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Post by Raine on Jan 7, 2013 5:42:35 GMT -5
Reading back in one of the other topics, it was incredible how much change happened in the WWF in 1992.
This was the year that "big men" were thinned out and smaller, technical wrestlers were given the ball, Bret Hart being the major benefactor in this. Although Randy Savage and Ric Flair hot poatatoed the WWF title, so no big men really held the title that year.
The Royal Rumble 92 had probably more star power in it, than any other Rumble before or after, but if you go through the whole year upto the Royal Rumble 93 you will see how much change the company went through.
These left the company during 1992:
Hulk Hogan
Sid
Jake Roberts
Ultimate Warrior
British Bulldog
L.O.D
Haku
Barbarian
Jim Neidhart
Marty Jannetty
Hercules
Warlord
Kerry Von Erich
Sgt Slaughter
Nikolai Volkoff
Jimmy Snuka
Col Mustafa
Orient Express
The Mountie
Coming in 1992:
Repo Man
Crush
Kamala
Yokozuna
Head Shrinkers
Nailz
Papa Shango
Razor Ramon
Tatanka
Mr Perfect
Adding to the fact that in January 93, Ric Flair, Bossman & Earthquake all the left the company, but was offset by Steiners, Bob Backlund & Hogan/Beefcake returning but it goes to show the major turnover the company went through. The 2 above lists show how much weaker the roster became when you compare who came in/back to who left.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2013 6:49:20 GMT -5
Piper also left after WM8 (other than an appearance at Summerslam) until WM10.
You also can't really count Jannetty as leaving in 92 as he returned in January 93.
But yeah they lost A LOT of Talent around that time. Bret had a huge task in carrying the company after alot of those guys left.
Steiners also debuted in 92 by the way.
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Post by BigEvilNerd on Jan 7, 2013 7:32:03 GMT -5
There was a definite palpable decrease in Hogan's popularity circa 92 as well, which I think points to people getting tired of his sh*t and the character getting old....this in turn could have helped the smaller more technical guys.
Although I'm pretty sure the main reason we JUST SO HAPPENED to start seeing smaller guys getting pushes around that time was the steroid trials.
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Post by Raine on Jan 7, 2013 10:19:49 GMT -5
Piper also left after WM8 (other than an appearance at Summerslam) until WM10. You also can't really count Jannetty as leaving in 92 as he returned in January 93. But yeah they lost A LOT of Talent around that time. Bret had a huge task in carrying the company after alot of those guys left. Steiners also debuted in 92 by the way. Jannetty was fired in March 92, and didnt return til Oct/Nov 92 so he was a big loss to the company due the fact they had just split The Rockers. Yes, steroids were the main factor for big men being phased out. I dont know if it was a good thing or not though. I'd rather watch Hart vs Hennig any day over Hogan vs a monster heel, but feel that the WWF lost some of its aura when the small guys took over. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2013 10:23:04 GMT -5
Piper also left after WM8 (other than an appearance at Summerslam) until WM10. You also can't really count Jannetty as leaving in 92 as he returned in January 93. But yeah they lost A LOT of Talent around that time. Bret had a huge task in carrying the company after alot of those guys left. Steiners also debuted in 92 by the way. Jannetty was fired in March 92, and didnt return til Oct/Nov 92 so he was a big loss to the company due the fact they had just split The Rockers. Yes, steroids were the main factor for big men being phased out. I dont know if it was a good thing or not though. I'd rather watch Hart vs Hennig any day over Hogan vs a monster heel, but feel that the WWF lost some of its aura when the small guys took over. Oh yeah of course. I got my dates messed up a bit there. I thought he left in October and returned in January for some reason. |
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Jan 10, 2013 0:10:20 GMT -5
Just looking at the 1993 Royal Rumble match, it's hard to ignore the lack of star power compared to the previous year. It was a perfect storm of bad events for Vince and the company.
Hogan had already set his sights on Hollywood and left the WWF in the dust.
The big names that left the company during that time really changed the landscape. Jake Roberts, arguably the hottest heel at the time, left under controversial terms. Kerry Von Erich was released that summer as well. Reliable hands such as Jim Duggan, Tito Santana, and the Big Bossman were phased out and gone by early '93. Piper vanished after WrestleMania and Flair, despite being a big player for much of the year, was on his way back to WCW by the time the new year rolled around. The roster was completely gutted and the absence of all these superstars definitely hurt the product.
