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Post by gullyman1985 on Apr 14, 2012 17:33:32 GMT -5
Well if the numbers you say are accurate then yeah, they screwed the pooch on that aspect of the line. Hogan needs what? 5 versions, Taker...5 again, Bret 5, Michaels 5, Rey? 3 maybe. The rest should have been for guys like Morales, Elizabeth, Savage, Steamboat, Von Erich, Bravo, Lord Alfred Hayes etc.
By the way it really annoys me when Mattel collectors go on about 'jakks use the same body, just a different head for each figure' - have you seen the Mattel basics line? It's the exact same body for each frigging figure! At least with jakks you had 3-4 body types.
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Post by LeighD on Apr 14, 2012 17:47:26 GMT -5
Well if the numbers you say are accurate then yeah, they screwed the pooch on that aspect of the line. Hogan needs what? 5 versions, Taker...5 again, Bret 5, Michaels 5, Rey? 3 maybe. The rest should have been for guys like Morales, Elizabeth, Savage, Steamboat, Von Erich, Bravo, Lord Alfred Hayes etc. By the way it really annoys me when Mattel collectors go on about 'jakks use the same body, just a different head for each figure' - have you seen the Mattel basics line? It's the exact same body for each frigging figure! At least with jakks you had 3-4 body types. ^ Anyone that says that about the CS line is a completely clueless moron. I do have solid numbers of total number of figures each character had made, I know for a fact Hogan had 19. In all fairness, that was in roughly a years time those 19 figures came out (2006 more or less). JAKKS didn't know about losing the WWE license until early 2008. But still Bret, Shawn, Piper, UT, and others got more figures and those names were the ones that hit double digits in terms of total produced figures. |
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Post by celebratewrestling on Apr 14, 2012 22:36:45 GMT -5
Gosh, I really miss this line. I'm happy Jakks is doing TNA figures, but this is the one thing I miss, from when they had the WWE license. So many great names. A lot I'm surprised they even made. I know a lot of people prefer Mattel, but Jakks has them beat with the Classics. We are probably never going to get such a large library of legend figures from a series ever again. I remember getting the first set from a KB Toys. I was only nine when the first set came out, so I didn't really know what I was getting exactly, but now that I've grown and now that I've seen a lot more wrestling and know a lot more of the wrestlers, I now realize what a great series this was. I like to forget the last one or two sets they put out, but this line was great nonetheless.
Thank you, Jakks.
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Post by Nivro™ on Apr 15, 2012 19:57:01 GMT -5
Well if the numbers you say are accurate then yeah, they screwed the pooch on that aspect of the line. Hogan needs what? 5 versions, Taker...5 again, Bret 5, Michaels 5, Rey? 3 maybe. The rest should have been for guys like Morales, Elizabeth, Savage, Steamboat, Von Erich, Bravo, Lord Alfred Hayes etc. By the way it really annoys me when Mattel collectors go on about 'jakks use the same body, just a different head for each figure' - have you seen the Mattel basics line? It's the exact same body for each frigging figure! At least with jakks you had 3-4 body types.People saying that Jakks only had 3-4 bodies isnt 100% entirely correct but neither is saying Mattel basics all use the same body. The big argument with Jakks/Mattel was the fact that Jakks 7 times out of 10 used the WRONG bodies whereas most of Mattel bodies (basic and or Elite), while not perfect, appear to be more sized and scaled appropriately. |
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Post by LeighD on Apr 16, 2012 5:40:47 GMT -5
Well if the numbers you say are accurate then yeah, they screwed the pooch on that aspect of the line. Hogan needs what? 5 versions, Taker...5 again, Bret 5, Michaels 5, Rey? 3 maybe. The rest should have been for guys like Morales, Elizabeth, Savage, Steamboat, Von Erich, Bravo, Lord Alfred Hayes etc. By the way it really annoys me when Mattel collectors go on about 'jakks use the same body, just a different head for each figure' - have you seen the Mattel basics line? It's the exact same body for each frigging figure! At least with jakks you had 3-4 body types.People saying that Jakks only had 3-4 bodies isnt 100% entirely correct but neither is saying Mattel basics all use the same body. The big argument with Jakks/Mattel was the fact that Jakks 7 times out of 10 used the WRONG bodies whereas most of Mattel bodies (basic and or Elite), while not perfect, appear to be more sized and scaled appropriately. While I don't want this to become an agurement thread because its a CS dedication thread, I tend to find JAKKS' bodies were on the bigger side, while Mattel's were on the smaller side. I do feel JAKKS could have made a few new bodies molds for the CS line. |
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Post by Greensborohill on Apr 16, 2012 10:51:16 GMT -5
Well if the numbers you say are accurate then yeah, they screwed the pooch on that aspect of the line. Hogan needs what? 5 versions, Taker...5 again, Bret 5, Michaels 5, Rey? 3 maybe. The rest should have been for guys like Morales, Elizabeth, Savage, Steamboat, Von Erich, Bravo, Lord Alfred Hayes etc. By the way it really annoys me when Mattel collectors go on about 'jakks use the same body, just a different head for each figure' - have you seen the Mattel basics line? It's the exact same body for each frigging figure! At least with jakks you had 3-4 body types.People saying that Jakks only had 3-4 bodies isnt 100% entirely correct but neither is saying Mattel basics all use the same body. The big argument with Jakks/Mattel was the fact that Jakks 7 times out of 10 used the WRONG bodies whereas most of Mattel bodies (basic and or Elite), while not perfect, appear to be more sized and scaled appropriately. I stopped collecting mattel once I realized their Mr. Perfect was 6'10", their Akkem was 6'3", and their Bam Bam was 7'. I was a major turn0ff since everyone was raving at how great mattel was at scaling figs. . . not so much. . . |
