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Post by Prophet of Ash on Aug 3, 2012 13:38:22 GMT -5
word limits got trialed in the house shows, when I was running them, and it really just ended up more as a handicap, and as a gimmick for matches (people doing 100 word limit roleplays and such). A lot of times, my roleplays do come out pretty long, but they're only covering the angles I've got going, and setting groundwork for future angles. I try to overlap my in roleplay angles as much as I can, so that there's no clear start and stop point to each piece of the story.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2012 13:55:26 GMT -5
I wouldn't be too opposed, but there would always be the inevitable "Well I was limited in what I could do, blah blah" loss excuse.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2012 14:13:21 GMT -5
100 words is far too short. Of course the limits wouldn't be stupidly short as this would destroy any real creativity at all.
As for people saying they were limited then that simply proves they're not good enough to pull out a win in any situation.
It's only an idea, I just want to push some people out of their comfort zones etc. It would also work in that if someone who usually does shorter pieces suddenly finds themselves in a match with a higher limit to what they're used to putting out then they might push themselves to come out with a bigger idea. However it could always just end up with people writing filler bull sh*t to pad it out.
I like this thread for bouncing ideas off of each other.
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Post by bad guy™ on Aug 3, 2012 14:53:04 GMT -5
I was talking to Mak about word count a couple of days ago. We both kind of have a min/max limit of 5,000 which has been successful for the both of us.
But I wonder, what does a word count really do? Two thousand words for Brennan vs. me. I'm a respectable writer, but even then, Brennan's skills are arguably unmatched, only to a few people. What he could fit into two thousand words absolutely crushes anything I could ever dream of putting into two thousand words, even if I figured out how to condense my pieces down from five thousand to two.
I also worry it will hinder the growth of our "younger" writers like Krause and Stone. It took me years to crack the one thousand word barrier, and only after my last few rivalries with Wayne, Ashton, ZMaster and Thunder have I been able to feel somewhat decent about the work I could put out against the best. And I worry that by limiting what people can do...it's limiting what they can potentially become as a writer.
But you know, that's just my opinion. Haha.
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Post by Rated R on Aug 3, 2012 15:13:55 GMT -5
I really doubt I'd stick around if we brought a word limit in here. I'm already in another fed that uses a rolling word limit and I have no intention of making that two. The whole reason I enjoy it here and stick around is because I have the freedom to write what I want. If we bring in a word limit then I'd have to drop out here and find that freedom somewhere else since I won't drop out of the other fed simply because we brought in the same rule as them.
The biggest issue I have is that it seems this rule would be brought in because some people write longer pieces than others and some people seem to feel that just because a piece is longer makes it better. Take Cam against Sabat this week. Sabat wrote a long ass roleplay (even if half of it was copied and pasted) while Cam wrote a simple monologue. But it's pretty easy to argue that Cam wrote the better piece. Roleplays should be judged on quality, not length.
If you want a word limit on your match, I say you talk about that with your opponent and sort it out. Don't restrict the whole to appease the few.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2012 15:50:54 GMT -5
Not the best example as realistically Sabat's RP was average in length, just with a number of versions. Has anyone read every single possible outcome?
However I do personally agree quality over quantity every day of the week however I feel some people do get unnecessarily "wowed" by the length of some RPs.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Aug 3, 2012 15:52:19 GMT -5
I can't get behind a word count. I get the motive, but I feel like a word count is unnecessarily restrictive, and is better reserved for an in house gimmick match.
Out of curiosity, I decided to go back and word count all my rps up to this point.
"These Two Boots of Mine": 5,556 "Hometown Throwdown": 2,219 "Third Man In": 2,560 "Saving David Brennan": 3,321 "Our Great War Is A Spiritual War": 3,090 "The Death Of David Brennan": 5,472 (Part I: 1,403 + Part II: 4,069) "The Condition Of Being David Brennan": 2,541 "Too Late, Ride It Out": 2,266 "End Of Days": 2,855 "Four Steps Back": 1,598 "Why We Fight": 2,553 "Brotherhood": 2,307 "Some Fatherly Advice": 1,643 "Skinhead's Alright": 1,575
I fluctuate. Some of my most recent rps were shorter than some of my earliest ones. I just write, with a general idea and how I'm going to use each rp to try and move the story along. I feel like a word count restriction would hinder what I do, as it'd be another variable I'd have to consider when I sit down to write.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2012 17:16:01 GMT -5
Seeing Brennan's word counts, I got curious myself:
First RP in WFWF: New Beginnings -- 1,104 The One Needing Saving -- 1,172 Sunny, with a Chance of Disappointment -- 1,589 With the Missus -- 1,634 The Tiebreaker -- 2,242 Around Town -- 2,112 One of Those Days -- 2,482 Back to Form (That was a stupid title in hindsight) -- 1,949 Family Visit (from Loaded Go Home Show for Super Effective to Super Effective) -- Part 1: 4,134/Part 2: 4,467 (Combined: 8,601) Change it Up -- 3,686 Clipping the Wings from a Cardinal -- 2,515 Apple Jacks -- 2,633 Delusional -- 2,211 Party Hard...Once You Can Remember -- 2,014 Most Recent: No (More) Regrets....For the Time Being -- 5,177
Went up slightly with each RP initially, shot up for a couple RPs, then went back down for the most part before shooting back up again. Looks like I'll go back down lol. I generally just sit and write and get it all in one go, only with 2-3 RPs so far have I actually let something sit for a couple days before editing it more.
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Post by Prophet of Ash on Aug 3, 2012 17:36:05 GMT -5
000 - The Prequel -- 369 001 - The Return -- 2918 002 - Gib Mir Den Tod -- 1507 003 - The Exorcist -- 3753 004 - The Addiction -- 3568 005 - The Confessional -- 1552 006 - The Lehrer -- 2178 007 - Bully -- 2060 008 - Untitled -- 976 009 - Respect -- 806 010 - Frances Farmer -- 2446 011 - TLTMOTFMASS -- 2666 012 - The Saga of the Dog with the Itchy Ass -- 2162 013 - Crispy Chicken -- 1785 014 - An Old Friend -- 3576 015 - Panties -- 3770 016 - Condoms -- 4157 017 - The King of All Media -- 11741 017 - Kylie's Adventure -- 1349 018 - Waving the Weinstein Flag -- 2071 019 - Christmas Past & Present -- 7462 020 - Grindhouse Memoirs -- 3465 021 - Recovery -- 5963 022 - With a Little Help from my Friends -- 20534 023 - Mystery -- 324 024 - The Girlfriend Experience -- 4179 025 - Error 404 -- 3488 026 - With a Little Help From My Friends Part 2 -- 5823 027 - Living Dead Girl -- 6202 028 - Mein Kaempfe -- 15420
I have a very exact average, and you can definitely tell where I've half assed it. Too bad there's a couple that really should be under 1000 words that are among the longest..
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Post by Kyzer on Aug 4, 2012 19:32:22 GMT -5
See 15420 words is too much. I have never read an rp that had that many words and couldn't use with some things cut out.
I do feel like people in this fed, see a long rp and automatically think it is golden.
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Post by Prophet of Ash on Aug 5, 2012 8:50:25 GMT -5
Mein Kaempfe was posted as two different roleplays.
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