Sid, a guy who the company had huge plans and high hopes for, turned out to be a flop during his first run as he was done shortly after WrestleMania VIII.
Everyone will always remember the Ultimate Warior returning that year, but he was gone again within a few months along with Davey Boy, fresh off his big win at Wembley Stadium, due to alleged steroid use/possession.
Right after SummerSlam, Hawk took off which marked the end of the road for the Road Warriors. The tag team division in general was pretty weak compared to past years. Both the Nasty Boys and the Natural Disasters, perennial heel teams, were turned face for some bizarre reason leaving Money Inc. as the only legitimate heel duo for most of the year.
Marty Jannetty got himself fired which put his feud with Shawn on hold until he resurfaced later in the year... only to get fired again right after their Royal Rumble match. I swear, that guy got chance after chance to get his craptogether and every time he screwed up it resulted in a smaller role within the company.
The steroid trial was pretty much the cherry on top.
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Post by LeighD on Jan 10, 2013 7:41:27 GMT -5
Just looking at the 1993 Royal Rumble match, it's hard to ignore the lack of star power compared to the previous year. It was a perfect storm of bad events for Vince and the company. Hogan had already set his sights on Hollywood and left the WWF in the dust. The big names that left the company during that time really changed the landscape. Jake Roberts, arguably the hottest heel at the time, left under controversial terms. Kerry Von Erich was released that summer as well. Reliable hands such as Jim Duggan, Tito Santana, and the Big Bossman were phased out and gone by early '93. Piper vanished after WrestleMania and Flair, despite being a big player for much of the year, was on his way back to WCW by the time the new year rolled around. The roster was completely gutted and the absence of all these superstars definitely hurt the product. Sid, a guy who the company had huge plans and high hopes for, turned out to be a flop during his first run as he was done shortly after WrestleMania VIII. Everyone will always remember the Ultimate Warior returning that year, but he was gone again within a few months along with Davey Boy, fresh off his big win at Wembley Stadium, due to alleged steroid use/possession. Right after SummerSlam, Hawk took off which marked the end of the road for the Road Warriors. The tag team division in general was pretty weak compared to past years. Both the Nasty Boys and the Natural Disasters, perennial heel teams, were turned face for some bizarre reason leaving Money Inc. as the only legitimate heel duo for most of the year. Marty Jannetty got himself fired which put his feud with Shawn on hold until he resurfaced later in the year... only to get fired again right after their Royal Rumble match. I swear, that guy got chance after chance to get his crap together and every time he screwed up it resulted in a smaller role within the company. The steroid trial was pretty much the cherry on top. Well said! 1992 - 1993 was the biggest turnover for the WWF. As already stated, look at the names that left/fired/released/etc. The tag team division really stated hurting after the Road Warriors left. It shows just how highly Vince thought of them as they had plenty of heel teams but the Warriors were the main face team for them at the time. The Steiners debuted a few months after they left, but WWF never seemed to full back them the way they had th Road Warriors. Singles-wise, the biggest hit is that a lot of main eventers left - Hogan, Flair, Warrior, Sid, Savage, Piper, Roberts, to name a bigger ones. Those are a lot of hurt to lose all those names in such a short amount of time. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 10:59:51 GMT -5
Vinnie must have been hurtin here.....
plus in addition to the extremely impressive list posted by Raine,Ted Dibiase wrestled his last match at Summerslam 93-that was another big loss for him.
as I said in another thread when The Road Warriors left he had to go after The Steiners straight away....then when he had to fire Davey Boy and Warrior in November he went after Sting very strongly.
Lord how I wish he would have jumped ship then.
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Post by OmegaGaijin on Jan 10, 2013 11:09:21 GMT -5
Vinnie must have been hurtin here..... plus in addition to the extremely impressive list posted by Raine,Ted Dibiase wrestled his last match at Summerslam 93-that was another big loss for him. as I said in another thread when The Road Warriors left he had to go after The Steiners straight away....then when he had to fire Davey Boy and Warrior in November he went after Sting very strongly. Lord how I wish he would have jumped ship then. Stings face run from 93 till fall brawl 96 did not impress me at all, despite being a HUGE fan. He would have fitted in perfectly to WWE at that time. Then again, we wouldn't have got the back to the camera shoot, or the crow gimmick if he did go to the WWE all those years later. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2013 11:39:17 GMT -5
I never consider not getting the Crow gimmick.I reckon Sting would have been lured back to Bisch to combat the nWo.who knows maybe they wouldnt have screwed it up as badly this way?
