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Post by Johnny Wrestling on Oct 29, 2012 0:40:22 GMT -5
Why not? Are Joker and Bane not beloved characters, even if they are "heels?" When Punk was the badass heel last summer, everyone loved him and he was getting cheered. So, he became a face. The only way Punk is going to be a bad guy is if he plays the coward. And WWE needs him to be bad when he faces Rock. Heel - getting cheered. Face - still getting cheered. Also, Rock will get a better reaction from the crowd no matter what, unless they are in Chicago.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Oct 29, 2012 0:45:41 GMT -5
Are Joker and Bane not beloved characters, even if they are "heels?" When Punk was the badass heel last summer, everyone loved him and he was getting cheered. So, he became a face. The only way Punk is going to be a bad guy is if he plays the coward. And WWE needs him to be bad when he faces Rock. Heel - getting cheered. Face - still getting cheered. Also, Rock will get a better reaction from the crowd no matter what, unless they are in Chicago. There's a far better pay-off if Rock comes back and FINALLY ends the year-plus long reign of the cowardly Punk then if they are both faces, playing the "I respect you, but I must win!" card.
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Post by AndyPeck13 on Oct 29, 2012 0:45:50 GMT -5
And we didn't get a payoff from the ref storyline a month ago. They'll play it like that, but that's not what we got. Who wanted a payoff from that? It doesn't make sense. Do you often read books/watch TV and at a pivotal part just decide it's stupid and give up before anything is explained to you?
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Post by Johnny Wrestling on Oct 29, 2012 1:00:24 GMT -5
Heel - getting cheered. Face - still getting cheered. Also, Rock will get a better reaction from the crowd no matter what, unless they are in Chicago. There's a far better pay-off if Rock comes back and FINALLY ends the year-plus long reign of the cowardly Punk then if they are both faces, playing the "I respect you, but I must win!" card. I never said Punk had to stay face. My only issue is that he has to be just yet another coward heel. Just like he said, he has been taking a backseat, and now that he gets the exposure, he can't get any clean wins. I'm not saying he should've defeated Ryback cleanly, but probably a clean win over Cena would've been good for Punk. It's not like 1 loss will really hurt Cena.
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Post by Brad on Oct 29, 2012 1:17:06 GMT -5
I'm shocked that you guys are upset about this. I thought that was the PERFECT ending to the show. Ryback still looks strong, AND Punk gets to keep the title. Plus, we get a pay-off on the Brad Maddox storyline from earlier in the month. It looks like WWE actually had a plan all along here... How can we be mad about this? Well said. I think this was great. Tomorrow we will have the "fallout" from HIAC. I can see Maddox part of Punks "posse" along with Heyman. Maybe even slowly add a few more pieces and turn it into a stable. I like this idea. I'm fine with the way it ended. Ryback did not look weak so he'll be just fine. He's still over as all get out. Yes, Punk looked like a cowardly heel but unlike most on this board that doesn't bother me and I"m glad he's kept the belt. Can't wait to see the fall out tomorrow night.
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Post by BØRNS on Oct 29, 2012 1:20:26 GMT -5
Punk needed to do whatever he could to preserve his WWE Championship, so as long as he is still champion, I'm happy. I think Brad Maddox should join Heyman since he'll most definitely get fired as a ref now.
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Post by Edge618 on Oct 29, 2012 1:27:51 GMT -5
And we didn't get a payoff from the ref storyline a month ago. They'll play it like that, but that's not what we got. Who wanted a payoff from that? It doesn't make sense. Do you often read books/watch TV and at a pivotal part just decide it's stupid and give up before anything is explained to you? You know, this can go both ways. You all act like I'm jumping to conclusions, and that Ryback won't fall from the main event, and that this referee storyline is some genius idea. Well you guys are jumping to conclusions just as much as I am. Fact is, I know WWE and they've done countless stupid storylines, and let guys fall from main event spots left and right. What if tomorrow Ryback isn't involved in any storyline, and he starts beating jobbers again? And what if this whole referee storyline is dropped tmw by just saying Heyman paid him off? Then what? I would be right. And if that doesn't happen, then you guys would be right, and I'd be OK with that. But knowing WWE, I doubt it goes how you guys think it will, and I'm not crazy for having my own opinion that could very well happen. Before the PPV, I expected a creative finish if Ryback didn't win the title, and we got a cheap, uncreative finish. They've made their reputation, so I'll make my conclusions based on it. Sorry that you guys buy in to everything they feed you. Its funny, because all the Ryback marks will be chanting "FEED ME MORE". No thanks, I'll feed myself, and I'll throw it up if it sucks, unlike you guys who will eat it right up.
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Post by Mr. Bo Ziffer on Oct 29, 2012 1:57:27 GMT -5
Do you often read books/watch TV and at a pivotal part just decide it's stupid and give up before anything is explained to you? You know, this can go both ways. You all act like I'm jumping to conclusions, and that Ryback won't fall from the main event, and that this referee storyline is some genius idea. Well you guys are jumping to conclusions just as much as I am. Fact is, I know WWE and they've done countless stupid storylines, and let guys fall from main event spots left and right. What if tomorrow Ryback isn't involved in any storyline, and he starts beating jobbers again? And what if this whole referee storyline is dropped tmw by just saying Heyman paid him off? Then what? I would be right. And if that doesn't happen, then you guys would be right, and I'd be OK with that. But knowing WWE, I doubt it goes how you guys think it will, and I'm not crazy for having my own opinion that could very well happen. Before the PPV, I expected a creative finish if Ryback didn't win the title, and we got a cheap, uncreative finish. They've made their reputation, so I'll make my conclusions based on it. Sorry that you guys buy in to everything they feed you. Its funny, because all the Ryback marks will be chanting "FEED ME MORE". No thanks, I'll feed myself, and I'll throw it up if it sucks, unlike you guys who will eat it right up.
