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Post by TheBadGuyChico on Jan 28, 2013 15:44:55 GMT -5
From November 2011 until summer 2012 when Rock announced that he was challenging for the title at Rumble i believe Punk's reign was his time to shine. However it seems like from there on his only purpose was to get heat and build up the length of his reign to make the Rock's win that much more monumental.
Punk's entire purpose was to serve as a catalyst for a Rock/Cena rematch for the title. My question is how did alot of you not see this coming?
Who knows maybe WWE planned this back in 2011?
I'm annoyed by all the butthurt fans online only because they act surprised. Punk was never the guy, he never will be the guy. Simply because he doesn't draw money on the same level as other stars. Did people really think WWE was trying to make Punk a huge star?
This literally has to be the longest transitional reign of all time.
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Post by Gazza on Jan 28, 2013 15:45:58 GMT -5
No.
You're insane if you think Punk was a transitional champion.
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Post by gawd6sic6™ on Jan 28, 2013 15:46:58 GMT -5
doesnt draw money like other stars?? who outsold cenas merch??
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Post by Ben - #6 Munchie on Jan 28, 2013 15:47:46 GMT -5
Doesn't draw money? Are you  ing insane? |
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Jan 28, 2013 15:48:32 GMT -5
How can you say he doesn't make them money? He is a main even wrestler and always has new stuff out so he must be making something. He has also been in the main event for about 2 years now. If he didn't make $ the WWE wouldn't be using him.I am not pissed off he lost the title i am more pissed that WWE didn't try to hide it or anything. It was like yup we are going to do this and you will all like it. I knew since last WM and the Rock won there was going to be a rematch. it wasn't hard to figure out.
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on Jan 28, 2013 15:51:18 GMT -5
Doesn't draw money? Are you ing insane? Real money, not just t-shirts. I'm talking a guy who mainstream media cares about. Mass culture pays to see. |
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on Jan 28, 2013 15:52:56 GMT -5
No. You're insane if you think Punk was a transitional champion. In the sense that the whole time he was champion he was warming the belt for Rocky!!! The plan obviously for Rock-Cena II to be for the title. Punk was always meant to hand it over. Fact. |
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Post by Gazza on Jan 28, 2013 15:54:41 GMT -5
No. You're insane if you think Punk was a transitional champion. In the sense that the whole time he was champion he was warming the belt for Rocky!!! The plan obviously for Rock-Cena II to be for the title. Punk was always meant to hand it over. Fact. No it isn't a fact. You don't know the facts of it, Nobody really knows what WWE's plans was since it was announced. So it's not a fact at all. |
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Post by MrPerfect25 on Jan 28, 2013 15:54:44 GMT -5
If we are talking mainstream, pop culture money.......then I hate to saw it but Miz is a bigger star than Punk.
And to the person who said Punk has been in every main event for 2 years, he wasn't in the main event at Survivor Series '11 or WM28
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Jan 28, 2013 15:56:22 GMT -5
Doesn't draw money? Are you ing insane? Real money, not just t-shirts. I'm talking a guy who mainstream media cares about. Mass culture pays to see. Blame WWE for that. They want to control everything their superstars do outside of the ring. Look at I hate comparing the attitude era but look at the tv from there. Guys were on all Kinds of shows promoting. WWE only wants who they want on top and they set a ceiling |
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Jan 28, 2013 15:56:50 GMT -5
A transitional champion is someone you give the belt to, so that they can loose it quickly after.
Punk was champion for well over a year, if he couldn't draw WWE would have been loosing too much money to keep him as Champion.
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on Jan 28, 2013 16:02:42 GMT -5
A transitional champion is someone you give the belt to, so that they can loose it quickly after. Punk was champion for well over a year, if he couldn't draw WWE would have been loosing too much money to keep him as Champion. See your're right for the most part but i do disagree about the bolded. A transition doesn't need to be fast for it to be an accurate use of the word. Not by any stretch. Punk was a transition to Rocky. Not sure how anyone can dispute this when we all saw it coming months in advance. His reign lacked a purpose besides being fed to Rocky after August. WWE even gave us the expiration date of his reign. |
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on Jan 28, 2013 16:04:13 GMT -5
Real money, not just t-shirts. I'm talking a guy who mainstream media cares about. Mass culture pays to see. Blame WWE for that. They want to control everything their superstars do outside of the ring. Look at I hate comparing the attitude era but look at the tv from there. Guys were on all Kinds of shows promoting. WWE only wants who they want on top and they set a ceiling I don't doubt this. Pretty good school of thought here. Not sure why they would do that set limits on anyones success, but it don't doubt it either. |
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Jan 28, 2013 16:09:07 GMT -5
We've all know since July 23rd when it was announced that The Rock was getting a WWE Title shot at the Royal Rumble and then when he attacked The Rock at the close of the show that CM Punk's Title run was going to end at the Royal Rumble.
It definitely takes some of the shine off his Title reign when, except for the people who didn't want to accept it just like the people who refused to believe Cena would win the Royal Rumble when it was blatantly obvious, that for 189 of the 434 days we knew exactly what was going to eventually be the end of it....it does sort of give the "he was just keeping it warm for The Rock" feeling, now that it's over and we look back.
