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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Jan 20, 2013 9:02:19 GMT -5
It's like a tweet I saw, be it on a satire Twitter feed or not....it's still true [and ridiculous sounding] "Gay people can't do this. Women shouldn't be able to do that. But touch my semi-automatic rifle and you're trampling on my rights."
I also think that this "Gun Appreciation Day" was conveniently planned on the day before President Obama's 2nd term begins. Yep, I saw the same thing. It really proves how ridiculous, hypocritical and insane right wingers are. It really grinds my gears. www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/01/how-many-people-got-shot-gun-appreciation-day-rallies/61192/This just proves that gun control laws should seriously be implemented. I'm not saying ban guns completely, but something needs to be done. And I feel no sympathy for the morons that got shot. Having an "appreciation day" for something that is used to kill is deplorable and even worse is it taking place and not being canceled after what happened to all those children. It's a real sad state of affairs when people are more concerned about their "gun rights" than those poor children. How does it prove gun control laws need to be implemented? How would the laws have prevented these people from being injured? Keyword there, injured. No one was killed by those "awful killing machines." Giving up their guns isn't going to bring the kids back. It's asinine to think that someone doing something bad means those that didn't do bad are prohibited or looked down upon. Also, people get killed everyday by guns, cars, knives, etc. We don't stop driving because a drunk driver struck and killed someone. We aren't being insensitive to the family by driving a machine that killed their loved one. You know why? Because A) we didn't do it and B) it's the person's fault no one else's. Only they should be held responsible for their actions. It's ridiculous to blame or ridicule others who have no intent on doing what that person did just because they own and use something some bad person used. -_- Cars weren't invented for the sole purpose of killing or injuring. So if someone kills someone else by pushing them off a cliff or building are we supposed to use that same kind of idiot logic with gravity?
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Jan 20, 2013 10:07:13 GMT -5
...and reading the last line of Slappy's reply you quoted, Cobra:
"It's ridiculous to blame or ridicule others who have no intent on doing what that person did just because they own and use something some bad person used."
It goes back to my argument about public assistance. Why is everyone, no matter race, sex, religion, country of origin, sexual orientation, whatever have you, why is every single person ridiculed and lumped together with those who work the system? It's the same damn concept. And the whole "financial harm" excuse...give me a friggin' break. You're taxed no matter what. I'd rather know what my tax dollars are being used for, than the government to keep it from me, and secretly be building like a world destroying nuclear equipped walking tank or something.
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Post by Ben - #6 Munchie on Jan 20, 2013 10:13:36 GMT -5
Ban gravity!
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Post by slappy on Jan 20, 2013 15:06:46 GMT -5
Thanks for ignoring the rest of what I said.
But cars do more killing and injuring than guns do.
It's the person's fault they pushed them not gravity. Just like it's the person's fault they shot someone not the gun.
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Post by slappy on Jan 20, 2013 15:09:15 GMT -5
...and reading the last line of Slappy's reply you quoted, Cobra: "It's ridiculous to blame or ridicule others who have no intent on doing what that person did just because they own and use something some bad person used." It goes back to my argument about public assistance. Why is everyone, no matter race, sex, religion, country of origin, sexual orientation, whatever have you, why is every single person ridiculed and lumped together with those who work the system? It's the same damn concept. And the whole "financial harm" excuse...give me a friggin' break. You're taxed no matter what. I'd rather know what my tax dollars are being used for, than the government to keep it from me, and secretly be building like a world destroying nuclear equipped walking tank or something. Again, you are not forced to pay for someone else's gun, you are forced (with threat of bodily harm/jail time) to pay for someone's public assistance. lol u so funny
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Post by wabarrett on Jan 20, 2013 15:19:20 GMT -5
Guns are banned over here and as a result we have far, far less gun crime.
Just putting that out there.
I mean, everybody being able to have a gun that easily in the U.S. is probably why so many situations can escalate to the point of people shooting each other. 'Your plant is growing over into our backyard! Either cut it down or I'll shoot you bitch'.
