500DaysofNight
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Post by 500DaysofNight on Jan 16, 2013 10:44:26 GMT -5
If he would've turned on Zack Ryder last year, Cena would've been more over than CM Punk was. People on this forum would've ate that up with a spoon and begged for more.
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Post by wabarrett on Jan 16, 2013 10:45:43 GMT -5
Big fan. Needs to cut the crap with these go-nowhere promos though. His matches are usually fun, his promos (when he's actually in a good feud and is trying) are incredible.
I also believe a lot of the disdain for him is a result of the fact that, over the last few years, he's steamrolled internet darlings who are perhaps more technically sound than him: Jericho, Angle, Edge, Michaels, CM Punk, Lesnar, Bryan, Ziggler, etc etc.
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Post by Irish Wrestling Entertainment on Jan 16, 2013 11:12:33 GMT -5
not a fan and never have been. last Monday on Raw is the reason why.this in Superman schtick is beyond corny. I mean if Zigglers Superkick or ZigZag is good enough to beat Orton why isnt it good enough to beat Cena? that cage match devalued Ziggler AGAIN. This. Everyone speaks about how he is 'good for the business'. Maybe so, from a merchandise perspective. What most wrestling fans regularly fail to acknowledge or overlook is several key points. - WWE have turned into a PR machine and whilst I don't question that Cena enjoys the Make-a-Wish days, he'd be doing those regardless of whether he liked them or not. He's been given the ball, if he didn't run with it - he would have lost it. - His off-air personality seems to be iffy and he seems to lord himself over the rest of the roster. Telling Punk that he 'almost gave up on him', shows that Cena can be a tool. The Alex Riley thing too. - The second most important point, think about the amount of careers he has derailed. I mean, every single person on the roster (perhaps except Punk) is on a lower echelon to Cena. You could be riding the wave of momentum and then boom, loss to Cena. Totally irrecoverable because his character buries people. Dolph Ziggler used his 2 finishers and had a double interference and couldn't beat him. Think of the effect this has on Dolph Ziggler's credibility (kayfabe). This has happened to superstar after superstar since Cena's meteoric rise and it is the main reason why no new credible stars can be created. There is an on-screen glass ceiling named John Cena. (whether or not this is his fault is irrelevant, it happens.) - The most important point, I simply don't enjoy him. As Juice said, I don't tune in every week thinking 'I can't wait to hear/watch John Cena.' He's the face of the company. He should be the main thing people are looking forward to. Only, in my opinion, around 20% of the adult male demographic want to see him on a weekly basis.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2013 11:15:59 GMT -5
Starting to actually despise his character again. I think he is a great wrestler and can put on a great match and has great promos when he wants to.
As of recently though, hes going Superman again. Ziggler threw everything in his arsenal and more at Cena on RAW and Cena still manages to win.
I'm not saying he should lose all the time, but sometimes the way he wins is what pisses me off.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jan 16, 2013 11:20:38 GMT -5
Big fan. Needs to cut the crap with these go-nowhere promos though. His matches are usually fun, his promos (when he's actually in a good feud and is trying) are incredible. I also believe a lot of the disdain for him is a result of the fact that, over the last few years, he's steamrolled internet darlings who are perhaps more technically sound than him: Jericho, Angle, Edge, Michaels, CM Punk, Lesnar, Bryan, Ziggler, etc etc. He's steamrolled everyone, not just Internet darlings. The only guy he hasn't beaten time and time again is CM Punk, who is now the second biggest star in the company because of it. I'm not counting The Rock, but we all know he's getting his moment against The Rock on the biggest stage possible. I enjoy him when he feuds with CM Punk, and his match against Brock was one of the best of the year imo. However, he's been doing the same thing for so long. It's just old. Cena's talented, there is no doubt in my mind, but he hit his ceiling a long time ago. So you have to either do something new with him, or fans will continue to tell him he sucks. He's safe and wholesome, and in 2013 and especially in wrestling that's passé. You do the same thing long enough and people are bound to get bored with it. You get force fed something you are already bored with long enough and people are bound to grow spiteful. That's Cena.