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Jan 28, 2013 16:18:57 GMT -5
A transitional champion is someone you give the belt to, so that they can loose it quickly after. Punk was champion for well over a year, if he couldn't draw WWE would have been loosing too much money to keep him as Champion. See your're right for the most part but i do disagree about the bolded. A transition doesn't need to be fast for it to be an accurate use of the word. Not by any stretch. Punk was a transition to Rocky. Not sure how anyone can dispute this when we all saw it coming months in advance. His reign lacked a purpose besides being fed to Rocky after August. WWE even gave us the expiration date of his reign. I guess so... I dont think he was originally meant to be a transitional champion though. But it kinda worked into that. I always saw a transitional champ as a guy like (example) the Miz (a) wins the belt from Orton (b) to carry it to Cena(c), missing out Ryback(d) to get the belt to from one guy to another because they feel that guy "d" isnt ready for it, and guy "a" needs a little bit of exposure, but to do it very quickly so everyone gets a bit of lime light. |
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Post by MrPerfect25 on Jan 28, 2013 16:22:48 GMT -5
I don't think Miz was a transitional champ either. Mcmahon gave Miz a go because he's a polar opposite of Orton. Had star quality and already had his feet wet in tv. Why not just have Cena beat Orton then?
I transitional champ was someone like Kane in 98. Get the belt off Austin, then have it be vacant and put it up for grabs at SS 98 Deadly Game tournament. That way Rock wins without facing Austin until the climax at WM15.
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Post by Likwid[[Southern]] on Jan 28, 2013 16:30:58 GMT -5
I don't think Miz was a transitional champ either. Mcmahon gave Miz a go because he's a polar opposite of Orton. Had star quality and already had his feet wet in tv. Why not just have Cena beat Orton then? I transitional champ was someone like Kane in 98. Get the belt off Austin, then have it be vacant and put it up for grabs at SS 98 Deadly Game tournament. That way Rock wins without facing Austin until the climax at WM15. Ok...To begin... In wrestling terms, Orton is a bigger star than Miz. Orton, with the exception of his 2004 run, hit the main-event, and stayed put, always seeming to be a credible threat to the title. Miz on it, lost it, and was jobbing to Brodus Clay. Why didn't Cena take the title from Orton? Hmm...maybe because they were both faces, and Cena was fueding with Nexus at the time? And Kane was not a transitional champion in 1998. Please learn your facts before stating them. The title was vacated after Austin was pinned by Kane and Undertaker in a triple threat. Kane had beat Austin at King of the Ring for the title, but lost it back to him the next night. He didn't transition it to anything. WWF had just backed themselves into a corner with the First Blood gimmick, so it was only plausible for Kane to win. Austin got it back the next night, and it was quickly forgotten about. |
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Post by MrPerfect25 on Jan 28, 2013 16:41:54 GMT -5
I don't think Miz was a transitional champ either. Mcmahon gave Miz a go because he's a polar opposite of Orton. Had star quality and already had his feet wet in tv. Why not just have Cena beat Orton then? I transitional champ was someone like Kane in 98. Get the belt off Austin, then have it be vacant and put it up for grabs at SS 98 Deadly Game tournament. That way Rock wins without facing Austin until the climax at WM15. Ok...To begin... In wrestling terms, Orton is a bigger star than Miz. Orton, with the exception of his 2004 run, hit the main-event, and stayed put, always seeming to be a credible threat to the title. Miz on it, lost it, and was jobbing to Brodus Clay. Why didn't Cena take the title from Orton? Hmm...maybe because they were both faces, and Cena was fueding with Nexus at the time? And Kane was not a transitional champion in 1998. Please learn your facts before stating them. The title was vacated after Austin was pinned by Kane and Undertaker in a triple threat. Kane had beat Austin at King of the Ring for the title, but lost it back to him the next night. He didn't transition it to anything. WWF had just backed themselves into a corner with the First Blood gimmick, so it was only plausible for Kane to win. Austin got it back the next night, and it was quickly forgotten about. Ok to begin, Orton may be a bigger star wrestling wise, but we were talking mainstream, pop culture wise. And faces do fight faces. It has happened before. And while my memory may have missed bit and pieces, I was at both shows. KOTR was in Pittsburgh, and raw the next night was in Cleveland. Backed themselves into a corner with the first blood match? You don't they realized Kane was covered head to toe with a mask and attire when they wrote the angle? Kane was still a transitional champ, if not from person to person, within the storyline itself. Relax. I didn't mean to offend you. |
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Post by Road Warriors on Jan 28, 2013 16:54:23 GMT -5
From November 2011 until summer 2012 when Rock announced that he was challenging for the title at Rumble i believe Punk's reign was his time to shine. However it seems like from there on his only purpose was to get heat and build up the length of his reign to make the Rock's win that much more monumental. Punk's entire purpose was to serve as a catalyst for a Rock/Cena rematch for the title. My question is how did alot of you not see this coming? Who knows maybe WWE planned this back in 2011? I'm annoyed by all the butthurt fans online only because they act surprised. Punk was never the guy, he never will be the guy. Simply because he doesn't draw money on the same level as other stars. Did people really think WWE was trying to make Punk a huge star? This literally has to be the longest transitional reign of all time. Punk had his run because he earned it and deserved it and anyone who works in the WWE will tell you the same thing. He has done more then you will know in not only bringing the product back to respectability but also encouraging the WWE to bring in guys like Danielson and Cesaro. He deserved this run and I'm glad people like HHH saw this and let him run with it. |
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Post by Spoder Juan on Jan 28, 2013 16:55:51 GMT -5
For your stupidity
you will go one on one with RANDEH ORTON!!!
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