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Post by slappy on Jan 20, 2013 15:24:32 GMT -5
Guns are banned over here and as a result we have far, far less gun crime. Just putting that out there. I mean, everybody being able to have a gun that easily in the U.S. is probably why so many situations can escalate to the point of people shooting each other. 'Your plant is growing over into our backyard! Either cut it down or I'll shoot you bitch'. Our violent crime has gone down 50% in the last 20 years and we have many more guns now than we did then. You want to know why it seems like there are more? The media hypes each one up. They are in the 24 hour news business so they have to cover something to fill those hours. For some reason instead of just reporting that it happens, they dedicate days to it and the killers talking about it and making the killers famous. It has nothing to do with guns, it has everything to do with media sensationalism and unhinged people realizing they too can be on the news and have their name heard around the world if they do something bad. If someone is unstable enough to shoot someone over a plant growing into their side of the yard then they'd be ok with breaking the law to get a gun illegally.
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Post by wabarrett on Jan 20, 2013 15:44:50 GMT -5
Guns are banned over here and as a result we have far, far less gun crime. Just putting that out there. I mean, everybody being able to have a gun that easily in the U.S. is probably why so many situations can escalate to the point of people shooting each other. 'Your plant is growing over into our backyard! Either cut it down or I'll shoot you bitch'. Our violent crime has gone down 50% in the last 20 years and we have many more guns now than we did then. You want to know why it seems like there are more? The media hypes each one up. They are in the 24 hour news business so they have to cover something to fill those hours. For some reason instead of just reporting that it happens, they dedicate days to it and the killers talking about it and making the killers famous. It has nothing to do with guns, it has everything to do with media sensationalism and unhinged people realizing they too can be on the news and have their name heard around the world if they do something bad. If someone is unstable enough to shoot someone over a plant growing into their side of the yard then they'd be ok with breaking the law to get a gun illegally. I actually agree with you completely there. I just believe that people having such easy access to guns in the U.S. makes people more inclined to use a gun, which obviously in turn leads to more shootings.
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Post by Ben - #6 Munchie on Jan 20, 2013 15:47:54 GMT -5
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Post by slappy on Jan 20, 2013 15:51:49 GMT -5
Jamaica has tough gun laws. 99% of the population is banned from owning guns. If you have influence you can get the government to give you a special permit to own guns and bullets. You must pass a background check, get a license and pay a $6000 a year fee to own the gun. Automatic weapons are banned entirely. The military and police even went house by house searching for weapons. If you are caught with a gun, you get an automatic life sentence. Last week someone opened fire in a coffee shop killing a little girl and injuring 3 others. So their gun ban and gun court did not prevent this person from shooting at different people. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-21002359Also, they had, as of 2010, nearly 1100 gun homicides a year. Isn't that something. 99% of the population cannot own a gun yet nearly 1100 are gunned down each year.
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Post by wabarrett on Jan 20, 2013 15:57:46 GMT -5
Jamaica has tough gun laws. 99% of the population is banned from owning guns. If you have influence you can get the government to give you a special permit to own guns and bullets. You must pass a background check, get a license and pay a $6000 a year fee to own the gun. Automatic weapons are banned entirely. The military and police even went house by house searching for weapons. If you are caught with a gun, you get an automatic life sentence. Last week someone opened fire in a coffee shop killing a little girl and injuring 3 others. So their gun ban and gun court did not prevent this person from shooting at different people. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-21002359Also, they had, as of 2010, nearly 1100 gun homicides a year. Isn't that something. 99% of the population cannot own a gun yet nearly 1100 are gunned down each year. I hear ya. Places like that are f***** up and I'm far from surprised to hear that, but still, you're right.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Jan 20, 2013 16:25:28 GMT -5
Guns are banned over here and as a result we have far, far less gun crime. Just putting that out there. I mean, everybody being able to have a gun that easily in the U.S. is probably why so many situations can escalate to the point of people shooting each other. 'Your plant is growing over into our backyard! Either cut it down or I'll shoot you bitch'. Completely different culture. This country was settled using guns. This country won it's freedom using guns. Completely different culture.