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Post by OmegaGaijin on Jan 10, 2013 11:54:49 GMT -5
I never consider not getting the Crow gimmick.I reckon Sting would have been lured back to Bisch to combat the nWo.who knows maybe they wouldnt have screwed it up as badly this way? Maybe so, wrestlings funny. We have been blessed with some great stuff since it was created, but is amazing just how much great stuff we have all missed out on too. Its a pity Wrestlers have to age  |
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Jan 10, 2013 14:11:14 GMT -5
I never consider not getting the Crow gimmick.I reckon Sting would have been lured back to Bisch to combat the nWo.who knows maybe they wouldnt have screwed it up as badly this way? Maybe so, wrestlings funny. We have been blessed with some great stuff since it was created, but is amazing just how much great stuff we have all missed out on too. Its a pity Wrestlers have to age That's what I love about pro wrestling and its history. I know certain things were screwed up so badly that it's hard to look back on them fondly, but imagining the "what if..." scenarios keeps the nostalgia flowing for me and always will. Brock Lesnar versus Goldberg was a dream match that actually happened and it totally disappointed on all levels. It is only one example, but it still proves that some things are better left to the imagination. For every epic Rock/Hogan encounter there's an Austin/Undertaker stinker (SummerSlam '98) that falls short of its lofty expectations. I sometimes forget that Shawn Michaels had a high-profile match with Mr. Perfect (SummerSlam '93) because it was so forgettable. No matter how great they are, some wrestlers just don't click together. Sting could have joined the WWF in the early '90s and had a regrettably mediocre run. It's more fun for me to imagine him having an awesome stint and taking part in fantastic matches with guys like Undertaker, Bret Hart, and Shawn Michaels while all of them were in their prime. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2013 11:22:42 GMT -5
Maybe so, wrestlings funny. We have been blessed with some great stuff since it was created, but is amazing just how much great stuff we have all missed out on too. Its a pity Wrestlers have to age That's what I love about pro wrestling and its history. I know certain things were screwed up so badly that it's hard to look back on them fondly, but imagining the "what if..." scenarios keeps the nostalgia flowing for me and always will. Brock Lesnar versus Goldberg was a dream match that actually happened and it totally disappointed on all levels. It is only one example, but it still proves that some things are better left to the imagination. For every epic Rock/Hogan encounter there's an Austin/Undertaker stinker (SummerSlam '98) that falls short of its lofty expectations. I sometimes forget that Shawn Michaels had a high-profile match with Mr. Perfect (SummerSlam '93) because it was so forgettable. No matter how great they are, some wrestlers just don't click together. Sting could have joined the WWF in the early '90s and had a regrettably mediocre run. It's more fun for me to imagine him having an awesome stint and taking part in fantastic matches with guys like Undertaker, Bret Hart, and Shawn Michaels while all of them were in their prime. 2 great posts here back to back lads. another example of a dream match that didnt click was The Road Warriors vs Demolition. Eadie has said on his solo and Demo shoot that "neither of them could click with Mike & Joe" and that it was nobodys fault but that their styles were too similar. team captains Ax & Animal had many discussions over layout moves etc but it just didnt mesh. |
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on Jan 11, 2013 11:39:46 GMT -5
Maybe so, wrestlings funny. We have been blessed with some great stuff since it was created, but is amazing just how much great stuff we have all missed out on too. Its a pity Wrestlers have to age That's what I love about pro wrestling and its history. I know certain things were screwed up so badly that it's hard to look back on them fondly, but imagining the "what if..." scenarios keeps the nostalgia flowing for me and always will. Brock Lesnar versus Goldberg was a dream match that actually happened and it totally disappointed on all levels. It is only one example, but it still proves that some things are better left to the imagination. For every epic Rock/Hogan encounter there's an Austin/Undertaker stinker (SummerSlam '98) that falls short of its lofty expectations. I sometimes forget that Shawn Michaels had a high-profile match with Mr. Perfect (SummerSlam '93) because it was so forgettable. No matter how great they are, some wrestlers just don't click together. Sting could have joined the WWF in the early '90s and had a regrettably mediocre run. It's more fun for me to imagine him having an awesome stint and taking part in fantastic matches with guys like Undertaker, Bret Hart, and Shawn Michaels while all of them were in their prime. What was so bad about that Austin/Taker match? |
