him and marries Jeff Jarrett, that's got to be tough to face. Not to mention the countless DUI's he's had, there's something definately going on with Kurt Angle, it's just so obvious. Now to the last subject on John Cena, It's just silly judging an invididual based on the company the individual works for, I've seen people who were nothing that special ( personal opinion ) in the WWE blemish in TNA such as Matt Morgan and Gail Kim. The ones who stuck around such as Aj Styles and Christopher Daniels ended up earning their spotlight in TNA, can you honestly say they would have gotten the recognition they did in TNA if they just randomly debuted years afterwards? You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. |
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Post by The Dude on Mar 29, 2012 16:03:06 GMT -5
Smurf is right, I think "blossom"would have been a better word choice.
but back on John Cena, just from what I've seen they don't really capitalize on talent too often unless they were over significantly. Like look at Kendrick, he was in WWE for a short while the same time Cena debuted (around there) he left, showed up in TNA, did nothing really. Went back to WWE, had an incredible run with Paul London, then flourished quiet well as The Brian Kendrick until he decided weed was no problem for him. And then when he went back to TNA did they showcase him a lot more. And with Jeff, he was in the main event in 04 in TNA and he was buried by Jarrett every time, and while I did love Jarrett's title reign, he did hog the title a little bit. TNA didn't give Jeff the title until he came back after winning 3 in WWE. Cena would have joined TNA in a time where they did indeed have a lot of stars coming and going, and while I'd say those were their best years, I don't think Cena would have risen to the top like he would have in WWE. Hell, look at R-Truth, he was a 2 time NWA World Champion and by the time they made it to FSN he was in 3LK, and never really got back into the main event.
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Post by Too Sweet on Mar 29, 2012 22:33:28 GMT -5
Smurf is right, I think "blossom"would have been a better word choice. but back on John Cena, just from what I've seen they don't really capitalize on talent too often unless they were over significantly. Like look at Kendrick, he was in WWE for a short while the same time Cena debuted (around there) he left, showed up in TNA, did nothing really. Went back to WWE, had an incredible run with Paul London, then flourished quiet well as The Brian Kendrick until he decided weed was no problem for him. And then when he went back to TNA did they showcase him a lot more. And with Jeff, he was in the main event in 04 in TNA and he was buried by Jarrett every time, and while I did love Jarrett's title reign, he did hog the title a little bit. TNA didn't give Jeff the title until he came back after winning 3 in WWE. Cena would have joined TNA in a time where they did indeed have a lot of stars coming and going, and while I'd say those were their best years, I don't think Cena would have risen to the top like he would have in WWE. Hell, look at R-Truth, he was a 2 time NWA World Champion and by the time they made it to FSN he was in 3LK, and never really got back into the main event. Yeah woops my bad haha, Matt Morgan and Gail Kim have no skin imperfections  Yeah good point you raise about Killings, but I feel he was just too green at the time to be a world champion and I could see TNA giving him the strap because he was going to stay put for a while and he did. He's a talented guy, yes, but he just didn't have the history behind him like guys such as Christian and Sting. I could definately see Cena being thrown into the mix if he did join TNA around that time, but TNA had alot of free-agents coming and going, especially guys from the Indy scene who would have worked a few matches to earn some more money on the side ( It'd be silly to turn down an extra paycheck considering Indy feds aren't the most financially secure ). But if his Thugganomics gimmick was to be Cena's own creation, he would have done well in TNA, sure he might not have had the more prestigious bouts like going against Lesnar but If he were to stick around he'd definately be a top star in TNA, if not the biggest, the man's got talent. |
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Post by Elliot on Mar 30, 2012 0:52:43 GMT -5
I could understand why they might have wanted to fire him. Before "Thuganomics", he really didn't look all that promising. Glad they decided to stick with him though.
As for the above conversation, TNA is crap.
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