MELO
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Post by MELO on Oct 9, 2012 1:30:44 GMT -5
Yup, just watched it again, it was fan with long-sleeve white shirt who sets Punk off.
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Post by DgenerationX092 on Oct 9, 2012 1:35:44 GMT -5
Look Again everyone, behind the guy with the glasses, there's a guy sticking the middle finger at Punk. He then pushes the back of Punk's head, the same time the guy with the sunglasses arm is coming down. From our perspective, its nothing more then an illusion. The bald guy took the fall for the a**whole behind himThat being said, now im gonna reevaluate. First of all, Punk had no reason to push that first kid (He's a KID), so when he pushed back, that was the same self defense Punk will be preaching soon. As far as the bald guy goes, there's alot of fans trying to get to Punk, so im sure he was jostled into him. He even puts his hands up in a "hey i don't want any trouble" kind of way. I'll admit he looks kind of drunk but I cant confirm that obviously. Then there's the push to the back of the head, the same time that guys arm comes down, Punk assumes its the bald guy, and attacks. Now, that said, Do I think the actual person responsible should have been on the receiving end? No. Punk as a professional should have looked past it and carried on. Would I be able to convict Punk however, for defending himself? Not really. I know I said I don't count a "Push" as aggressive in my first post, but this is a little different. But not to the point where it was absolutely necessary for Punk to break character and start blindly striking fans. So really I still find Punk at fault. Again, He put himself in that spot. You throw meat to hungry lions, and they're gonna eat.
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Fleet Foxes
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Post by Fleet Foxes on Oct 9, 2012 1:39:59 GMT -5
Was there tonight. Wasn't on TV, but the guy slapped Punk in the back of the head. I was there as well. This seems to be right.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Oct 9, 2012 1:41:46 GMT -5
Here's what I can tell: Kid in wristbands taps on Punk - not out of the ordinary for the fans there, then the camera goes a little out of focus, you can briefly tell the kid is a little too close for Punk's comfort, and he uses his bag to touch Punk to try and get his attention. Punk seems to overreact and pushes the kid out of the way. Kid gets pissed and pushes back harder. Punk looks at him. After this, it's hard to tell, but I think the kid went in for another push, and a guy in white BEHIND the Sunglass Guy shoved him, causing Punk to think Sunglass Guy did it, when all he did was stumble because of the other people/person shoving. Then the guy in white behind Sunglass Guy flipped Punk off behind his back and tapped him on the head. Punk thinks that - again - Sunglass Guy did, and he proceeds to attack him. So basically, the guy in white purposely made Punk think Sunglass Guy did all of it. What a ing coward. I feel awful for the Sunglass Guy.
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Post by Zigzag on Oct 9, 2012 1:44:31 GMT -5
It was self-defense all right, but bottom line, he hit the wrong guy. If I was physically bothering a wrestler while in the crowd, if he got pissed off and hit me, I'd call that a "dumbass penalty." However, the sunglasses guy did nothing. If anyone punched me, and I did nothing to deserve it...I'd be pissed.
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Post by King Silva on Oct 9, 2012 1:53:11 GMT -5
Here's what I can tell: Kid in wristbands taps on Punk - not out of the ordinary for the fans there, then the camera goes a little out of focus, you can briefly tell the kid is a little too close for Punk's comfort, and he uses his bag to touch Punk to try and get his attention. Punk seems to overreact and pushes the kid out of the way. Kid gets pissed and pushes back harder. Punk looks at him. After this, it's hard to tell, but I think the kid went in for another push, and a guy in white BEHIND the Sunglass Guy shoved him, causing Punk to think Sunglass Guy did it, when all he did was stumble because of the other people/person shoving. Then the guy in white behind Sunglass Guy flipped Punk off behind his back and tapped him on the head. Punk thinks that - again - Sunglass Guy did, and he proceeds to attack him. So basically, the guy in white purposely made Punk think Sunglass Guy did all of it. What a ing coward. I feel awful for the Sunglass Guy. Exactly.. The dude in white needs to get his ass beat; ing weasel..
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Post by Patriot174 on Oct 9, 2012 1:53:39 GMT -5
I'll just copy and paste what I posted in the Raw thread: These guys are taught to protect themselves if they are put in danger by the crowd; potentially being (allegedly) being shoved down a long flight of arena stairs would fall under that category. If it really is the case that Punk was being pushed by Sunglasses Guy (in an arena that has no bannisters in the lower level, mind you) with no security there to protect him, he had to take it into his own hands for his own safety.