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Post by McBlake on Jan 16, 2013 11:22:31 GMT -5
I respect his work ethic and what he's done for fans outside of the ring but he seems like he'd be a dick to work with. I've never got this. Are we basing this off of the opinions of a bunch of pissed off guys that no longer work with him or is there something I'm missing? Serious question.
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Post by OmegaGaijin on Jan 16, 2013 11:47:37 GMT -5
I really HATE it when people say it is cool to hate him. Utter nonsense. Just a blanket statement to discredit peoples opinions that don't agree with your own.
My own personal taste comes down to what goes on in the ring. Wrestling has to have some sense of realism to it for me. Whenever Cena throws a punch it reminds me of what it would be like sitting in a cinema watching a film, then the camera guy walks on to the scene & waves to the audience. It is contrived & reminds you that suspended belief you had for a minute is gone.
He also seems to have two left feet like Matt Hardy, don't know whats going on there, but it makes his movement & timing awkward.
How did a guy in his position, not keep improving his basic skills?? A lot of fault must lie with co workers. Even people like The Rock would go up to the dungeon with Bret & brush up his skills, DDP would still go to the Power Plant etc etc.
Some of these things are really fixable, madness.
As for the character, well i don't like him. But i am not suppose to, he is a hero to million of kids, & pretty much nails it. As an adult though, i want to see the Dark Knight version of Cena, not the Batman & Robin version.
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Post by K5 on Jan 16, 2013 11:49:28 GMT -5
blandest wrestling star ever, his character blows.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2013 12:05:43 GMT -5
I respect his work ethic and what he's done for fans outside of the ring but he seems like he'd be a dick to work with. This I can't stand him. He's stale, boring and a phony. ...and this.
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Post by wabarrett on Jan 16, 2013 12:11:54 GMT -5
A lot of the replies might as well just read, 'I hate him 'cause he beats my favorite guys.' Which sometimes, I actually understand and agree with.
@$heamus. Firstly, being in a match and holding his own against Cena has already made Ziggler a bigger star. That guy has been doing the same s*** for a while now too, i.e. having a woman cut most of his promos and jobbing to main event guys. It's piss poor that little has changed in that regard, but yet I think most would agree that he looks a bigger star now. Some of that comes down to this feud with Cena.
Secondly, a lot of that stuff you typed could be applied to Sheamus too. Guess none of the Superman stuff, repetitiveness, steamrolling everyone and the fact that a chunk of the adult male demographic don't care for him, doesn't bother you?
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Post by K5 on Jan 16, 2013 12:26:46 GMT -5
A lot of the replies might as well just read, 'I hate him 'cause he beats my favorite guys.' Which sometimes, I actually understand and agree with. uhh no, no one said that. yep, and give him time. sheamus will get his hate too, i know that i despise him. but there's no denying cena is the worse of those two evils. just give it up, people have legitimate reasons for disliking cena.
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Post by wabarrett on Jan 16, 2013 12:30:17 GMT -5
A lot of the replies might as well just read, 'I hate him 'cause he beats my favorite guys.' Which sometimes, I actually understand and agree with. uhh no, no one said that. yep, and give him time. sheamus will get his hate too, i know that i despise him. but there's no denying cena is the worse of those two evils. just give it up, people have legitimate reasons for disliking cena. I like Sheamus too. Other than that, all I can say is no need to take a pop at me. It's 'The opinion on John Cena', so there's my opinion on John Cena. People have legit reasons to dislike him, people also have intellectually- disabled reasons, that somehow wouldn't apply in the case of another star. If CM Punk runs roughshot over the whole roster once again in 2013, many will be fine with it.
