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Post by cordless2016 on Dec 12, 2012 0:35:39 GMT -5
So we all know Jeff Jarrett is basically hated by 95% of the IWC. I've always been a fan of him and felt that his world titles were justified. By the time he left the WWF agin in 1999, he was the 2nd most over heel in the company after HHH, as Taker was injured, Billy Gunn floped in a feud with The Rock, Big Show was no where near over, and Jericho and Angle had just entered the company and were not seen as top guys yet. And with Austin being out for a year, it seemed like the perfect time for Jarrett to get his main event push. And as far fetched as it may seem, there is a good possibility Jarrett could have been in the fatal four way at WM16 in place of Foley (Foley was only in the match because Vince felt a Rock/HHH match was too predictable and needed a fourth guy for the match/ Foley has also said he felt the HIAC w/ HHH should have been his final match).
So lets assume Jarrett stayed with the WWF and was to win the WWF Championship. When would you have booked it to happen?
I would have given him the world title at Judgement Day 2000. Rocky would have won the WWF Title at WM16 against HHH in a one on one match. Rocky would then retain at Backlash, which would have led to a triple threat at Judgement Day between Rocky, HHH, and Jarrett. Taker would have still returned and cost Rocky the title, but Jarrett would have been the one walking out with it. Taker would then get himself disqualified in a title match w/ Jarrett at KOTR. Rocky would end up getting the title back at Fully Loaded to set up the Rocky, HHH, and Kurt feud for Summerslam.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2012 2:00:30 GMT -5
I don't think Jarrett ever could have been WWF Champion. In a world where Triple H, Kane, Undertaker, Steve Austin, The Rock and Kurt Angle were in, no way could Jarrett hold the strap.
In WCW it was easier for him to get that belt, just because he was close with Vince Russo, and because he fit the WCW mold better at that time.
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Post by Nivro™ on Dec 12, 2012 3:37:15 GMT -5
Yea Jarrett is like Lawler IMO. He's got the "Southern twang" so to speak. I can see him holding the WCW/NWA title but I just cant see him being the face of WWF and holding the WWF Title. Even if he was the second most over heel at the time, at best he would have just been a guy chasing the title putting the face champion over every night just like Piper did.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2012 8:16:44 GMT -5
I think he would have held it in 2000 if he ever did. He wasn't going to gold it while teaming with Owen, or his 94-95 gimmick.
Austin was presented with the option of feuding with Jarrett, Billy or Triple H so they must have thought at one point that Jarrett did have potential to main event.
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Post by toosteezy on Dec 12, 2012 13:46:11 GMT -5
Never.
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Post by Likwid[[Southern]] on Dec 12, 2012 16:03:22 GMT -5
KOTR 1999 Final: X-Pac vs Jeff Jarrett
Jarrett wins, and moves into a fued with Rock, as he sees Rock as someone who jumped ahead of him. He fueds with Rock into SummerSlam, where Rock wins by DQ after Chyna catches him with a lowblow. The next night, Triple H beats Mankind for the title. Jarrett keeps scratching at the door of the Championship, picking up wins over Mankind, Rock, Bulldog, and nearly wins the 6-Pack challenge at Unforgiven. At No Mercy, Jarrett and Rock wrestle to a draw in a No. 1 Contender's match.
Jarrett loses to Rock in a rematch, setting up Triple H vs Rock vs Austin at Survivor Series; Austin is still ran down, the only difference is that Rock wins. Triple H moves into his fued with McMahon stemming from the wedding. On Raw, Rock beats Big Show. As he celebrates on the ramp, he is attacked from behind by Jarrett. At Armegeddon, it's Rock vs Jarrett for the title. The ref gets bumped, and Big Show runs down to ringside. Rock hits him with the Rock Bottom, but as he goes for the Elbow, Jarrett smashes him with the guitar for the 1-2-3 and the Championship.
Jarrett introduces Big Show as his new bodyguard, and holds the title until No Way Out, when he drops the title to Triple H in a Fatal-Four-Way also involving Big Show and Rock. Jarrett moves into a fued with Angle, Benoit, and Jericho heading into the summer of 2000, staying at the cusp of the main-event, and elevating other performers.
He gets the title again in late-2001, as he takes the WWF Title to the Alliance, when he wins it from Team WWF's leader, Stone Cold Steve Austin. He loses it back to him at No Mercy, and fades to the mid-card throughout the Ruthless Aggression Era.
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Dec 12, 2012 16:43:38 GMT -5
Never. Jarrett was a scumbag.
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Post by Hammersmith Hardman on Dec 12, 2012 16:47:29 GMT -5
He could of won it in 1999, but hasn't Austin gone on record saying that he didn't want to work with him?
I really couldn't see Jarrett in the same bracket as Stone Cold, The Rock & Undertaker however.
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Post by cordless2016 on Dec 12, 2012 19:23:25 GMT -5
He could of won it in 1999, but hasn't Austin gone on record saying that he didn't want to work with him? I really couldn't see Jarrett in the same bracket as Stone Cold, The Rock & Undertaker however. Yeah Austin never liked Jeff because Austin had bad blood w/ his father, Jerry Jarrett. Jeff and him I believe had words early in their careers, and Austin never forgot it. I always though HHH should have had one big title run from the night after Summerslam 99 until WM where he put over Rocky. Then my above post kicks in and Jarrett would win the title at Judgement Day 2000 for a few months before putting Rock over. |
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Post by kazoosandstreamers on Dec 12, 2012 19:39:12 GMT -5
I like to think he would of got it.
But, then again, I'm a Jarrett mark.