After looking at the last fan-recorded video posted on this thread...fan was unfortunate to be standing behind an hole who shoved his elbow into Punk's face. I can see why Punk retaliated the way he did with the other fans in that area shoving him around, but much like [Ron Artest (NBA player) and the brawl he was involved in back in 2004], he ended up attacking the wrong aggressor. Truly don't know how WWE will respond to this or what'll happen to Punk now, but, with that last video, it doesn't look good.The dude behind Sunglasses Guy is a piece of for cowardly shoving Punk with a human shield in front of him. Punk should have definitely resisted (especially with his position in the company), but with what was happening to him in that crowd and no one there to protect him (can't truly imagine why no WWE security was there with him; wouldn't blame this on the arena security who had to stay at their posts), I can understand him doing that to protect himself. Again, not sure how WWE will respond to this, but being a big-time Punk fan, I'll be disappointed but not shocked if his lengthy reign comes to an abrupt end soon.
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Post by Rob on Oct 9, 2012 2:05:25 GMT -5
After watching that fan video, where the was security? He almost got pushed down the stairs, smacked around and pushed some more. That was poor of them to not protect him from that.
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Post by devilsayi on Oct 9, 2012 2:13:25 GMT -5
im a cm punk fan boy but i don't think he was in the wrong. who honestly wouldn't do the same?
besides it was in sacramento.. those fans are always causing bs.
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Post by Patriot174 on Oct 9, 2012 2:16:58 GMT -5
After watching that fan video, where the was security? He almost got pushed down the stairs, smacked around and pushed some more. That was poor of them to not protect him from that. Quoted. For. Truth. Can't believe that WWE security wasn't anywhere nearby to clear that crowd. Might be a first IIRC; those guys are usually on point when a wrestler enters the crowd area. im a cm punk fan boy but i don't think he was in the wrong. who honestly wouldn't do the same? I honestly thought the same thing, especially after seeing that last video and how physical that crowd got with Punk. No way in Hell if I'm starting to stumble down a flight of stairs due to intentional physicality would I take that lightly.
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Post by "Living Legend" Duttanized on Oct 9, 2012 2:28:15 GMT -5
The way I see it, Punk has to do this. If he doesn't do this, especially as the WWE Champion, he makes the superstars look weak. Granted he hit the wrong guy, which was a mistake. Wrestlers should always have power over the fans. If the fans got away with this, the pushing would have continued and the idiot's would have gone around calling wrestler's pussies because Punk didn't retaliate. He's simply protecting the business, douchey move but he has to do it.
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Post by BØRNS on Oct 9, 2012 2:37:10 GMT -5
I was there and saw it live. A fan(s) were pushing Punk and hitting him in the back of the head, so Punk responded to them.
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Post by BØRNS on Oct 9, 2012 2:38:50 GMT -5
Look Again everyone, behind the guy with the glasses, there's a guy sticking the middle finger at Punk. He then pushes the back of Punk's head, the same time the guy with the sunglasses arm is coming down. From our perspective, its nothing more then an illusion. The bald guy took the fall for the a**whole behind himThat being said, now im gonna reevaluate. First of all, Punk had no reason to push that first kid (He's a KID), so when he pushed back, that was the same self defense Punk will be preaching soon. As far as the bald guy goes, there's alot of fans trying to get to Punk, so im sure he was jostled into him. He even puts his hands up in a "hey i don't want any trouble" kind of way. I'll admit he looks kind of drunk but I cant confirm that obviously. Then there's the push to the back of the head, the same time that guys arm comes down, Punk assumes its the bald guy, and attacks. Now, that said, Do I think the actual person responsible should have been on the receiving end? No. Punk as a professional should have looked past it and carried on. Would I be able to convict Punk however, for defending himself? Not really. I know I said I don't count a "Push" as aggressive in my first post, but this is a little different. But not to the point where it was absolutely necessary for Punk to break character and start blindly striking fans. So really I still find Punk at fault. Again, He put himself in that spot. You throw meat to hungry lions, and they're gonna eat. Yes, and the bald guy was the one who get ejected from the arena. They had a ton of WWE staff and security on his ass right after this.
