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Post by bad guy™ on Jul 17, 2012 12:59:44 GMT -5
Well Ace and I had a few characters in mind when he first took over, when we originally thought about rebranding...but since he had just taken over, we left well enough alone. I love Steel personally, I'd like to think I kind of added something to his personality with the way I've written him over the years, but again...I'm not against new everything starting this next show...with it sort of being a rebirth of the WFWF what we're aiming for and such. Out with the old, in with the new so to say. That would be my reasoning if we did it...not because of their affiliation with another federation. Haha.
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Post by Kyzer on Jul 17, 2012 13:06:02 GMT -5
Just Steel and Thames to my recollection. But honestly, ditching characters just for their association to another fed (which at the time of their move over was dead) is kinda stupid. They've basically been in WFWF longer than they were in XWA and they didn't return/get used in XWA since it's reopening. I mean honestly, who'd ya have in mind for replacements? Kyzer's kid and the ghost of that Kylie chick who OD'd? I got a midget now. He can do it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2012 13:09:09 GMT -5
Personally I see no reason to change the commentary team. I don't really see the need to change the show name either. In retrospect it does kind of annoy me that the 'weekly' show has had so many different names rather than just one steadfast name that could be seen as an institution.
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Post by bad guy™ on Jul 17, 2012 13:20:58 GMT -5
Well it's changed because everyone ownership team has wanted to sort of have their own thing...you guys were probably little to no different when you combined Hybrid and Code Red into Odium (presuming my timeline is correct seeing as I wasn't here and would be for another year or two). It was your baby, it lived and died with you. Same with FDS, Loaded and the every-show-has-a-different-name thing E and I did...but maybe that's just the way I'm looking at it. Haha.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Jul 17, 2012 13:21:19 GMT -5
Personally I see no reason to change the commentary team. I don't really see the need to change the show name either. In retrospect it does kind of annoy me that the 'weekly' show has had so many different names rather than just one steadfast name that could be seen as an institution. Really, amid all the name changes, Loaded has kinda stuck. It may not be the best name, but neither were Nitro, or Raw, or anything else from the pro world, but they stuck. If you guys want to go the rebranding route, give this place an image. Do what I suggested months ago, and really clean house on those sticky threads. Make a new logo - I made you new belts (and never got around to making a new one for Obo), and I'd be willing to take a stab at a new logo too. Drakz might too. You've got some accomplished graphic designers here - use 'em. Get those sticky threads under your name. We don't need a separate shrine for the CBT and Johnny Michaels. That's what the Hall Of Fame is for. If I had mod powers, I'd do this for you. I don't, but hell, I'll even type up the messages and code them for you, all you have to do is c+p, but there's a lot of dead weight here, and you could really put a mark on the place by cleaning it up and making it your own.
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Post by Ace Bennett on Jul 17, 2012 13:46:44 GMT -5
Personally I see no reason to change the commentary team. I don't really see the need to change the show name either. In retrospect it does kind of annoy me that the 'weekly' show has had so many different names rather than just one steadfast name that could be seen as an institution. Really, amid all the name changes, Loaded has kinda stuck. It may not be the best name, but neither were Nitro, or Raw, or anything else from the pro world, but they stuck. If you guys want to go the rebranding route, give this place an image. Do what I suggested months ago, and really clean house on those sticky threads. Make a new logo - I made you new belts (and never got around to making a new one for Obo), and I'd be willing to take a stab at a new logo too. Drakz might too. You've got some accomplished graphic designers here - use 'em. Get those sticky threads under your name. We don't need a separate shrine for the CBT and Johnny Michaels. That's what the Hall Of Fame is for. If I had mod powers, I'd do this for you. I don't, but hell, I'll even type up the messages and code them for you, all you have to do is c+p, but there's a lot of dead weight here, and you could really put a mark on the place by cleaning it up and making it your own. I've been planning on doing one thing at a time after SOTF. I added the updated stuff to the Past Results Archive. I've been wanting to make a new Guidebook myself for a while now, and haven't gotten around too it. I do agree that there are a ton of stickied topics that either need to go or be redone though.
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Post by Raider on Jul 17, 2012 13:56:32 GMT -5
I agree with SYE.. a new name would be the least of my worries considering how out-of-date most of the data on the WFWF boards are.
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Post by Kyzer on Jul 17, 2012 14:44:09 GMT -5
I don't see why this all can't be part of the same. After SOTF unleash the new show, clean up the boards, new graphics. It would be like a facelift to the fed. I agree that the place needs one, but you do need a starting point. I don't see the problem being with the facelift to the show.