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Post by Quanthor on Jan 20, 2013 16:42:14 GMT -5
"culture" seems to be the key in most cases. Where gun control could and has worked in places like Japan, Jamaica however is a reminder that in some cases it doesn't. Poverty is usually a common denominator where gun crime is prevalent and Jamaica has been a shitty place to live since forever. Not only that but gun trafficking is a huge problem there. While acquiring one is legally is difficult, there's so much smuggling it really doesn't matter.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2013 17:11:22 GMT -5
rifles for hunting is one thing, but if you feel the need to have a pistol or assault rifle...i think you need to seriously reflect. Have one? So If I own an assault rifle and keep it in my house, on display with several militaria besides it, do I need to reflect? Reflect on what?
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Jan 20, 2013 17:33:39 GMT -5
Mexico is another country with strict gun laws, but problems with gun violence.
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Post by slappy on Jan 20, 2013 17:47:36 GMT -5
Mexico is another country with strict gun laws, but problems with gun violence. Sent from my XT907 using proboards It also doesn't help that we give them the guns that end up being used to kill dozens.
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Post by Jack Specific on Jan 20, 2013 17:53:21 GMT -5
rifles for hunting is one thing, but if you feel the need to have a pistol or assault rifle...i think you need to seriously reflect. Have one? So If I own an assault rifle and keep it in my house, on display with several militaria besides it, do I need to reflect? Reflect on what? Exactly. I would never purposely hurt or kill an animal (or person for that matter). I am must less cruel than a hunter yet I have an 'assault' type weapon. I enjoy taking it to the range and shooting it as a hobby or sport. So why is a hunter's hobby/sport ok but my hobby/sport is not when I am actually not hurting anything and the hunter is? Do I have to kill things with my firearm to make it ok? I think not. JS
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Post by Parchandri on Jan 20, 2013 18:02:55 GMT -5
Gun control debate, Round 8. FIGHT!
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Post by K5 on Jan 20, 2013 18:56:45 GMT -5
Have one? So If I own an assault rifle and keep it in my house, on display with several militaria besides it, do I need to reflect? Reflect on what? Exactly. I would never purposely hurt or kill an animal (or person for that matter). I am must less cruel than a hunter yet I have an 'assault' type weapon. I enjoy taking it to the range and shooting it as a hobby or sport. So why is a hunter's hobby/sport ok but my hobby/sport is not when I am actually not hurting anything and the hunter is? Do I have to kill things with my firearm to make it ok? I think not. JS i should clarify i meant to include sport shooting as well. i meant those that acquire guns in order to feel safe and 'ready to defend.'
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Post by HR2X on Jan 20, 2013 18:59:15 GMT -5
Okay, time for me to say something here... since when are "Semi-automatic" rifles the bad guys so to speak? The people who mention that need to pull their heads out of their asses because ALL guns manufactured and available on the civilian market are semi-auto.. everything from Billy-Bobs AR-15 to your grandfathers shotgun that has been passed down through generations. The AWB is merely an attack on rifles that LOOK a certain way.. they LOOK evil and bad and like baby killers.. here for example: This is the Ruger Mini-14 rifle: And this is the AR-15 Rifle: Now, one of these is considered an "Assault rifle" while the other is not. The difference? a collapsible stock and a pistol grip. (now in NY, the collapsible stock isn't allowed, so the only difference would be the pistol grip. Both rifles have the same barrel length, both fire the same cartridge, both are able to accept standard capacity magazines (30 rounds) So why is one an "Assault rifle" and the other is not? I'll tell you why.. because the left doesn't like the way the AR looks... it looks evil, it looks bad, and it looks dangerous. Now, I own both of these rifles, and I'll tell you, I can shoot just as fast and just as accurately with the Mini-14 as I can with an AR. Point being, let's not villainize a weapon because of the way it looks. A real "Assault rifle" is capable of select-fire, that means Full-Auto, or burst, and those have been HEAVILY regulated since 1934.
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