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Post by Irish Wrestling Entertainment on Jan 19, 2013 11:10:21 GMT -5
Sitting in UK/Ireland with good gun control laws and no real reports of anything like this ever, I still can't understand how the American people feel it is necessary to have guns as a form of protection.
I can guarantee that almost everyone here has never had to use their gun as a form of protection. The very second that you make guns illegal, the Government can then begin to crack down on the selling of all illegal guns.
The whole attitude of 'what if someone comes to my house? And I need to protect myself' just seems a little self-absorbed to me.
Of course the pro-gun forum members will come on and argue in some way about how it is better and how changing laws will have no effect because these guns were illegally obtained or whatever, all I say is, I've never experienced anything like this in the local/national/UK news, yet its increasingly familiar in USA.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Jan 19, 2013 23:36:55 GMT -5
www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/01/how-many-people-got-shot-gun-appreciation-day-rallies/61192/This just proves that gun control laws should seriously be implemented. I'm not saying ban guns completely, but something needs to be done. And I feel no sympathy for the morons that got shot. Having an "appreciation day" for something that is used to kill is deplorable and even worse is it taking place and not being canceled after what happened to all those children. It's a real sad state of affairs when people are more concerned about their "gun rights" than those poor children.
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Jan 19, 2013 23:53:45 GMT -5
You know what needs to be done? It needs to stop being put in the in news all the time. All you see is killings and robbing on the news. How many actual good stories do you hear about? Maybe they need to celebrate heros instead of villans for a change.
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Jan 19, 2013 23:54:03 GMT -5
It's like a tweet I saw, be it on a satire Twitter feed or not....it's still true [and ridiculous sounding]
"Gay people can't do this. Women shouldn't be able to do that. But touch my semi-automatic rifle and you're trampling on my rights."
I also think that this "Gun Appreciation Day" was conveniently planned on the day before President Obama's 2nd term begins.
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Post by alwayssunny on Jan 19, 2013 23:54:45 GMT -5
haaahah, This is seriously the funniest thing I have ever seen In my life.
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Post by facemeat on Jan 20, 2013 0:01:03 GMT -5
Natural selection at its finest.
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Jan 20, 2013 0:03:29 GMT -5
Natural selection at its finest. Liberty City Survivor! Natural selection has come home.
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Post by Razor-toothed™ on Jan 20, 2013 0:06:24 GMT -5
Sad, truly sad. What a bunch of morons.
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Post by Razor-toothed™ on Jan 20, 2013 0:10:48 GMT -5
You know what needs to be done? It needs to stop being put in the in news all the time. All you see is killings and robbing on the news. How many actual good stories do you hear about? Maybe they need to celebrate heros instead of villans for a change. If the media stopped showing it, people wouldn't know about the gun control problem affecting our nation.
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Post by slappy on Jan 20, 2013 0:14:07 GMT -5
www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/01/how-many-people-got-shot-gun-appreciation-day-rallies/61192/This just proves that gun control laws should seriously be implemented. I'm not saying ban guns completely, but something needs to be done. And I feel no sympathy for the morons that got shot. Having an "appreciation day" for something that is used to kill is deplorable and even worse is it taking place and not being canceled after what happened to all those children. It's a real sad state of affairs when people are more concerned about their "gun rights" than those poor children. How does it prove gun control laws need to be implemented? How would the laws have prevented these people from being injured? Keyword there, injured. No one was killed by those "awful killing machines." Giving up their guns isn't going to bring the kids back. It's asinine to think that someone doing something bad means those that didn't do bad are prohibited or looked down upon. Also, people get killed everyday by guns, cars, knives, etc. We don't stop driving because a drunk driver struck and killed someone. We aren't being insensitive to the family by driving a machine that killed their loved one. You know why? Because A) we didn't do it and B) it's the person's fault no one else's. Only they should be held responsible for their actions. It's ridiculous to blame or ridicule others who have no intent on doing what that person did just because they own and use something some bad person used. Natural selection at its finest. I don't see how it was natural selection as they were only injured and not killed.
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Jan 20, 2013 0:23:24 GMT -5
It's asinine to think that someone doing something bad means those that didn't do bad are prohibited or looked down upon. The same can be said for those on public assistance such as welfare and food stamps. There are some who work those systems but there are people calling for those systems to be scrapped. Why take away from the people who follow the rules and punish them for the people who cheat the system? It works in every situation.