Drakz seems to forget that we changed the names of everything and pissed on the past "institutions". I am not recommending the same thing but I don't see anything wrong with wanting to make your own mark in the history of the WFWF as owners.
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Post by Ace Bennett on Jul 17, 2012 15:08:52 GMT -5
I'm going to start with the framework for this "facelift" so to say right now guys. I like that we can have a discussion about this. I need to go back and find those belt graphics in the GD, and I'll start right off with the title history. I'm gonna have a look at all of the stickied topics right now, and I might even update the entire sign up board, and make all of the notable characters as entries in an "Alumni" Post so to speak. That way, only active people would be on the main sign up board.
Let's have all discussion about this stay in this thread. I'm open to all ideas, so let's hear anything that you guys think would make this place better.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Jul 17, 2012 15:22:50 GMT -5
I'm going to start with the framework for this "facelift" so to say right now guys. I like that we can have a discussion about this. I need to go back and find those belt graphics in the GD, and I'll start right off with the title history. I'm gonna have a look at all of the stickied topics right now, and I might even update the entire sign up board, and make all of the notable characters as entries in an "Alumni" Post so to speak. That way, only active people would be on the main sign up board. Let's have all discussion about this stay in this thread. I'm open to all ideas, so let's hear anything that you guys think would make this place better. If you're talking about the belts I made, you already had put them in the title history.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2012 15:29:24 GMT -5
Drakz seems to forget that we changed the names of everything In retrospect it does kind of annoy me that the 'weekly' show has had so many different names rather than just one steadfast name that could be seen as an institution. How could I ever forget all that fun we had babe?
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Post by Ace Bennett on Jul 17, 2012 15:33:40 GMT -5
I'm going to start with the framework for this "facelift" so to say right now guys. I like that we can have a discussion about this. I need to go back and find those belt graphics in the GD, and I'll start right off with the title history. I'm gonna have a look at all of the stickied topics right now, and I might even update the entire sign up board, and make all of the notable characters as entries in an "Alumni" Post so to speak. That way, only active people would be on the main sign up board. Let's have all discussion about this stay in this thread. I'm open to all ideas, so let's hear anything that you guys think would make this place better. If you're talking about the belts I made, you already had put them in the title history. .....I knew that. I'm gonna do a couple of small things today, such as clean up the Roll Call and update the Tour Schedule. Do you guys think I should just delete the color thread? I don't see that it serves much purpose anymore.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Jul 17, 2012 15:45:45 GMT -5
If the green stars magically appeared under my name, here's what I'd do, step by step:
1) Either come up with a game plan for the Development Center, or shoot off a PM to the admins and have that sub board erased.
2) Begin in the sign-up board. Log the names/dates of all entries in the WFWF Roster/Title History/Hall Of Fame, and any information that will still be used from any other info/sticky threads. Delete all old threads. Color thread, on air staff, and inactive profile threads do not need to be remade.
3) New thread: WFWF Current Roster. Utilize this thread as both your head count of who is active, and as your roll call. Use this thread for players to become active/inactive as they come/go. Designate current champions here. Include on air staff/NPCs here as a reply.
4) New thread: WFWF Hall Of Fame. A list of names and dates is nice. I'd do due diligence to use whatever old profiles are left (more on that in a moment) to include as many pic bases as possible.
5) New thread: WFWF Championship History. Simple format. Descending order for each belt, starting with most recent, and a pic base of the current champions. Use both my belt images, as well as the "Enter Title Here Champion" banners that Drakz made. This makes it easier for new champs to pull that image into their sig if they wish. It's all in one place.
6) Once this is all done (and this is the part that could take some time) - wipe the sign up board clean of any inactive profile threads. Incentivize it. Someone quits/goes inactive, make them put in the work to create a new profile. It'll show that much more dedication on their part to wanting to join.
7) Draft a new handbook. Include the profile template. Include your no show policy. Include any rules you want stuck to from here. Make it YOURS. Don't bother with form. You run this place, not whoever wrote the last one. Emphasize how things are done here - shared writing duties, voting committee, etc. Look at it like a total newcomer, and include everything they should know to be successful.
8) The past results board is pretty solid. The only thing I'd do is scratch anything from your tenure from Kyzer's thread, and then take the time to lock each card/results post. That will keep things in a relatively sequential order, and it's a pretty handy reference.
9) From there, I'd consider a new logo, a new show, and whatever else you've got dreamed up. That'd really cement your tenure here, and would probably breathe a little bit more life into this place. A plea for membership in the Lounge doesn't hurt either - once this is all done. It's how I got dragged back in.
....or at least that's how I'd do it. I'd be willing to draft up any threads you may need, so all you'd have to do if copy + paste. Coding, images, and all.
