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Post by comintogetcha on May 27, 2012 13:12:56 GMT -5
WWE was being misleading on their website, implying that it the videos were storyline related even thiugh they weren't. And no, not all video games take at least a year to program, especially not a sports title like WWE games are, where the next game is going to be little more than a roster update. Yes, PWInsider got the information wrong initially, they corrected themselves and moved on. Let's get some other examples, come on, convince me. Don't just sit around crying like children posting memes and engaging in ad hominem attacks. You guys are wrong, and you know your wrong, just admit it. Just because you believe certain websites and publications are inaccurate does not make them so. You're free to hold onto your ignorant opinions which you can't back up in any sort of convincing manner, but they are just that, opinions. Um, Cory Ledesma said they started on WWE 13 before 12 came out (which those games are never just roster updates so you clearly have no knowledge of them). Second, they NEVER implied they were storyline related. Finally, based Inge leaked trailer this was clearly not a flip flop as it is part of their ad campaign for the game. Give it up bro. T*HQ, a company that is on the brink of insolvency and could very well be bankrupt before the next WWE game hits stores shelves, was working on WWE 13 before WWE 12? What sense does that make? If you don't think any of the games are nothing more than roster updates, then you must have been asleep during the PS2 era, that's all those games were. And yes, WWE did imply it was storyline related, I posted te link a page or two back. I told you, they were wrong about this. You guys are completely at a loss when it comes to making a compelling argument.
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Post by wabarrett on May 27, 2012 13:18:14 GMT -5
You called them a credible website. The next day we found out that their 'report' on the Revolution promos was way off, and nothing more than speculation, something we on WF are capable of. End of discussion. They had zero insider onfo, they knew f*** all like the rest of us.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2012 13:19:39 GMT -5
Max, I've seen your posts for years, always have found you compelling and intelligent, my only question is...why do you use your intelligence analyzing wrestling dirtsheets? Why not political science, or theology or the stock market or biology or quantum mechanics? Or, perhaps you study those topics and wrestling as well, but I dunno...I love this business but to me it's not a very deep subject and you seem too smart for it.
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Post by comintogetcha on May 27, 2012 13:43:11 GMT -5
You called them a credible website. The next day we found out that their 'report' on the Revolution promos was way off, and nothing more than speculation, something we on WF are capable of. End of discussion. They had zero insider onfo, they knew f*** all like the rest of us. You've got one argument! One! And it's not even a very good one! Just keep putting that track on repeat buddy, god speed! I don't give two craps about any supposed dirtsheet websites. What annoys me is people here making false claims and specious arguments based on irroneous evidence. Just because you believe something is true, does not make it so. The fact is that no one here has made a compelling argument to back up their baseless accusations. When I point this out, all I get are more specious arguments and ad hominem attacks. I just want to vanquish ignorance. And no, I'm not saying the belief that dirtsheet websites are wrong is an ignorant one (although it is an incorrect one), but when the argument is presented without fact, then it becomes one.
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Post by PenguinDeluxe on May 27, 2012 14:00:12 GMT -5
Um, Cory Ledesma said they started on WWE 13 before 12 came out (which those games are never just roster updates so you clearly have no knowledge of them). Second, they NEVER implied they were storyline related. Finally, based Inge leaked trailer this was clearly not a flip flop as it is part of their ad campaign for the game. Give it up bro. T*HQ, a company that is on the brink of insolvency and could very well be bankrupt before the next WWE game hits stores shelves, was working on WWE 13 before WWE 12? What sense does that make? If you don't think any of the games are nothing more than roster updates, then you must have been asleep during the PS2 era, that's all those games were. And yes, WWE did imply it was storyline related, I posted te link a page or two back. I told you, they were wrong about this. You guys are completely at a loss when it comes to making a compelling argument. Because that's how most video game companies work, especially on yearly games. Bankruptcy or not, they still have to release video games in the future, they don't just stop working, that guarantees bankruptcy, especially when dealing with one of their top franchises. All companies will start the production schedules at the tail end of the first game in hopes that a sequel will be approved (which is easy to assume in this case with it being said yearly game). And PS2 era? You mean JBI, SYM, HCTP, SvR, and 2k6? Those games were all different from one another. 2007 was very similar, but the first to be on next gen consoles. Seriously dude, you're just trolling at this point.
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Post by comintogetcha on May 27, 2012 14:05:07 GMT -5
T*HQ, a company that is on the brink of insolvency and could very well be bankrupt before the next WWE game hits stores shelves, was working on WWE 13 before WWE 12? What sense does that make? If you don't think any of the games are nothing more than roster updates, then you must have been asleep during the PS2 era, that's all those games were. And yes, WWE did imply it was storyline related, I posted te link a page or two back. I told you, they were wrong about this. You guys are completely at a loss when it comes to making a compelling argument. Because that's how most video game companies work, especially on yearly games. Bankruptcy or not, they still have to release video games in the future, they don't just stop working, that guarantees bankruptcy, especially when dealing with one of their top franchises. All companies will start the production schedules at the tail end of the first game in hopes that a sequel will be approved (which is easy to assume in this case with it being said yearly game). And PS2 era? You mean JBI, SYM, HCTP, SvR, and 2k6? Those games were all different from one another. 2007 was very similar, but the first to be on next gen consoles. Seriously dude, you're just trolling at this point. Seriously dude, you're arguments are weak. T*HQ doesn't even have the capital to invest in any new projects these days. We'll wait and see on what WWE 13 is like, but there's zero chance they've been working on it for more than a year, especially when WWE 12 only came out 12 months ago.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on May 27, 2012 15:08:14 GMT -5
Every dirtsheet is a worthless piece of garbage and so are the people that write them. And anybody that takes them seriously is a total moron. I don't understand why you are defending such a worthless cause.