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Post by mikey1974 on Jan 11, 2013 12:31:45 GMT -5
That's what I love about pro wrestling and its history. I know certain things were screwed up so badly that it's hard to look back on them fondly, but imagining the "what if..." scenarios keeps the nostalgia flowing for me and always will. Brock Lesnar versus Goldberg was a dream match that actually happened and it totally disappointed on all levels. It is only one example, but it still proves that some things are better left to the imagination. For every epic Rock/Hogan encounter there's an Austin/Undertaker stinker (SummerSlam '98) that falls short of its lofty expectations. I sometimes forget that Shawn Michaels had a high-profile match with Mr. Perfect (SummerSlam '93) because it was so forgettable. No matter how great they are, some wrestlers just don't click together. Sting could have joined the WWF in the early '90s and had a regrettably mediocre run. It's more fun for me to imagine him having an awesome stint and taking part in fantastic matches with guys like Undertaker, Bret Hart, and Shawn Michaels while all of them were in their prime. What was so bad about that Austin/Taker match? yeah,I'm curious myself. It wasn't a masterpiece,but I thought it was enjoyable, and it had a hot crowd for both guys, and it had that aura of either guy could win this match. |
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Post by Raine on Jan 11, 2013 12:31:50 GMT -5
That's what I love about pro wrestling and its history. I know certain things were screwed up so badly that it's hard to look back on them fondly, but imagining the "what if..." scenarios keeps the nostalgia flowing for me and always will. Brock Lesnar versus Goldberg was a dream match that actually happened and it totally disappointed on all levels. It is only one example, but it still proves that some things are better left to the imagination. For every epic Rock/Hogan encounter there's an Austin/Undertaker stinker (SummerSlam '98) that falls short of its lofty expectations. I sometimes forget that Shawn Michaels had a high-profile match with Mr. Perfect (SummerSlam '93) because it was so forgettable. No matter how great they are, some wrestlers just don't click together. Sting could have joined the WWF in the early '90s and had a regrettably mediocre run. It's more fun for me to imagine him having an awesome stint and taking part in fantastic matches with guys like Undertaker, Bret Hart, and Shawn Michaels while all of them were in their prime. 2 great posts here back to back lads. another example of a dream match that didnt click was The Road Warriors vs Demolition. Eadie has said on his solo and Demo shoot that "neither of them could click with Mike & Joe" and that it was nobodys fault but that their styles were too similar. team captains Ax & Animal had many discussions over layout moves etc but it just didnt mesh. Did Ax & Smash ever wrestle Hawk & Animal? I've only ever seen 6 mans with Crush & Warrior added and Hawk/Animal vs Smash/Crush |
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Jan 12, 2013 10:13:37 GMT -5
What was so bad about that Austin/Taker match? yeah,I'm curious myself. It wasn't a masterpiece,but I thought it was enjoyable, and it had a hot crowd for both guys, and it had that aura of either guy could win this match. This is true, but if you go back and watch the entire match you will see quite a few awkward botches where their timing was just off. This was the first high-profile match these two ever had together so maybe it just took some work to adjust to each others in-ring style. The hot MSG crowd definitely helped conceal the matches shortcomings. Not a bad match at all, just not as memorable as it should have been considering it was the first huge encounter between two legendary wrestlers in their prime with MSG as the backdrop. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2013 11:19:45 GMT -5
Austin got knocked out shortly into that match so it was  ed from the get go. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2013 11:20:28 GMT -5
2 great posts here back to back lads. another example of a dream match that didnt click was The Road Warriors vs Demolition. Eadie has said on his solo and Demo shoot that "neither of them could click with Mike & Joe" and that it was nobodys fault but that their styles were too similar. team captains Ax & Animal had many discussions over layout moves etc but it just didnt mesh. Did Ax & Smash ever wrestle Hawk & Animal? I've only ever seen 6 mans with Crush & Warrior added and Hawk/Animal vs Smash/Crush I dont think it was ever just the 4 of them on TV........ |
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Post by koreygunz on Jan 12, 2013 13:46:26 GMT -5
Did Ax & Smash ever wrestle Hawk & Animal? I've only ever seen 6 mans with Crush & Warrior added and Hawk/Animal vs Smash/Crush I dont think it was ever just the 4 of them on TV........ I thought there was at least one match, maybe on Wrestling Challenge or the like, between the two teams? |
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