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Post by bad guy™ on Jul 17, 2012 16:52:24 GMT -5
Most of that could work...the only things I wouldn't count on are the DC board being erased and the logos being changed in the headers. We can't do that...the admins have to...and we're still waiting two years later for them to swap Thunder for me even when they've agreed to it how many times. That we really have no control over. Haha.
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Post by Prophet of Ash on Jul 17, 2012 17:02:21 GMT -5
Brennan 13. for a better tomorrow.
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Post by sonstuds on Jul 17, 2012 17:29:53 GMT -5
I can understand Horror's desire for something different that isn't E's. I am more about ditching the commentators. Don't need XWA personalities as commentators. a) Werner was only ever in the WFWF. He was introduced in a RP that was co-written by Alex and myself during yours' and Drakz's ownership. Old man Kyzer can't remember old time things lol. b) Every commentary team in the history of anything has always been based around the principle of the play-by-play man and the color analyst. The color analyst is more often then not someone who was a professional in that field. Hence Matt Steel, a character who was actually a wrestler in the XWA. I suppose we could have been like everyone before us and just make up two characters with no distinctive personalities and thus lame commentary, but nah, I'm a fan of realism and interesting dialogue. *flicks hair* Joking aside I obviously couldn't care less if the commentary team gets changed but y'all are kidding yourselves if you're not going to acknowledge that Matt Steel is clearly the best on-screen character we've ever had. But Kyzer's just jelly that nothing during his ownership has lasted four years after it started like Alex and I. On topic my only suggestion is if you're going to update everything and change characters then for the on air-staff it should be more uniformed. wfigs.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=wfwfrpovcrv&action=display&thread=43769By that I mean every pic is the same size except the Willis pic. It maybe my OCD coming into play but I think it makes it look kind of blah. I'd be happy to do those for you if you want.
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Post by Prophet of Ash on Jul 17, 2012 20:31:15 GMT -5
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Post by Kyzer on Jul 18, 2012 12:22:20 GMT -5
I can understand Horror's desire for something different that isn't E's. I am more about ditching the commentators. Don't need XWA personalities as commentators. a) Werner was only ever in the WFWF. He was introduced in a RP that was co-written by Alex and myself during yours' and Drakz's ownership. Old man Kyzer can't remember old time things lol. b) Every commentary team in the history of anything has always been based around the principle of the play-by-play man and the color analyst. The color analyst is more often then not someone who was a professional in that field. Hence Matt Steel, a character who was actually a wrestler in the XWA. I suppose we could have been like everyone before us and just make up two characters with no distinctive personalities and thus lame commentary, but nah, I'm a fan of realism and interesting dialogue. *flicks hair* Joking aside I obviously couldn't care less if the commentary team gets changed but y'all are kidding yourselves if you're not going to acknowledge that Matt Steel is clearly the best on-screen character we've ever had. But Kyzer's just jelly that nothing during his ownership has lasted four years after it started like Alex and I. On topic my only suggestion is if you're going to update everything and change characters then for the on air-staff it should be more uniformed. wfigs.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=wfwfrpovcrv&action=display&thread=43769By that I mean every pic is the same size except the Willis pic. It maybe my OCD coming into play but I think it makes it look kind of blah. I'd be happy to do those for you if you want. I remember the promos Alex used Werner in, I just thought Alex carried him over from his XWA run. I would rather nothing I did get carried over honestly as an owner because I feel like my ownership with Drakz was unique for the things that we did. I would be annoyed if I saw someone copying me or just being too lazy to come up with their own stuff. I pitched this name to Horror, but I like the name Quickening. Other than the highlander reference, it means rebirth and revitalization. I think that fits perfectly with what is going on storyline wise with Xavier Pierce. But that is just my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2012 13:17:37 GMT -5
So I've spoken to Kyzer about this and we both think it's a pretty good idea.
How would people feel about instating a word limit rule? Attaching different limits to different matches of course, and not always just a higher limit for matches higher up the card either.
I would quite like to get the opportunity to write a shorter more concise piece but not have to worry about getting swamped by a huge RP from my opponent. Adding a smaller word limit to a match could allow for this and I think it adds a new challenge for writers which could make the matches a lot of fun and something different from what we're used to.
I only hope enough people see this here and respond. I imagine some people will hate the idea but perhaps that's because they don't feel they could write a piece of great quality when their length has been constricted? Challenge yourselves.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2012 13:19:06 GMT -5
Of course some matches would have limits that still allowed for a lengthy RP, I don't mean every limit would be smaller than what some people are used to. A variety of both to mix up the styles of people's RPs.
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