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Post by Rule 30 on Sept 1, 2012 11:00:19 GMT -5
Simple question. I'm sure we've seen this thread before, but a lot of people have been credited with the birth of the Attitude Era from Stone Cold to Shawn Michaels in DX. Who in your mind created the Attitude Era?
Stone Cold: Easily the most popular pick. His famous Austin 3:16 speech launched his character and the attitude era in some minds. Won the WWF title at Wrestlemania 14 which is often labeled as the start of the era. Arguably was the star of the era and has had the most memorable moments.
D-Generation X: Once they formed in 1997 DX constantly pushed the envelope much like the rest of the Attitude Era. Much like Stone Cold they have had some of the most memorable moments from the time period and Shawn even had what was credited as five star match with Undertaker. Shawn also had his role in the Montreal Screwjob which created the Mr. McMahon character.
Mr. McMahon: The man who was responsible for the screw job which launched his Mr. McMahon persona. He had a well over year long feud with Stone Cold which you could see was the reason why the WWF defeated WCW in 1998 and 1999. Plus he's the Chairman.
Bret Hart: His feud with Austin helped launched his [Austin's] career to the next level. Dominated the scene in 1997 with the Hart Foundation and of course he was the victim of the Montreal Screwjob. Before Shawn and Vince he was the top heel in the company in 97.
WCW/nWo: The massive lead WCW and the nWo had over the WWF in 1996 and 1997 could be the reason why the WWF changed their product and launched the era.
Other: Could be anyone from Steve Blackman to Brian Christopher. Knock yourself out.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2012 11:18:35 GMT -5
I cant decide! WCW/NWO created the atmosphere of anything can happen here, where as Austin/DX were vulgar rebels who didnt give a damn.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2012 11:24:09 GMT -5
I'd say the nWo created it, and then Steve Austin/Mr. McMahon/DX made it big. nWo started in 1996, whereas WWE didn't really start booming until late 1997. Without the revolutionary things WCW did with the nWo, there really wouldn't be an attitude era.
I'd also say ECW had an influence on it as well. Definitely should be considered.
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Post by Rule 30 on Sept 1, 2012 11:30:53 GMT -5
I'd say the nWo created it, and then Steve Austin/Mr. McMahon/DX made it big. nWo started in 1996, whereas WWE didn't really start booming until late 1997. Without the revolutionary things WCW did with the nWo, there really wouldn't be an attitude era. I'd also say ECW had an influence on it as well. Definitely should be considered. Good point with ECW, I didn't even think of that. It could have easily had an influence considering everything ECW and WWF did with each other at the time. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2012 14:59:58 GMT -5
great topic Penguin.
IMO the collossal success of the WCW/nWo angle is what gave birth to Vinces "Attitude Era".
he tried competing with WCW in 96 on his own terms and was getting slaughtered so he looked to the edgy pattern of Heymans guerilla outfit to compete.you can see in 97 where Vince started to push it and Austins heel who was adored by fans was instrumental......
through Austin Vince felt the shift in crowd attitude too....and he started to embellish his other characters accordingly.UT was allowed to become less of a supernatural character and more of a ruthless asskicker,Bret became a heel because the fans were sick of plain babyface characters.....Michaels was allowed to be himself and thats where DX came from.
in other words Vince HAD to take a risk because of the diasterous financial year he had in 96.things like the Screwjob and its 100% accidental fallout(vince thought the fans would genuinely pity him)were just pure gravy.
Ill finish by saying this.....Vince is capable of GREAT genius when his back is against the wall.this man needs competition to strive....when he doesnt have it you get what we have now and what we had in the mid 90s.
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Post by Mike Bockwinkel on Sept 1, 2012 15:05:04 GMT -5
There's one important name that shouldn't be overlooked: Brian Pillman
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2012 15:11:07 GMT -5
They all did. You can't attribute the AE to one single event or person, it was a group of people, and it steadily came in. You could see AE elements as early as late 95 (Goldust/Razor feud). Diesel flipping vince off in 96, The Rise of Austin in 96/96, Bret pushing vince and turning heel in 97, Pillman pulling a gun on Austin, The faction wars between DX, The Nation and the Harts, The Screwjob.
They all contributed.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2012 15:12:40 GMT -5
There's one important name that shouldn't be overlooked: Brian Pillman oh yes.the angle with Pillman & Austin was an early experiment......NO doubt in my mind. |
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Post by Daniel F'n Bryan on Sept 1, 2012 15:15:48 GMT -5
In my eyes it was the NWO and ECW. And THEN Austin solidified it.
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Post by Raine on Sept 1, 2012 15:32:43 GMT -5
ECW was the main influence, Vince had never gone down that route he took in 97/98 ever, don't think he would have either if ECW never existed.
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Post by PVA on Sept 1, 2012 17:40:59 GMT -5
The answer is ECW.....half the things that happened in the attitude era was ripped off from ECW.