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Post by wabarrett on May 27, 2012 15:08:53 GMT -5
You called them a credible website. The next day we found out that their 'report' on the Revolution promos was way off, and nothing more than speculation, something we on WF are capable of. End of discussion. They had zero insider onfo, they knew f*** all like the rest of us. You've got one argument! One! And it's not even a very good one! Just keep putting that track on repeat buddy, god speed! I don't give two craps about any supposed dirtsheet websites. What annoys me is people here making false claims and specious arguments based on irroneous evidence. Just because you believe something is true, does not make it so. The fact is that no one here has made a compelling argument to back up their baseless accusations. When I point this out, all I get are more specious arguments and ad hominem attacks. I just want to vanquish ignorance. And no, I'm not saying the belief that dirtsheet websites are wrong is an ignorant one (although it is an incorrect one), but when the argument is presented without fact, then it becomes one. I (we) repeat it because you keep sidestepping it. I'm keeping an eye on every single thing PWInsider reports in the near future and when they report some more total BS I'll send ya a PM containing the 100% false story so you can see for yourself how unreliable they are.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on May 27, 2012 15:13:39 GMT -5
You've got one argument! One! And it's not even a very good one! Just keep putting that track on repeat buddy, god speed! I don't give two craps about any supposed dirtsheet websites. What annoys me is people here making false claims and specious arguments based on irroneous evidence. Just because you believe something is true, does not make it so. The fact is that no one here has made a compelling argument to back up their baseless accusations. When I point this out, all I get are more specious arguments and ad hominem attacks. I just want to vanquish ignorance. And no, I'm not saying the belief that dirtsheet websites are wrong is an ignorant one (although it is an incorrect one), but when the argument is presented without fact, then it becomes one. I (we) repeat it because you keep sidestepping it. I'm keeping an eye on every single thing PWInsider reports in the near future and when they report some more total BS I'll send ya a PM containing the 100% false story so you can see for yourself how unreliable they are.No don't do that, make a thread so we can all see the proof of how idiotic this guy and his precious dirtsheets are.
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Post by PenguinDeluxe on May 27, 2012 15:50:00 GMT -5
Because that's how most video game companies work, especially on yearly games. Bankruptcy or not, they still have to release video games in the future, they don't just stop working, that guarantees bankruptcy, especially when dealing with one of their top franchises. All companies will start the production schedules at the tail end of the first game in hopes that a sequel will be approved (which is easy to assume in this case with it being said yearly game). And PS2 era? You mean JBI, SYM, HCTP, SvR, and 2k6? Those games were all different from one another. 2007 was very similar, but the first to be on next gen consoles. Seriously dude, you're just trolling at this point. Seriously dude, you're arguments are weak. T*HQ doesn't even have the capital to invest in any new projects these days. We'll wait and see on what WWE 13 is like, but there's zero chance they've been working on it for more than a year, especially when WWE 12 only came out 12 months ago. Your argument is they can't invest in new games. Yet... They're releasing new games. Your logic is flawless. Who cares what you THINK when everyone else KNOWS from public accounts by THQ? Just look at their release line up!
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Post by scoobypat on May 27, 2012 17:50:30 GMT -5
WWE was being misleading on their website, implying that it the videos were storyline related even thiugh they weren't. And no, not all video games take at least a year to program, especially not a sports title like WWE games are, where the next game is going to be little more than a roster update. Yes, PWInsider got the information wrong initially, they corrected themselves and moved on. Let's get some other examples, come on, convince me. Don't just sit around crying like children posting memes and engaging in ad hominem attacks. You guys are wrong, and you know your wrong, just admit it. Just because you believe certain websites and publications are inaccurate does not make them so. You're free to hold onto your ignorant opinions which you can't back up in any sort of convincing manner, but they are just that, opinions. Some sports games are finished 3 months prior to release and that crew begins immediately to work on the next. I'm an avid NCAA player and for years they've insisted they cannot update uniforms even after release because they've already begun the next iteration. Some crews even work in odd year cycles (see CoD) where one studio works on a 2012 release and another on a 2013 an it so on. So yes, most games are made more than a year out. Secondly where was it ever implied that it was storyline related? Thirdly even if that implication was true (which it is not) how does it in anyway excuse one of the top "wrestling news sources" for publishing false information based on speculation no more in the know than the average fan and passing it as fact? You want sources, you want examples? We're giving you a blatant example of one of the top dirt sheets doing something less than one freaking week ago, how much more in your face do you need this to be? Also you must not know anything about business if you think companies don't begin work on their next project before publishing their current one while they're in financial trouble. What are they supposed to do if the bounce back "Oh no, we didn't work on anything, we thought we were goners." What about those studios they own, do they just pay designers and say "sit tight"? I couldn't disagree more with the guy above who say's you're an intelligent fellow who should focus his energy else where. Not to be a dick, but your grasp of journalism is fundamentally flawed, your concept of business has so many holes in it, you need to focus your energy into education rather than debate. You've got some issues in your arguments that you never address just move on from.
