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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 13:35:58 GMT -5
You are a writer for WWE tasked with the ongoing project of building that next top tier, torch carrying performer for the company...
Who is it, how do you begin laying the foundation?
CM Punk has eluded to having 2 more years...
Cena is 34 years old and has a list of injuries he has suffered..
Randy Orton is 32 and has had his share of issues these past few years...
So who would you begin priming to be that next Superstar to carry the WWE Torch?
Ryback is 30 years old and is now being built to be a solid charcter going forward. He is young enough to still have some years left to maintain the physique, lifestyle and schedule the business demands. He still has a long way to go on both in-ring and mic skills though.
Daniel Bryan has the ability, mic skills and dedication as well as the Indy background. He is 31 and lives a clean lifestyle and has been a success thus far. Does he have the look that adds the final touch to make him the next Cena, HBK or Hogan?
Dolph Ziggler is right there with DB, as he has it all including more of a marketable look that anyone else. He still has not yet reached that superstar status and could be built. Are his mic skills good enough yet?
Alberto Del Rio is someone that could be HUGE in my opinion as a that could be "The next big guy" in the heel category, if they would stop burying him against Orton. He has the mic skills, charisma and ring abilities, but has been buried so much that his credibility has suffered.
Cody Rhodes, to me, is the guy I would push to the moon and I would do it against Dolph. While neither are giants, I think they both have the charisma, persona, look, ability and passion to get over with fans. I can see Dolph as Face, while I see Cody being the evil heel.
Sheamus is all ready being pushed as a top star, but I honestly don't buy into him and neither do many other fans.
The Miz is also someone I honestly think could be amazing especially as a heel, but also as a face.
Cody, Daniel Bryan, Dolph and Miz have the ability to be pushed as the next top stars, but are not the typical WWE cookie cutter style performer.
If I were the WWE I would immediately start booking matches the way they did with HBK and Bret, to break that stereotype that the bigger guys always win. HBK beat Sid, Taker and HHH...Cody/Dolph/Bryan all have that ability to shine like HBK given the chance. Miz had more of a presence as a personality, but needs more in-ring skills.
Big Show, Rey, Mark Henry and HHH are going to be seeing the end of their in-ring careers over the next 2-3 years and the WWE needs to not only build new stars, but also begin changing the way wrestlers that aren't big & muscular are viewed, in order to create new stars.
The biggest hurdle for the WWE IMHO is not just building the star(s) but changing the perception as far as what considered to be dominant. Big is not necessarily better.
Looking forward to your input...
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Post by LtD73 on Nov 8, 2012 13:38:02 GMT -5
Like it or not. Ryback is that guy.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 13:42:20 GMT -5
Like it or not. Ryback is that guy. I'd be surprised if he is. Most guys in the same category as him only lasted a few years at the top. The next guy is probably Ziggler. |
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Post by y2yay on Nov 8, 2012 13:57:00 GMT -5
Like it or not. Ryback is that guy. That remains to be seen. I think he could be as successful as say, Sheamus. A top star in the WWE for at least a few years and pretty over, but not "the guy". I just can't see it. For me, "the guy" has to be good in the ring and good on the mic. Ryback is okay at both, but great at neither. |
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Post by nwoblackandred4l on Nov 8, 2012 14:01:29 GMT -5
I think Ryback will be the next big guy and I was at a house show the other night and most of kids were wearing Cena and Ryback shirts and when Ryback came out the crowd went nuts.