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Post by Edge618 on Oct 29, 2012 2:06:02 GMT -5
^^^^ No, why does your club need more members?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2012 3:12:18 GMT -5
We haven't made an assumption about what will come from the finish. You have. Personally, I thought the finish was great. There's no use in talking to you, though, as you'll come back and respond with 2 paragraphs of nonsense.
I don't "eat up" whatever WWE is cooking, in fact, I still hate Ryback himself. However, that finish was the only way to make him look strong in defeat, and that's exactly what it did. How people are complaining about it I don't understand. Just shut up, and see how it plays out. I'll "eat crow" if I have to, as well.
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Post by Dan on Oct 29, 2012 4:58:35 GMT -5
I still think that because of the controversial finish, the decision will be voided and Ryback will keep his undefeated Streak
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Oct 29, 2012 5:12:49 GMT -5
It was clearly Mark Clattenburg in disguise. [/ukreference]
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2012 5:34:05 GMT -5
They should have given Punk a clean win. How are we supposed to believe he has a chance in beating THE ROCK if he can't legitimately beat a guy who can't lift Paul Heyman?
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Post by gtm on Oct 29, 2012 7:19:45 GMT -5
Felt like a wcw ending.
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Post by AndyPeck13 on Oct 29, 2012 7:20:21 GMT -5
Do you often read books/watch TV and at a pivotal part just decide it's stupid and give up before anything is explained to you? You know, this can go both ways. You all act like I'm jumping to conclusions, and that Ryback won't fall from the main event, and that this referee storyline is some genius idea. Well you guys are jumping to conclusions just as much as I am. Fact is, I know WWE and they've done countless stupid storylines, and let guys fall from main event spots left and right. What if tomorrow Ryback isn't involved in any storyline, and he starts beating jobbers again? And what if this whole referee storyline is dropped tmw by just saying Heyman paid him off? Then what? I would be right. And if that doesn't happen, then you guys would be right, and I'd be OK with that. But knowing WWE, I doubt it goes how you guys think it will, and I'm not crazy for having my own opinion that could very well happen. Before the PPV, I expected a creative finish if Ryback didn't win the title, and we got a cheap, uncreative finish. They've made their reputation, so I'll make my conclusions based on it. Sorry that you guys buy in to everything they feed you. Its funny, because all the Ryback marks will be chanting "FEED ME MORE". No thanks, I'll feed myself, and I'll throw it up if it sucks, unlike you guys who will eat it right up. Did I ever say the storyline would be good or bad? All I said was you're giving up on it 5 minutes after it happened. Give it at the very least till RAW so you can witness the fall out. Bashing something to the degree you have without even seeing how it will conclude is extremely close-minded.
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Post by Irish Wrestling Entertainment on Oct 29, 2012 7:47:12 GMT -5
It was clearly Mark Clattenburg in disguise. [/ukreference] #ClattenburgForAccrington Anyway, I enjoyed the finish last night at the time.. and obviously, on the night Ryback looked very strong. But Chase_618 has a good point about the future of this storyline. Let's look at this chronologically; the Royal Rumble takes place on 27 January 2013 where the Rock will face the current reigning WWE Champion. I'm sorry to those who like Ryback, but unfortunately the man has absolutely no mic skills and The Rock is one of the best talkers to ever grace the business. The saving grace? So is Punk. In my estimation, Punk and Rock needs to go ahead at the Rumble. We have 2 PPVs before then - Survivor Series and TLC. So if Ryback remains in the Title picture.. and wins at Survivor Series, he either faces The Rock or has a one month title reign. If he loses, then he's lost anyway.. and the entire purpose of last night is basically nullified. So whilst Ryback came out looking strong, unless they want him to fight Rocky @ The Rumble, he will lose the rematch (if he gets one). After that, Punk will go on to face The Rock and it's all downhill there for Ryback. 2 WWE Championship matches, 2 losses. Yeah, he can annihilate jobbers.. but he had his chance at the top, and he lost twice. It DOES hurt the character slightly because yes, he's still a monster. Yes, he can destroy Punk physically. But he can't get the job done. The only solution was to never choose Ryback to face Punk in the first place.
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Post by King Clayton of the MidWest on Oct 29, 2012 7:52:59 GMT -5
Not the best ending....WWE had better.
So glad I didn't order this.
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Post by cordless2016 on Oct 29, 2012 8:13:02 GMT -5
It makes him look beatable, because he got BEAT. you're missing the point. i'm a huge punk mark, and i know that what they did tonight was best for both. The bottom line is that Ryback was pinned, and looks human now. Doesn't matter if it was a fast count. They guy was beat. The reason Goldberg as so over was because he was a monster who nobody could defeat. Ryback doesn't have that now.
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Post by Zeke on Oct 29, 2012 9:17:53 GMT -5
Was I the only person to notice the ref jumping on Ryback's legs when Punk had him in the pin stopping him kicking out?
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Post by Adam on Oct 29, 2012 9:33:44 GMT -5
They should have given Punk a clean win. How are we supposed to believe he has a chance in beating THE ROCK if he can't legitimately beat a guy who can't lift Paul Heyman? He seems to be able to lift people fine if they know how to jump.
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