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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2012 13:47:46 GMT -5
If he has falsified documents, then won't he face a "fraud" charge?
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Post by Kliquid on Apr 2, 2012 14:00:40 GMT -5
It's not grasping at straws when you know how Illustrator works. Regardless of what angle you come at it from, the fact is that the PDF document that was released was tampered with. So your argument is that his short form is legit and his long form is faked?? That makes no sense. My argument is that the PDF file they posted is doctored. That's all.
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Post by sean™ on Apr 2, 2012 14:05:40 GMT -5
Cool story, bro.
I refuse to believe that after an almost 2 year campaign, and almost 4 years in office that no one from the United States Government would have checked this, certified this, or anything of the such.
And I'd rather be a "blind sheep" than clearly racist. And I'm not pointing that directly at you Kliq. Just meaning that this would seriously not be an issue if Obama was a white man from CT.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Apr 2, 2012 14:25:20 GMT -5
So your argument is that his short form is legit and his long form is faked?? That makes no sense. My argument is that the PDF file they posted is doctored. That's all. Let's assume for the sake of argument that you're right. Why does it even matter? If the short form is legit, the long form is not going to be doctored. And even if it is, so what? The short form is legit enough that he could enlist in the military or get a government issued ID from any state in the union.
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Post by Kliquid on Apr 2, 2012 14:27:43 GMT -5
I'm not saying anything other than that the document is doctored.
If we can't agree on that, then we can't move onto the next branch of the discussion... But all facts point toward it being doctored.
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Post by Wato Stan Account on Apr 2, 2012 14:32:32 GMT -5
If you want to believe something you can always find facts in your favor.
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Post by Kliquid on Apr 2, 2012 14:41:18 GMT -5
If you want to believe something you can always find facts in your favor. I've said since day one that I *think* Obama is a US Citizen. I'm simply noting that the document itself has been doctored.
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Post by hbkrules on Apr 2, 2012 14:46:11 GMT -5
sigh...if it's on youtube it must be true
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Post by sean™ on Apr 2, 2012 14:47:56 GMT -5
Just for the sake of understanding the full argument, where could one find the "officially released" Certificate? I'm kind of new to the party I guess, so I'm just wondering how to link the Document in the video to being officially released by Obama/US Government/State Officials.
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Post by Kliquid on Apr 2, 2012 14:52:34 GMT -5
sigh...if it's on youtube it must be true Are you insinuating that the press conference they held in Arizona about this, didn't happen? 'kay. Just for the sake of understanding the full argument, where could one find the "officially released" Certificate? I'm kind of new to the party I guess, so I'm just wondering how to link the Document in the video to being officially released by Obama/US Government/State Officials. www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Apr 2, 2012 14:53:20 GMT -5
I'm not saying anything other than that the document is doctored. If we can't agree on that, then we can't move onto the next branch of the discussion... But all facts point toward it being doctored. All facts except for a motive. Except for the fact that it would make absolutely, positively no sense whatsoever. And the fact that the Photoshop metadata could be easily explained by someone just opening the file in Photoshop. But whatever. This is the problem with Birthers. Absolutely nothing in the world will convince them they're wrong. Nothing. Birthers claim Obama was born in Kenya. Why won't he release his birth certificate? Obama releases his short form certificate. This would be sufficient if he wanted to register to vote or enlist in the armed forces. Birthers claim this is a coverup. Why won't he release his long form certificate? Obama releases his long form certificate Birthers claim this is faked. Obama produces a video of him shooting out of his mom's vajayjay. Birthers claim the video is faked. The video could've been anyone. All newborns look the same. Proves nothing. Obama resurrects the doctor who delivered him. The zombie doctor testifies that he did indeed deliver Obama in Hawaii as all the records attest. Birthers claim that zombies have no legal standing. How can this possibly be believed? Obama invents a time machine and takes birthers back to a Hawaiian hospital where they witness his birth. Birthers point out that this is impossible as no one can exist in a timeline where they didn't already exist therefore what they saw was an alternate timeline and proves absolutely nothing. And we could go on into absurdity. NOTHING will prove a Birther wrong because they are blind to any evidence that goes against what they've already concluded.
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Post by Kliquid on Apr 2, 2012 14:54:47 GMT -5
You keep talking motive. I'm not even discussing that. I'm merely stating that the document has been forged.
The reason WHY it was forged is up for discussion, but I'm not even getting into that.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Apr 2, 2012 15:22:05 GMT -5
Impeach the bastard!
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Post by Wato Stan Account on Apr 2, 2012 15:24:08 GMT -5
sigh...if it's on youtube it must be true Are you insinuating that the press conference they held in Arizona about this, didn't happen? 'kay. Sure it happened; but we all know Arizona is the den of political sanity, so it HAS to be true what they're saying.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Apr 2, 2012 19:25:07 GMT -5
Also, apparently Tea Party = non-partisan.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2012 19:27:28 GMT -5
I thought we were past this?
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Post by Captain d00m - Mr. 3000 on Apr 2, 2012 19:36:12 GMT -5
IF RON PAUL WAS PRESIDENT, DANIEL BRYAN WOULD'VE HAD 30 MINS AND RETAINED!!!! RON PAUL 2012 REVOLUTION!
I can't believe this is still an issue. Even if he is a Muslim from Kenya, he's doing a far better job than any Republican candidate last election, and he'll do a better job than Romney.
Muslim Kenyan 2012. 4 more years.
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Post by chillax on Apr 2, 2012 23:08:03 GMT -5
I thought we were past this? Pretty sad, huh? The whole thing is sad. Never let reality get in the way of your personal bias. Next we are gonna get - Round Earth Fake - Flat Earth Rulez!
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Post by Kliquid on Apr 3, 2012 1:10:59 GMT -5
Also, apparently Tea Party = non-partisan. It's an independent group of researchers. Funded by whomever, the research itself isn't being disputed by anyone that I'm aware of.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Apr 3, 2012 8:18:36 GMT -5
I thought we were past this? Pretty sad, huh? The whole thing is sad. Never let reality get in the way of your personal bias. Next we are gonna get - Round Earth Fake - Flat Earth Rulez! Actually saw a post on a social network that argued the earth was flat. Some astronaut posted a pic of the Earth from space. The guy replied that the Earth is not a round ball so the picture is fake. What is his proof? If the Earth was a round ball then people on the bottom of the ball like in Australia would fall off into space. He claimed the Earth is shaped like a wheel and we're on the inside. #facepalm
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