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Post by Nivro™ on Apr 16, 2012 11:27:19 GMT -5
People saying that Jakks only had 3-4 bodies isnt 100% entirely correct but neither is saying Mattel basics all use the same body. The big argument with Jakks/Mattel was the fact that Jakks 7 times out of 10 used the WRONG bodies whereas most of Mattel bodies (basic and or Elite), while not perfect, appear to be more sized and scaled appropriately. I stopped collecting mattel once I realized their Mr. Perfect was 6'10", their Akkem was 6'3", and their Bam Bam was 7'. I was a major turn0ff since everyone was raving at how great mattel was at scaling figs. . . not so much. . . I dont think anyone said they were scaled perfectly but they are in general scaled more properly. That and most of the mattels that do have scaling problems can be easily fixed. Unlike 5'11'' 260lbs Bruno Sammartino being the exact same size as 6'7'' 303lbs Hulk Hogan. No toy company will be completely perfect. To expect that from anyone is just completely unrealistic. People saying that Jakks only had 3-4 bodies isnt 100% entirely correct but neither is saying Mattel basics all use the same body. The big argument with Jakks/Mattel was the fact that Jakks 7 times out of 10 used the WRONG bodies whereas most of Mattel bodies (basic and or Elite), while not perfect, appear to be more sized and scaled appropriately. While I don't want this to become an agurement thread because its a CS dedication thread, I tend to find JAKKS' bodies were on the bigger side, while Mattel's were on the smaller side. I do feel JAKKS could have made a few new bodies molds for the CS line. Im not really trying to argue anything, I still collect both. Well mainly Mattels and random Legends figures (if they ever get made). Jakks and Mattel are obviously two very different companies. I know people wanted to mix their Jakks and Mattel figures but basically that's bad business for Mattel so it was only smarter for them to make their figures a different size but still kinda scaled in size with Jakks so kids can mix them. |
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Post by Halloween King on Apr 16, 2012 12:50:43 GMT -5
I stopped collecting mattel once I realized their Mr. Perfect was 6'10", their Akkem was 6'3", and their Bam Bam was 7'. I was a major turn0ff since everyone was raving at how great mattel was at scaling figs. . . not so much. . . No toy company will be completely perfect. To expect that from anyone is just completely unrealistic. While I don't want this to become an agurement thread because its a CS dedication thread, I tend to find JAKKS' bodies were on the bigger side, while Mattel's were on the smaller side. I do feel JAKKS could have made a few new bodies molds for the CS line. Im not really trying to argue anything, I still collect both. Well mainly Mattels and random Legends figures (if they ever get made). Jakks and Mattel are obviously two very different companies. I know people wanted to mix their Jakks and Mattel figures but basically that's bad business for Mattel so it was only smarter for them to make their figures a different size but still kinda scaled in size with Jakks so kids can mix them.[/quote] I dont think anyone said they were scaled perfectly but they are in general scaled more properly. That and most of the mattels that do have scaling problems can be easily fixed. Unlike 5'11'' 260lbs Bruno Sammartino being the exact same size as 6'7'' 303lbs Hulk Hogan.This statement to me is dumb. Only because Jakks Never once claimed to be to scale, as far as figures. Yet mattel uses scale as a selling point. So when you tell me that you can fix something you're really telling me you bought something that wasnt right to begin with. Scale is just silly to me. Im buying a toy. While it's nice to see one figure taller than the other, it is not that important. When I hear Scale I just think.............. ok one more thing that they can mess up on, which they have. And ........ Oh so that's another reason why im paying considerably more for this Mattel figure. |
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Post by Halloween King on Apr 16, 2012 12:59:59 GMT -5
To be fair, those guys you mentioned all needed more than one CS figure because of the evolution of their careers. Well see now I say no we didnt need those guys. Especially guys who were on the active roster at the time. Like Hbk, HHH, Rey, UT, Hardys, and so on. Maybe one day they will be legends/classics. Maybe they already are to you. But when I see a HHH or HBK in the same classics line up as say Big John Studd, Bruno Samartino, Dusty Rhodes, and others who havnt wrestled in years I get pissed. Active roster guys should have been limited to RA, wrestlemania, and other figure lines that featured current wrestlers. |
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Post by Greensborohill on Apr 16, 2012 13:11:32 GMT -5
I stopped collecting mattel once I realized their Mr. Perfect was 6'10", their Akkem was 6'3", and their Bam Bam was 7'. I was a major turn0ff since everyone was raving at how great mattel was at scaling figs. . . not so much. . . So I should have to "fix" the scale issues w/ my Mattels, mind you everyone, mattel included, said that scale would be "great" w/ mattel. But w/ Jakks the issues are such that we just complain about them and not use the same excuse? "They're easily fixable!" Plus, now Elitie's and any "classic" guys are $16 a pop? Fvck that! |
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Post by June on Apr 16, 2012 13:17:47 GMT -5
^ What customs are you working on? I saw some nice glass display towers IKEA has for $60 (I guess that is cheap) I was thinking about putting some of my rarer figures and prototypes & test shots in. I had 2 of those towers, the only problem was assembling it, I did not want to take them apart and rebuild so I gave them away when I moved. I'm working on quite a few customs at the moment. Several characters that were not created by Jakks. |
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Post by gullyman1985 on Apr 16, 2012 14:25:18 GMT -5
I stand by my 'evolution of their characters' opinion in regards to the aforementioned characters but would i have been happy with just 1 of each in order to get more 70's, 80's, 90's guys not made? Absolutely.