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Post by Johnny Wrestling on Jan 16, 2013 12:36:57 GMT -5
A lot of the replies might as well just read, 'I hate him 'cause he beats my favorite guys.' Which sometimes, I actually understand and agree with. @$heamus. Firstly, being in a match and holding his own against Cena has already made Ziggler a bigger star. That guy has been doing the same s*** for a while now too, i.e. having a woman cut most of his promos and jobbing to main event guys. It's piss poor that little has changed in that regard, but yet I think most would agree that he looks a bigger star now. Some of that comes down to this feud with Cena. Secondly, a lot of that stuff you typed could be applied to Sheamus too. Guess none of the Superman stuff, repetitiveness, steamrolling everyone and the fact that a chunk of the adult male demographic don't care for him, doesn't bother you? The guy that recently lost the title totally cleanly?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2013 12:38:50 GMT -5
I've always said, it's not John Cena I hate, it's how he's booked as superman.
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Post by wabarrett on Jan 16, 2013 12:41:43 GMT -5
A lot of the replies might as well just read, 'I hate him 'cause he beats my favorite guys.' Which sometimes, I actually understand and agree with. @$heamus. Firstly, being in a match and holding his own against Cena has already made Ziggler a bigger star. That guy has been doing the same s*** for a while now too, i.e. having a woman cut most of his promos and jobbing to main event guys. It's piss poor that little has changed in that regard, but yet I think most would agree that he looks a bigger star now. Some of that comes down to this feud with Cena. Secondly, a lot of that stuff you typed could be applied to Sheamus too. Guess none of the Superman stuff, repetitiveness, steamrolling everyone and the fact that a chunk of the adult male demographic don't care for him, doesn't bother you? The guy that recently lost the title totally cleanly? Yeah. That guy. He lost the Title cleanly, doesn't mean he didn't spent the whole of 2012 squashing guys, or that he wasn't winning all the time, or that a good portion of fans didn't enjoy anything he did all year, or that he never showed weakness (up until that loss).
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on Jan 16, 2013 13:35:17 GMT -5
John Cena is one of my all time favorites. Noone works harder. He's even reached the a point in his career where his match quality is great. What more do you guys want from him? Should he be putting over IWC favorites at Wrestlemania?
Ziggler is a good wrestler, he doesn't deserve anything more than what he got out of this feud with Cena. One ppv win and he lost the next 2 times to close the feud.
Ziggler will go on and win the world title and have a decent reign. The guy isn't going to set the world on fire.
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Post by J12 on Jan 16, 2013 13:39:15 GMT -5
I have no issue with John Cena. I have issues with the way he's booked and handled, but that really has very little to do with him.
He gets it done in the ring, he's a public relations dream, and he has an intense and unwavering amount of love and respect for the business.
I hate the "Super Cena" concept and believe it's the largest contributing factor in leading a lot of fans to dislike him.
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Post by OmegaGaijin on Jan 16, 2013 14:15:45 GMT -5
I find it fascinating that the people whom are not fans are like that way because of his gimmick & how he is booked.
If you are making TV for the current demographic WWE is aiming for just now,isn't he actually booked perfectly? Maybe 'Super Cena' is correct?
My problem is purely wrestling based as i said before. I just don't enjoy his matches.
This Cena thing is really interesting though, again, it is a fascinating debate.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2013 14:52:41 GMT -5
I do not like him, never have & cant pissibly imagine i ever will. As someone else said, the guy is just awkward in the ring, I don't understand, he's been wrestling for over a decade & he's gotten no better, it's uncanny. I hate his matches, watching him wrestle irritates me. I'm also not a fan if his promos, he's cringe inducingly lame & cheesy & the thing he does where he recaps everything going on makes me want to vomit. I honestly from the bottom of my heart think he is terrible.
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Post by /X Metal Sorenges x "Mac Oh J~ on Jan 16, 2013 14:58:54 GMT -5
Not going to go in-depth about this but I never been so hot with him winning all those main event matches after 2 finishers and about 5 signaturer moves. That Hell in a Cell match w/Ziggler and the interruptions from Big E and AJ and still won that much really pissed me off tbh
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