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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2012 15:13:42 GMT -5
Totally he was such a great wrestler imo.
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Post by paperbackhero on Nov 1, 2012 18:50:49 GMT -5
Great wrestler...not world title material....especially at that time.
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Post by Nivro™ on Nov 1, 2012 18:59:05 GMT -5
one kinda side-point to all this : how come never the WCW World Champion? he came into WCW in 1993 with great fanfare,and was teaming with Sting against Sid,Vader,and Harlem Heat. yet by Summer 1994 he was back in the WWF. i don't know what all the politics and such were in WCW with regards to him,but when he came there i really figured he'd be the guy to dethrone Vader. yet all his WCW time really amounted to nothing. Sting was still the top baby face in the company. If anyone was going to dethrone Vader it is/was Sting. Of course Bulldog didnt help himself by getting in a fight in a bar and getting fired either |
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Post by Glorydaysofwrestling on Nov 1, 2012 20:14:30 GMT -5
Davey Boy is one of my favorite wrestlers. His style is unique and awesome. I loved his time in the British Bulldogs and in the Hart Foundation the best.
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Post by Daniel F'n Bryan on Nov 2, 2012 2:59:21 GMT -5
I'm a fan of the Bulldog, but he was never "The Man." He was simply a top mid-carder who could be thrown into WWF Title feuds once in a while but was never truely a big threat to win the title. His greatest matches are w/ Bret, Owen, and HBK, and we know who carried those matches. A mixture of personal problems, not really being a "ring general" to put a classic together himself, and other more talented guys prevented him from ever winning the title, and I agree w/ the decision to never put it on him. To be honest I never saw a Shawn vs Bulldog match that was anything special. I don't think Shawn could have a good match with everyone like Bret did. Shawn's matches with Nash and Bulldog being the main matches that I can think of. No. I LOVE Davey Boy but I could never see him as being "the guy" to carry the company. No way. I disagree, when Jack Swagger and The Miz can hold a world title in recent years, there's no reason why Bulldog couldn't have at the very least been a transitional champion. I call bullshit. Bret himself has said he carried Bulldog in their Summer Slam match because Davey was  ed up on drugs and couldnt even remember the spots. And to answer the question no. He was good and I actually think he was a great worker but he had NO mic skills what so ever and he couldnt be trusted as the top guy. |
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Post by CMPUNKISGOOD on Nov 2, 2012 6:21:20 GMT -5
It is about spilt between yes and no
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2012 6:27:58 GMT -5
Amazing wrestler. World champion? Eh, not really.
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Post by paperbackhero on Nov 2, 2012 7:45:27 GMT -5
The beauty of the Owen/Bulldog and Bret/Bulldog matches is that no one man carried the other. Those matches were gold and wouldn't have been anywhere near as good if one man had to be carried.To be honest I never saw a Shawn vs Bulldog match that was anything special. I don't think Shawn could have a good match with everyone like Bret did. Shawn's matches with Nash and Bulldog being the main matches that I can think of. I disagree, when Jack Swagger and The Miz can hold a world title in recent years, there's no reason why Bulldog couldn't have at the very least been a transitional champion. I call bullcrap. Bret himself has said he carried Bulldog in their Summer Slam match because Davey was ed up on drugs and couldnt even remember the spots. And to answer the question no. He was good and I actually think he was a great worker but he had NO mic skills what so ever and he couldnt be trusted as the top guy. Meh...that's what Bret said once....he's been known to change his tune, as we all have, over the years. It takes two to tango. Bret may have led the match....but I dont think he was the sole reason it was such a great match. |
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Post by y2yay on Nov 2, 2012 9:00:04 GMT -5