BTW Brian Pillman started that crazy loose cannon gimmick in ECW prior to going to WWE
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Post by Johnny Wrestling on Sept 1, 2012 22:19:21 GMT -5
Well, technically, the Attitude Era is part of the WWF only. While the nWo pretty much pushed for it to be created, you can't say they were the ones who created it. I would say it was Stone Cold. He was being a rebel, feuded with Hart who seemed to be going edgier, but still, Austin was the most rebel superstar there was. McMahon played a big part of Austin's character becoming bigger, but I think the Mr. McMahon character wouldn't have been as successful without the Stone Cold character.
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Post by drifter on Sept 1, 2012 23:24:03 GMT -5
The answer is ECW.....half the things that happened in the attitude era was ripped off from ECW. BTW Brian Pillman started that crazy loose cannon gimmick in ECW prior to going to WWE Actually The Loose Cannon started in WCW. You had stuff, where during a match, with Guerrero, he back peddled, and was grabbing at Bobby Heenan, causing him to swear on the air, or the Respect strap match with Kevin Sullivan, where he grabbed the mic a minute or so into the match and said, I respect you booker man, before leaving the ring. Bischoff thought him and Pillman were working some great angle, where Pillman would act crazy, and eventually get 'fired' by WCW and go to ECW, to further create the loose cannon persona and return to WCW. Pillman, with his cunning mind, convinced Bischoff to make the angle really work, he needed a real release from WCW, so that the fans would think he was actually crazy. Gets his release, spends a little time in ECW, where he amped up the Loose Cannon persona, and then signed with the WWF. The best part about the whole birth of the Loose Cannon was Bischoff thought he and Pillman were going to be doing this work on the fans, when in reality, it was Bischoff that got worked by Pillman. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2012 23:36:34 GMT -5
Pillmans a damn genius.
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Post by paperbackhero on Sept 1, 2012 23:45:03 GMT -5
The answer is ECW.....half the things that happened in the attitude era was ripped off from ECW. BTW Brian Pillman started that crazy loose cannon gimmick in ECW prior to going to WWE Actually The Loose Cannon started in WCW. You had stuff, where during a match, with Guerrero, he back peddled, and was grabbing at Bobby Heenan, causing him to swear on the air, or the Respect strap match with Kevin Sullivan, where he grabbed the mic a minute or so into the match and said, I respect you booker man, before leaving the ring. Bischoff thought him and Pillman were working some great angle, where Pillman would act crazy, and eventually get 'fired' by WCW and go to ECW, to further create the loose cannon persona and return to WCW. Pillman, with his cunning mind, convinced Bischoff to make the angle really work, he needed a real release from WCW, so that the fans would think he was actually crazy. Gets his release, spends a little time in ECW, where he amped up the Loose Cannon persona, and then signed with the WWF. The best part about the whole birth of the Loose Cannon was Bischoff thought he and Pillman were going to be doing this work on the fans, when in reality, it was Bischoff that got worked by Pillman. Not exactly. Pillman's plan was to go back to WCW....when he injured his ankle, WCW didnt want to take the risk to sign him. He signed with WWF, had a 3 episode of RAW angle with Austin, then when they realized that he was in no memtal or physical condition for a high spot on the card, was dropped to mid card. |
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Sept 1, 2012 23:51:19 GMT -5
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Post by inkboy83 on Sept 1, 2012 23:59:12 GMT -5
I believe the "Attitude" era started in ECW ... WWF just had really good marketing to give it that mainstream appeal. But Attitude era was awesome so was Nitro when it was good.
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Post by drifter on Sept 2, 2012 0:11:28 GMT -5
Actually The Loose Cannon started in WCW. You had stuff, where during a match, with Guerrero, he back peddled, and was grabbing at Bobby Heenan, causing him to swear on the air, or the Respect strap match with Kevin Sullivan, where he grabbed the mic a minute or so into the match and said, I respect you booker man, before leaving the ring. Bischoff thought him and Pillman were working some great angle, where Pillman would act crazy, and eventually get 'fired' by WCW and go to ECW, to further create the loose cannon persona and return to WCW. Pillman, with his cunning mind, convinced Bischoff to make the angle really work, he needed a real release from WCW, so that the fans would think he was actually crazy. Gets his release, spends a little time in ECW, where he amped up the Loose Cannon persona, and then signed with the WWF. The best part about the whole birth of the Loose Cannon was Bischoff thought he and Pillman were going to be doing this work on the fans, when in reality, it was Bischoff that got worked by Pillman. Not exactly. Pillman's plan was to go back to WCW....when he injured his ankle, WCW didnt want to take the risk to sign him. He signed with WWF, had a 3 episode of RAW angle with Austin, then when they realized that he was in no memtal or physical condition for a high spot on the card, was dropped to mid card. See the way I heard it, Pillman's plan when he convinced Bischoff to give him his actual release was to be a real free agent. He planned to really build himself and his Loose Cannon persona up as a hot commodity, and then play both sides to get the best deal he could for himself, whether it be WCW or WWF. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2012 0:15:35 GMT -5
Script writers.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2012 2:12:40 GMT -5
Goldust is a good place to start.
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