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Post by Markw on Oct 9, 2012 2:39:49 GMT -5
The way I see it, Punk has to do this. If he doesn't do this, especially as the WWE Champion, he makes the superstars look weak. Granted he hit the wrong guy, which was a mistake. Wrestlers should always have power over the fans. If the fans got away with this, the pushing would have continued and the idiot's would have gone around calling wrestler's pussies because Punk didn't retaliate. He's simply protecting the business, douchey move but he has to do it. So it's ok to assault people if it's good for the business?
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Post by BOOKER_T on Oct 9, 2012 2:44:24 GMT -5
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Post by devilsayi on Oct 9, 2012 2:46:22 GMT -5
i love how people are saying that punk had no right to push the kid. it was a nice enough shove to make punk move.
i know if a lets say a kid of that size pushed me while i was on stairs i would push back. the little dbag was also screaming in punks ear. punk may have hit the wrong guy but how is he supposed to know?
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Post by "Living Legend" Duttanized on Oct 9, 2012 3:02:24 GMT -5
The way I see it, Punk has to do this. If he doesn't do this, especially as the WWE Champion, he makes the superstars look weak. Granted he hit the wrong guy, which was a mistake. Wrestlers should always have power over the fans. If the fans got away with this, the pushing would have continued and the idiot's would have gone around calling wrestler's pussies because Punk didn't retaliate. He's simply protecting the business, douchey move but he has to do it. So it's ok to assault people if it's good for the business? Precisely. Wrestler's still have to look like individuals that can dish out pain when aggravated.
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DemonsWiLL
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Post by DemonsWiLL on Oct 9, 2012 3:03:14 GMT -5
Look Again everyone, behind the guy with the glasses, there's a guy sticking the middle finger at Punk. He then pushes the back of Punk's head, the same time the guy with the sunglasses arm is coming down. From our perspective, its nothing more then an illusion. The bald guy took the fall for the a**whole behind himThat being said, now im gonna reevaluate. First of all, Punk had no reason to push that first kid (He's a KID), so when he pushed back, that was the same self defense Punk will be preaching soon. As far as the bald guy goes, there's alot of fans trying to get to Punk, so im sure he was jostled into him. He even puts his hands up in a "hey i don't want any trouble" kind of way. I'll admit he looks kind of drunk but I cant confirm that obviously. Then there's the push to the back of the head, the same time that guys arm comes down, Punk assumes its the bald guy, and attacks. Now, that said, Do I think the actual person responsible should have been on the receiving end? No. Punk as a professional should have looked past it and carried on. Would I be able to convict Punk however, for defending himself? Not really. I know I said I don't count a "Push" as aggressive in my first post, but this is a little different. But not to the point where it was absolutely necessary for Punk to break character and start blindly striking fans. So really I still find Punk at fault. Again, He put himself in that spot. You throw meat to hungry lions, and they're gonna eat. Yes, and the bald guy was the one who get ejected from the arena. They had a ton of WWE staff and security on his ass right after this. Man that kid pushed Punk pretty hard. You can see punk tell him something. Then The crowd behind him pushed the sunglasses guy,who accidently pushed punk so he can regain his balance. Punk looked at him. Sunglasses guy clearly looked sorry/didn't mean it. As he attempts to put on his sunglasses, the guy behind him comes up, smacks the back of punks head and somewhat pushes s"sunglasses guy" slightly for his elbow to hit punks head also. When Punk turs around, the guy who smacked him was already back and sunglasses guy was looked at punk with his elbow flared. That's why punk swung. He hit the wrong guy. It was still self defense and a manner of protection. He told people to stop pushing/hitting. They were warned. Also someone on the raw thread said that the tickets that one purchases, states different rules and warnings. Maybe one is to not physically engage or instigate a wrestler to hit you, thus allowing them to take action?
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Post by davemartini1127 on Oct 9, 2012 3:05:58 GMT -5
Man that really sucks for sunglasses guy, he didn't do anything wrong and got the punishment for both a douchey man child and a cowardly bunghole. sucks twice as much for Punk because now he's in deep poop for one punching a fan and two punching the wrong guy. Man not a good end for either party.
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Post by Joe Delta on Oct 9, 2012 3:08:40 GMT -5
Man that really sucks for sunglasses guy, he didn't do anything wrong and got the punishment for both a douchey man child and a cowardly bunghole. sucks twice as much for Punk because now he's in deep poop for one punching a fan and two punching the wrong guy. Man not a good end for either party. Don't forget he shoved a minor.
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