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Post by The Highwayman on Jan 20, 2013 0:26:22 GMT -5
Honestly the whole we should stop driving because they could kill somebody thing is the dumbest argument I've ever heard of. And I've also heard people say oh maybe we should give up forks and spoons because they help make people fat which is also the dumbest thing of ever heard of. Forks and spoons and cars all provide something which we need in our day-to-day life. Guns serve purposes such as hunting or protecting oneself. Neither of those things require a semi automatic rifle or magazine which holds 1 million rounds. If somebody's willing to do the proper background checks and educate themselves such as taking a course or something then I see no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to have a pistol in their home. But the gun laws as they are now are a complete and utter joke. People can go to a gun show and basically walk out with a gun and people can order things online and not have to worry about background checks because of certain loopholes or whatever. Basically I'm a huge zombie fan I love resident evil and all that stuff and I think that the huge guns in the movies are pretty cool in the movies. However, there's just no reason to have a weapon that's used in the video game such as resident evil in one's home. Go buy a replica or play paintball or airsoft or something. I've become really sick of people bitching about how the gun rights are being infringed upon when there's people starving and not allowed to live freely because of their sexual orientation or even gender in some cases. Seriously I hope that gun rights are quite cut down and you need to do all sorts of work just to get a pistol in your home.
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Post by slappy on Jan 20, 2013 0:28:59 GMT -5
It's asinine to think that someone doing something bad means those that didn't do bad are prohibited or looked down upon. The same can be said for those on public assistance such as welfare and food stamps. There are some who work those systems but there are people calling for those systems to be scrapped. Why take away from the people who follow the rules and punish them for the people who cheat the system? It works in every situation. The argument can be made that no one is either harmed through bodily harm, emotional harm or financial harm by someone merely owning a gun. However, for public assistance one must take money from another person (through taxes) to have the program. So you are harming someone financially by the program existing. No one is forced to pay for someone's gun but they are forced to pay for someone's public assistance.
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Post by slappy on Jan 20, 2013 0:46:33 GMT -5
Honestly the whole we should stop driving because they could kill somebody thing is the dumbest argument I've ever heard of. And I've also heard people say oh maybe we should give up forks and spoons because they help make people fat which is also the dumbest thing of ever heard of. Forks and spoons and cars all provide something which we need in our day-to-day life. Guns serve purposes such as hunting or protecting oneself. Neither of those things require a semi automatic rifle or magazine which holds 1 million rounds. If somebody's willing to do the proper background checks and educate themselves such as taking a course or something then I see no reason why they shouldn't be allowed to have a pistol in their home. But the gun laws as they are now are a complete and utter joke. People can go to a gun show and basically walk out with a gun and people can order things online and not have to worry about background checks because of certain loopholes or whatever. Basically I'm a huge zombie fan I love resident evil and all that stuff and I think that the huge guns in the movies are pretty cool in the movies. However, there's just no reason to have a weapon that's used in the video game such as resident evil in one's home. Go buy a replica or play paintball or airsoft or something. I've become really sick of people bitching about how the gun rights are being infringed upon when there's people starving and not allowed to live freely because of their sexual orientation or even gender in some cases. Seriously I hope that gun rights are quite cut down and you need to do all sorts of work just to get a pistol in your home. No one is serious when they say take away cars or spoons or forks. They are being facetious because they feel the person making the take away the guns argument is being ridiculous. Why does the government through military or federal agencies like IRS or Homeland security get to have semiautomatic weapons with "one million rounds?" Why should they have better guns or firepower than the average person? The military is aimed to defend or kill. The average law abiding person is only out to hunt, target shoot or defend. There is no such thing as the gun show loophole. Everyone buying from a gun show must go through a background check.I have a question. You want a background check for someone to buy a gun. You are saying that the only way someone can buy a gun is if the government approves. Should the government be required to listen to phone conversations to make sure the people talking are not planning a terror attack? We don't force people who sell their car to another person to check that person's driving record to see if they are a repeated drunk driver. If they do something wrong with the car after buying it do we blame the person they bought it from? If you can't differentiate between a video game and real life, you (general term) need help. Gun rights are enshrined in the Constitution. Marriage is not. I don't understand what you mean by gender. Are you talking about birth control, unfair pay or what?