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Post by bobothegoblin on Nov 8, 2012 14:05:36 GMT -5
In 2003 I would never have dreamed that Cena would be the top guy so anythings possible.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 14:06:06 GMT -5
Like it or not. Ryback is that guy. That remains to be seen. I think he could be as successful as say, Sheamus. A top star in the WWE for at least a few years and pretty over, but not "the guy". I just can't see it. For me, "the guy" has to be good in the ring and good on the mic. Ryback is okay at both, but great at neither. I think it remains to be seen that he is great on either. He's barely had a real singles one on one match that wasn't a squash, so how do we know if he's good? From what we've seen, he's certainly not anything special in the ring. He's not even as strong as Sheamus, who didn't botch lifting Tensai (or Big Show who is even heavier and who received a way more awkward move). And as for his mic skills, all we've really got from him that was anything noteworthy was "feed me more", which didn't even start on the mic, it was just something he shouted after his matches. He hasn't proven to be anything particularly special yet. |
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Post by kazoosandstreamers on Nov 8, 2012 14:10:54 GMT -5
Like it or not. Ryback is that guy. Mhm. Hogan, Austin, Cena, Ryback. Sounds right... |
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Post by y2yay on Nov 8, 2012 14:18:53 GMT -5
That remains to be seen. I think he could be as successful as say, Sheamus. A top star in the WWE for at least a few years and pretty over, but not "the guy". I just can't see it. For me, "the guy" has to be good in the ring and good on the mic. Ryback is okay at both, but great at neither. I think it remains to be seen that he is great on either. He's barely had a real singles one on one match that wasn't a squash, so how do we know if he's good? From what we've seen, he's certainly not anything special in the ring. He's not even as strong as Sheamus, who didn't botch lifting Tensai (or Big Show who is even heavier and who received a way more awkward move). And as for his mic skills, all we've really got from him that was anything noteworthy was "feed me more", which didn't even start on the mic, it was just something he shouted after his matches. He hasn't proven to be anything particularly special yet. The gimmick limits both his wrestling skill and his ability on the mic. He can't wrestle long competitive matches because it makes him look weak and he can't talk much because it ruins the character's mystery. And that's why I don't like the Ryback gimmick. How is he ever supposed to prove me wrong? Don't get me wrong, it's early days. Ryback could turn out to be a gem. I just can't see it. And the Cena in 2003 comparison is a bit difference. John Cena showed in 2003 that he could have good matches with Angle, Taker, Brock, Eddie etc. And he was entertaining as hell on the mic. His gimmick didn't restrict him, unlike Ryback. |
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Post by bobothegoblin on Nov 8, 2012 14:21:21 GMT -5
Like it or not. Ryback is that guy. Mhm. Hogan, Austin, Cena, Ryback. Sounds right... What about Pete Gas? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 14:34:24 GMT -5
I think it remains to be seen that he is great on either. He's barely had a real singles one on one match that wasn't a squash, so how do we know if he's good? From what we've seen, he's certainly not anything special in the ring. He's not even as strong as Sheamus, who didn't botch lifting Tensai (or Big Show who is even heavier and who received a way more awkward move). And as for his mic skills, all we've really got from him that was anything noteworthy was "feed me more", which didn't even start on the mic, it was just something he shouted after his matches. He hasn't proven to be anything particularly special yet. The gimmick limits both his wrestling skill and his ability on the mic. He can't wrestle long competitive matches because it makes him look weak and he can't talk much because it ruins the character's mystery. And that's why I don't like the Ryback gimmick. How is he ever supposed to prove me wrong? Don't get me wrong, it's early days. Ryback could turn out to be a gem. I just can't see it. And the Cena in 2003 comparison is a bit difference. John Cena showed in 2003 that he could have good matches with Angle, Taker, Brock, Eddie etc. And he was entertaining as hell on the mic. His gimmick didn't restrict him, unlike Ryback. Yeah Cena debuted in an impressive match and nearly defeated Kurt Angle. It was obvious he was going to go far. |
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Post by punksnotdead on Nov 8, 2012 14:53:50 GMT -5
You can't manufacture the next big guy, it just has to happen. The WWE can set guys up to succeed but only the audience can dictate who they really love. The audience has really taken to Ryback but only time will tell if he can be sustainable. If the WWE tries to push too hard I can see it not working. Ryback feels more like Batista than anyone else imo but WWE needs "the next guy" soon so hopefully someone catches on.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 15:20:36 GMT -5
Let's go a bit deeper...
Does TNA have anyone that could be "That Guy" in WWE? Please do not count anyone that has been in the WWE as a main eventer all ready such as Angle or Hardy.
Austin? Roode? Storm?
I think AA could/would be an amazing asset in WWE but the problem is he is as old as Punk and his body may be just as banged up.
I personally would love to see DB or Cody be groomed and allowed to take the shot. The way people have gotten behind DB is amazing.