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Post by scoobypat on May 27, 2012 17:56:19 GMT -5
You called them a credible website. The next day we found out that their 'report' on the Revolution promos was way off, and nothing more than speculation, something we on WF are capable of. End of discussion. They had zero insider onfo, they knew f*** all like the rest of us. You've got one argument! One! And it's not even a very good one! Just keep putting that track on repeat buddy, god speed! I don't give two craps about any supposed dirtsheet websites. What annoys me is people here making false claims and specious arguments based on irroneous evidence. Just because you believe something is true, does not make it so. The fact is that no one here has made a compelling argument to back up their baseless accusations. When I point this out, all I get are more specious arguments and ad hominem attacks. I just want to vanquish ignorance. And no, I'm not saying the belief that dirtsheet websites are wrong is an ignorant one (although it is an incorrect one), but when the argument is presented without fact, then it becomes one. Agreed... and now you know why I hate dirt sheets. Case closed.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2012 19:19:58 GMT -5
I think he's Dave Meltzer.
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Post by GAm3r357 on May 27, 2012 20:48:30 GMT -5
LMAO
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Post by comintogetcha on May 27, 2012 21:00:11 GMT -5
Oh my god, for the 100th time, yes, they got the ing video game thing wrong. You guys have ONE example that you've been harping on for FIVE PAGES as though one unimportant example discredits EVERYTHING. I gave you MORE THAN A DOZEN examples of things that were accurately reported, and all you guys can come up with is ONE?! Give me a damn break. Get a life kids, I'm tired of your nonsense and ad hominem attacks. Learn how to articulate a convincing argument and try again.
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Post by The Yes Man on May 27, 2012 21:14:39 GMT -5
Your guys Dirtsheets F'ing suck....... The one I use, is almost never wrong.....
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Post by PenguinDeluxe on May 27, 2012 21:30:14 GMT -5
Oh my god, for the 100th time, yes, they got the ing video game thing wrong. You guys have ONE example that you've been harping on for FIVE PAGES as though one unimportant example discredits EVERYTHING. I gave you MORE THAN A DOZEN examples of things that were accurately reported, and all you guys can come up with is ONE?! Give me a damn break. Get a life kids, I'm tired of your nonsense and ad hominem attacks. Learn how to articulate a convincing argument and try again. The problem is you refuse to acknowledge that argument simply because it proves you wrong. As an actual Journalism student, there is enough evidence that dirt sheets are wrong. You just have some bug up your ass. How about Batista at WM or the night after? That happened right? Plenty of sources reported him returning. Or how about Brock returning at SummerSlam 2005? The Internet wrestling community practically broke then. Or Lesnar vs Taker at WM27, or Taker vs Sting?
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2012 21:34:04 GMT -5
Hominem.
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Post by comintogetcha on May 27, 2012 21:37:18 GMT -5
Oh my god, for the 100th time, yes, they got the ing video game thing wrong. You guys have ONE example that you've been harping on for FIVE PAGES as though one unimportant example discredits EVERYTHING. I gave you MORE THAN A DOZEN examples of things that were accurately reported, and all you guys can come up with is ONE?! Give me a damn break. Get a life kids, I'm tired of your nonsense and ad hominem attacks. Learn how to articulate a convincing argument and try again. The problem is you refuse to acknowledge that argument simply because it proves you wrong. As an actual Journalism student, there is enough evidence that dirt sheets are wrong. You just have some bug up your ass. How about Batista at WM or the night after? That happened right? Plenty of sources reported him returning. Or how about Brock returning at SummerSlam 2005? The Internet wrestling community practically broke then. Or Lesnar vs Taker at WM27, or Taker vs Sting? So one example alone is enough to invalidate a dozen other ones on the other side of the argument? If that's what you're learning in journalism school, you better ask for a refund. 1. No one ever said Batista was going to be on Wrestlemania or have anything to do with WWE. All that was ever reported was that he was in Florida that weekend, doing an appearance for some charity event. 2. Brock actually was in negotiation to return to WWE in 2005, but negotiations fell apart, the two sides went to court, and Brock won. 3. Lesnar and Take worked an angle at that UFC show, the one where they had the stare down. Vince wanted the match to happen, Dana White said no. 4. No one ever said Sting was wrestling Undertaker at Wrestlemania. There were negotiations between WWE and Sting in March 2011, but they didn't get very far and Sting went back to TNA because he didn't want to work the schedule WWE wanted of him.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2012 21:38:22 GMT -5
What about that time when Randy Orton was supposedly in the dog house and they were going to give him a fisherman gimmick?
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