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Post by The Highwayman on Jan 20, 2013 1:02:17 GMT -5
If there's no such thing as a loophole, how come I know people who know people who have obtained guns through gun shows without having to submit to a background check because they're bought as "novelty items" or something along those lines. Further, there is many websites who will sell overcapacity magazines or other illegal extensions to guns without abiding by the rules because their aftermarket pieces that are not made specifically by the manufacturer of said gun. I've taken gun classes through law-enforcement and gun safety schools so it's not like I'm clueless on the subject. And obviously I know people are being facetious or trying to use some form of hyperbole when they're talking about banning Cars or forks or spoons. But, you should be able to tell when I'm being facetious about saying 1 million rounds.
Not too long ago I was speaking to a friend who is in active duty in the National Guard and he has expressed his concern with gun regulations in this country. He said that some states have it right however a lot of them have these loopholes where you can get guns far too easily. I'm done arguing about this. I'm simply just trying to say that we don't need an excess of assault rifles for protection or our right to "bear arms" if one wants to protect themselves they can have a regulation pistol or even in some case shotgun.
Sorry if there are typos. I'm on my phone.
Edit: I didn't see the bottom of your post. I don't understand why you're saying the thing about being able to differentiate between a video game in real life. I can differentiate between a video game in real life, however a lot of people out there want these huge guns because they see them in various video games or movies. And, As far as gender goes I was talking about all of the above. I'm beginning to think you're just not understanding my argument so have a good night.
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Post by slappy on Jan 20, 2013 1:08:42 GMT -5
If there's no such thing as a loophole, how come I know people who know people who have obtained guns through gun shows without having to submit to a background check because they're bought as "novelty items" or something along those lines. Further, there is many websites who will sell overcapacity magazines or other illegal extensions to guns without abiding by the rules because their aftermarket pieces that are not made specifically by the manufacturer of said gun. I've taken gun classes through law-enforcement and gun safety schools so it's not like I'm clueless on the subject. And obviously I know people are being facetious or trying to use some form of hyperbole when they're talking about banning Cars or forks or spoons. But, you should be able to tell when I'm being facetious about saying 1 million rounds. Not too long ago I was speaking to a friend who is in active duty in the National Guard and he has expressed his concern with gun regulations in this country. He said that some states have it right however a lot of them have these loopholes where you can get guns far too easily. I'm done arguing about this. I'm simply just trying to say that we don't need an excess of assault rifles for protection or our right to "bear arms" if one wants to protect themselves they can have a regulation pistol or even in some case shotgun. Sorry if there are typos. I'm on my phone. What kind of gun was it? So if they are already breaking the law how will more laws stop them from doing so? What exactly is an assault rifle? 9/10 it's called assault rifle because it looks scary when it reality it's just like any other gun except it has an extra grip. The extra grip is what makes it illegal. Not what kind of bullets it shoots or how many rounds or whatever other component there may be. Just the extra grip. Isn't that ridiculous?
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Post by The Highwayman on Jan 20, 2013 1:12:40 GMT -5
I meant to say *semi-automatic assault rifles. And I don't know the type of gun it was. But my point is that these things happen and are overlooked at official gun shows. So clearly there is a loop hole, despite what the non-biased NRA will tell you.
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Post by slappy on Jan 20, 2013 1:21:36 GMT -5
I meant to say *semi-automatic assault rifles. And I don't know the type of gun it was. But my point is that these things happen and are overlooked at official gun shows. So clearly there is a loop hole, despite what the non-biased NRA will tell you. Without knowing what kind of gun it was, it's hard to say one way or another on the topic. I don't give two shits about what the NRA says. Here is an interesting read.
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Post by K5 on Jan 20, 2013 1:33:12 GMT -5
rifles for hunting is one thing, but if you feel the need to have a pistol or assault rifle...i think you need to seriously reflect.
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Jan 20, 2013 2:06:04 GMT -5
You know what needs to be done? It needs to stop being put in the in news all the time. All you see is killings and robbing on the news. How many actual good stories do you hear about? Maybe they need to celebrate heros instead of villans for a change. If the media stopped showing it, people wouldn't know about the gun control problem affecting our nation. Maybe it also wouldn't give people ideas and make them famous.
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