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Post by K5 on Dec 12, 2012 21:01:37 GMT -5
I like to think he would of got it. But, then again, I'm a Jarrett mark. me too. i can see him as the ultimate heel, lowest of the low. stone cold's arch nemesis. anti-wwf movement. i think jeff would have been huge. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Dec 12, 2012 22:43:36 GMT -5
^I always thought Jeff could have been perfect in the "weasle" heel role. While HHH was known as the dominant heel at the time who wasn't afraid of a fight, Jarrett could have been perfect as the opposite heel who would barely retain his title, similar to JBL in 2004. The weasle heel character combined with his "Don't Piss Me Off" gimmick would have been awsome. Would have been cool to see two heel couples in HHH/Steph and Jarrett/Debra trying to one up eachother.
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Post by beermoney86 on Dec 13, 2012 10:39:45 GMT -5
Jarrett diddnt have enough pull backstage to get the title, he was a good worker, but I dont think he was on par with the attitude era stars of the time, Austin and the Rock were just having amazing matches along with Foley and HHH
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2012 11:08:22 GMT -5
theres some great booking ideas in this thread.....its really made me think about JJ as champ.
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Post by cordless2016 on Dec 13, 2012 16:53:08 GMT -5
I think its a shame most of the IWC bashes Jeff. I think it has a big part to do with the WWE's revisionist history, as Vince is pissed Jeff held him up for the money Vince owed him. Jarrett was always an above average worker and was a true heel in the sense that fans hated him, similar to JBL.
The idea that he never drew a dime is a lame argument. WCW was already a fast sinking ship by the time he got there in 99, and in 00 there was no hope to save it with Russo in charge. But in Jeff's defense, his "Slap Nuts" shirt was the best selling WCW piece of merchanise in 00. And if it wasn't for his name recognition and hard work, TNA would not have been able to survive past its early years.
Jarrett's world title wins are also justified. He was on the cusp of main event status when he left the WWF in 99, and going into 2000 the biggest complaint against WCW was that the same old guys were in the main event. W/ Hogan, Bret, and Goldberg all out with injuries and contract disputes at the time, Jeff was the only guy WCW could trust as the top heel at the time. People have said Steiner should have taken his spot, which I would have had no problem with, but he simply could not be trusted due to his heat with alot of guys backstage, doing shoot promos in the middle of Nitro, and no showing events. He was a great worker, never refused to put anyone over, and always gave a great effort in WCW, no matter how much crap Russo gave him to work with.
In TNA, he was the companies biggest name in the early years. Sure it would have been nice to see AJ or others with the world title more, but TNA was trying to put butts in seats and grow, and Jarrett needed to be on top to do that.
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Post by Nivro™ on Dec 13, 2012 19:56:19 GMT -5
I dont get where "The IWC always bashes Jarrett" comments come from? The only time I ever recall the IWC ever bashing Jarrett in the last 10-15 years is when he wouldnt let go of the NWA Title and put someone over. Now I agree a lot of people dont feel he's "WWF Title" material, or that he's just an upper mid card wrestler but I dont really consider that bashing...just an honest opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2012 20:08:46 GMT -5
Honestly, never.
Jeff Jarrett was a good mid-carder but I just never saw him as a main event talent.
"He broke 10,000 guitars and never drew a dime."
I also feel like his push during the summer of 1999 was because he had been tagging with Owen during the time of his death. Also, he was getting decent pops because of Debra's great tits and legs.
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Post by cordless2016 on Dec 13, 2012 21:04:41 GMT -5
I dont get where "The IWC always bashes Jarrett" comments come from? The only time I ever recall the IWC ever bashing Jarrett in the last 10-15 years is when he wouldnt let go of the NWA Title and put someone over. Now I agree a lot of people dont feel he's "WWF Title" material, or that he's just an upper mid card wrestler but I dont really consider that bashing...just an honest opinion. You haven't been on the internet much have you... Look up Jeff Jarrett on most wrestling forums and you'll see a bunch of unecessary Jarrett BS, claiming he had a huge ego, or that he unfairly held Vince up for money, or that his WCW Title runs were forced and he only got it because he was buddies w/ Russo, or that he ruined TNA in its early years, or that he is a HHH wannabe, or...well, the list goes on. Cool that people have an opinion about him and I respect that, but when people call him a "scumbag," like a previous poster, its a joke. Its found all over the IWC. The funniest claim I hear is that he apparently thinks he was a bigger draw than Hogan...seriously? Jarrett has never said that, and has only commented on the Bash at the Beach incident as Hogan being unprofessional, which he was. Hogan's drawing power had dwindled to nearly nothing in 2000, and Russo was trying to put the younger guy over and Hogan wanted nothing to do with it. Yet for some reason many people consider it as Jarrett having a big ego...yet he put Booker T over that same night lol |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2012 12:36:49 GMT -5
I agree that WCW couldnt have trusted Steiner genuinely at any time with the title.people were afraid of him backstage.......as in HONESTLY AFRAID.
if he had laid off the monkey,rhino,shark,giraffe and whatever other kind of hormones he was taking then maybe he could have been spoken to without going into a homicidal fury over things like his coffee being cold.....LOL.
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Post by cordless2016 on Dec 14, 2012 15:34:44 GMT -5
lol so true. I was a big fan of Scott from 98-01, but its true he was a legit psycho that snaped at every little thing. He legit almost killed DDP in their well known backstage fight in 00 after Steiner did a shoot promo on him and his wife. Its been said it took about 5-6 guys to pull Steiner off of him, and DDP might have lost an eye had Steiner not been cutting his nails earlier in the day.
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