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Post by K5 on Nov 8, 2012 15:27:51 GMT -5
it's wwe's fault for being so late in the game. punk and aries have been  ing amazing for years, suddenly people take notice when their primes are approaching their end. anywho, as much as i enjoy ziggler i don't think it's him. he's the next hhh - the guy who works with the top guy. |
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Post by Infinite on Nov 8, 2012 15:33:37 GMT -5
Whoever it is, we probably haven't seen him yet.
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Post by MattelsRule on Nov 8, 2012 15:35:18 GMT -5
I like Ziggler but I still think it's gonna take a lot for him to gain credibility as a top draw. His mic skills are OK but far from the level of a CM Punk or Cena. I hate anyone that gets pushed who can't talk. To me, talking is EQUAL to wrestling in the WWE - it's why I don't like Ryback.
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Post by Barney Stinson on Nov 8, 2012 16:31:58 GMT -5
I think with the right tweek Ziggler could be big, but not "the guy" so to speak. Zigglers current character is ok, but I think he could do much more as a babyface, tweek the the show off thing to fit a babyface and then book him as the modern day Shawn Michaels from 95/96 (In Ring wise, not in the whitemeat babyface way), The guy that gets his ass kicked only to be the most resiliant guy and come back and win. Ziggler is an awesome seller so it could work.
The one I think could be the guy for years to come, and this is coming from someone who is not a huge fan of the guy, is The Miz. With the right babyface turn this guy could be huge, he could talk, have good matches and has that rare connection with the audience that not many have. And his "Really" catchphrase is over and would probably end up becoming the new "What?.
I think a problem with some of the guys is that they've been typecast in the same roles for so long we have no idea what they could do on the other side of the coin.
If in 1995 someone would have said, Steve Austin could be the biggest babyface in wrestling and become the top guy and become as big as Hogan, they would have been
bashed and people would say it would never work and that since Austin is a great heel he shouldn't turn.
Well just keep an open mind on people, just because they are a good heel, doesn't mean they can't be a good or even better babyface, by saying they wouldn't you're just discounting their potential ablilty.
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Post by JuiceWinslow on Nov 8, 2012 16:43:50 GMT -5
Richie Steamboat I hope will be a big deal one day.. but he is kinda small.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 17:12:13 GMT -5
Austin Aries would do well. He would do just as well of being "the top guy" as Punk has. Just look at the Slammiversary match against Joe. They did in 12 minutes what most WWE main events wish they could do in 25. And it was an opening match.
Other than that, I would say Ziggler.
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Post by Prophet of Ash on Nov 8, 2012 17:25:16 GMT -5
Chris Hero could be the top guy if they get rid of the goofy name, shave his hobo beard, and actually let him WRESTLE rather than being a boxer? I've watched every match he's had in WWE & FCW and don't understand the Kassius Ohno gimmick at all, beyond it being the same type of crap that's failed for Marc Mero, Michael Tarver, and others. It's a midcard gimmick with no potential, shoved onto a guy who is naturally one of the best wrestlers ever.
Likewise, Antonio Cesaro could be a top guy if he's allowed to flourish. The guy can cut a great promo in 4 languages and is built like a monster. Goofy feuds with Santino where a sock puppet has a crush on a woman and feuds with guys like Truth who will NEVER be anything more than a midcard act (despite TNA and WWE's attempts to push him for the last decade) aren't going to get him to the next level and are just wasting his time.
Dean Ambrose has all the potential in the world. An excellent wrestler, a phenomenal promo, a good sized guy.. But considering he hasn't had a match in 6+ months.. Considering he's just been sidelined or working dark matches.. It's questionable if WWE even knows what they are doing with him. His FCW angle with William Regal should've been a Smackdown top program. Regal gets pushed for 2-3 months, built up for "one last run", Ambrose debuts and destroys him. Regal is now the Smackdown commentator (a role he's EXCELLENT in, lightyears above anyone but JBL on TV today), let the feud simmer as Ambrose grows.. Regal tries to take Ambrose out in match 2.. and Ambrose destroys him. It's Regal's out from an in ring competitor and Ambrose's springboard to the main event scene. But the angle's already played out in front of a minimal crowd on FCW..
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