The beauty of the Owen/Bulldog and Bret/Bulldog matches is that no one man carried the other. Those matches were gold and wouldn't have been anywhere near as good if one man had to be carried.To be honest I never saw a Shawn vs Bulldog match that was anything special. I don't think Shawn could have a good match with everyone like Bret did. Shawn's matches with Nash and Bulldog being the main matches that I can think of. I disagree, when Jack Swagger and The Miz can hold a world title in recent years, there's no reason why Bulldog couldn't have at the very least been a transitional champion. I call bullcrap. Bret himself has said he carried Bulldog in their Summer Slam match because Davey was ed up on drugs and couldnt even remember the spots. And to answer the question no. He was good and I actually think he was a great worker but he had NO mic skills what so ever and he couldnt be trusted as the top guy. Yeah but Bret's so far up his own ass that it's hard to tell when he's being truthful. I'm surprised he hasn't tried to credit himself with creating the WWE. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2012 12:44:30 GMT -5
I call bullcrap. Bret himself has said he carried Bulldog in their Summer Slam match because Davey was ed up on drugs and couldnt even remember the spots. And to answer the question no. He was good and I actually think he was a great worker but he had NO mic skills what so ever and he couldnt be trusted as the top guy. Yeah but Bret's so far up his own ass that it's hard to tell when he's being truthful. I'm surprised he hasn't tried to credit himself with creating the WWE. |
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Post by y2yay on Nov 2, 2012 12:57:44 GMT -5
Yeah but Bret's so far up his own ass that it's hard to tell when he's being truthful. I'm surprised he hasn't tried to credit himself with creating the WWE. Don't tell me you're going to try and deny it? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2012 13:28:52 GMT -5
Bret does have a big ego, no doubt. But I always find him completely truthful.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2012 13:35:00 GMT -5
I generally find bret hart truthful too to be honest.
IE on Austins DVD he says Owen should have called Steve over the piledriver.he was right of course
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Post by cordless2016 on Nov 2, 2012 14:49:20 GMT -5
I find Bret truthful and honest for the most part. He was the biggest star Vince had in the mid-90s, and he isn't afraid to admit it. He has always shot straight IMO and can be trusted over alot of other guys.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2012 12:55:57 GMT -5
I think people are taken back by Bret when he talks because he tells it from his view and he does put himself over at times. Rightfully so for the most part though.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2012 14:14:21 GMT -5
Miz and Swagger? Are serious bro? Bulldog was in his prime in the early to mid 90's when the company was entirely different. Not just anyone won the WWF Title back then. Now it's just a prop but back then "the guy" used to be champion. That's apples to oranges, and a terrible argument/justification as to why Bulldog should have won. Owen, Scott Hall, Mr. Perfect, all deserved to be champion around the same time DBS could have potentially won it and those men never won either. So I say no way, no how, did Bulldog deserve to win if those other guys didn't do it first. Maybe if Bulldog could cut a promo to save his life he would have pulled it off, but he was no closer to winning than anyone else on the upper midcard bubble and rightfully so if you ask me. I beg to differ.... How is that a promo? This Bulldog saying he's going to win the rumble because he's bizarre, please find anything else that shows him cutting an actual good promo |
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Post by Daniel F'n Bryan on Nov 3, 2012 14:32:09 GMT -5
When the hell did Bret Hart become Hulk Hogan?
Bret has always seemed straight foreward and honest to me. But you gotta remember all the health issues he had in the early 2000's.
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Post by y2yay on Nov 3, 2012 14:37:48 GMT -5
I'm not saying Bret is a liar, just that he never misses a chance to toot his own horn. I watched his Hall of Fame induction a few days ago and he ended up rambling on for about 10 minutes at the end, just putting himself over.
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Post by punksnotdead on Nov 4, 2012 9:11:13 GMT -5
How is that a promo? This Bulldog saying he's going to win the rumble because he's bizarre, please find anything else that shows him cutting an actual good promo Not to mention, it's horrid on top of not being a promo. Guy couldn't talk, there isn't anything to debate IMO. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Nov 4, 2012 16:23:58 GMT -5
I'm not saying Bret is a liar, just that he never misses a chance to toot his own horn. I watched his Hall of Fame induction a few days ago and he ended up rambling on for about 10 minutes at the end, just putting himself over. Considering he's one of the greatest talents we've seen and he was the top guy from 93-97, I think he is justified. |
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