And I don't really feel that way about the mattel basic line, I'm sure there are many subtle body differences but I was trying to prove a point about how some of the Jakks bashing is unfounded.
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Post by LeighD on Apr 16, 2012 20:26:28 GMT -5
I do think many gusy deserved more than a few figure simply because of the evolution of their careers. However I really wish guys that were signed were given more of a priority than producing someone's 7th or 8th or 19th re-paint, ESPECIALLY guys whom have NEVER had a figure made of them before.
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Post by Nivro™ on Apr 16, 2012 20:37:58 GMT -5
I dont think anyone said they were scaled perfectly but they are in general scaled more properly. That and most of the mattels that do have scaling problems can be easily fixed. Unlike 5'11'' 260lbs Bruno Sammartino being the exact same size as 6'7'' 303lbs Hulk Hogan. No toy company will be completely perfect. To expect that from anyone is just completely unrealistic. So I should have to "fix" the scale issues w/ my Mattels, mind you everyone, mattel included, said that scale would be "great" w/ mattel. But w/ Jakks the issues are such that we just complain about them and not use the same excuse? "They're easily fixable!" Plus, now Elitie's and any "classic" guys are $16 a pop? Fvck that! Well like I said, nothing is going to be perfect. The collectors were the ones up in arms about wanting Mattel to scale their figures properly and for the most part they really are. Ive fixed up Mattel figures and Ive fixed up Jakks ones as well. Everything evolves, including wrestling figures. Jakks brought us real scan technology, Mattel is bringing us a more proper scaling and whomever is next in line with further it even more. As for the price, Mattel has already said that they have no control over that. Price of fuel goes up and the price of everything else is going to go up as well. Thats simple economics. |
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Post by June on Apr 17, 2012 6:04:32 GMT -5
What some people are not understanding about the large amount of repaints of stars like Hogan, HBK, Hitman ect,actually helped us get figures that otherwise would have not gotten a release ie Brisco's, Strongbow, aka guys that would never be made in Mattel's Randy Savage & Bret Hart legends line.
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Post by Greensborohill on Apr 17, 2012 10:28:20 GMT -5
What some people are not understanding about the large amount of repaints of stars like Hogan, HBK, Hitman ect,actually helped us get figures that otherwise would have not gotten a release ie Brisco's, Strongbow, aka guys that would never be made in Mattel's Randy Savage & Bret Hart legends line. Truth Everyone else needs to stop b!tching. If you like Matty so much, there is a board for it. LeighD didn't start this thread their, he started it here in its rightful place. |
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Post by gullyman1985 on Apr 17, 2012 13:28:56 GMT -5
To be honest with you I don't know that many 70's wrestlers but the glaring omissions from the CS series were: Bobo Brazil, Adrian Adonis, Nick Bockwinkel, Pat Patterson, Pedro Morales, and Buddy Rogers (60's technically but hey).
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Post by Blackbird 13 on Apr 17, 2012 16:27:26 GMT -5
The biggest beauty of the CS line for someone like me who collects loose is that you can add in ALL of the characters from the RA, AD, and PPV series as well!
I've got one of each person (not each character, as I'm missing Papa Shango, Akeem, and Knuckleball) they made in RA/AD/CS style.. and I doubt that collection will ever be trumped.
For what it's worth.. I have replaced a few RAs as updated Mattel Elites have become available (The Miz, Zack Ryder, Vickie, etc..).
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Post by gullyman1985 on Apr 17, 2012 16:43:21 GMT -5
That's exactly what I have, it started out as a Classic Series collection with the focus being 'only those who made an impact on wrestling' then it quickly expanded to every single wrestler made in the CS series before finally being every wrestler made by Jakks.
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Post by STING on Apr 17, 2012 17:54:48 GMT -5
I am so glad to see all the CS fans still. It truly is a wonderful collection of figures.
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