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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2013 17:44:52 GMT -5
No. You're insane if you think Punk was a transitional champion. AGREED.
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Post by Rule 30 on Jan 28, 2013 17:46:42 GMT -5
There's no doubting the reason why Punk has had the title for the past six months is to lost it to Rock, but the first eight months were not transnational. You really can't call the last six months transnational, but you have to admit he's only been holding on to it to lose to Rock. Which is what really bothers me the most.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2013 17:47:45 GMT -5
No. You're insane if you think Punk was a transitional champion. In the sense that the whole time he was champion he was warming the belt for Rocky!!! The plan obviously for Rock-Cena II to be for the title. Punk was always meant to hand it over. Fact. Fact: EVERYONE is meant to "hand it over". It's called the "time honored tradition" by some and "transitioning by others. The business is built around character development, athleticism and drama.
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Post by Fleet Foxes on Jan 28, 2013 18:45:12 GMT -5
if anyone is a transitional champion, it's the rock
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Post by yinyang on Jan 28, 2013 18:50:16 GMT -5
hahah this is mind blowing to think that way. LAWL!
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Post by StingerSplash on Jan 28, 2013 18:51:23 GMT -5
if anyone is a transitional champion, it's the rock Exactly what I came in here to post. He's basically only holding it to hand back over to SuperCena at 'Mania.
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Post by done on Jan 28, 2013 18:54:08 GMT -5
I draw more money than Punk and I don't even work for the WWF
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Post by ztj_wwf on Jan 28, 2013 19:25:44 GMT -5
Rock is the transitional champion, not Punk. lol
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Post by Rob on Jan 28, 2013 19:48:56 GMT -5
Only on Wfigs where a bunch of people over analyze things. He had a 14 month Reign, How in the hell is that a transitional champion?
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Post by J12 on Jan 28, 2013 19:54:09 GMT -5
We've all know since July 23rd when it was announced that The Rock was getting a WWE Title shot at the Royal Rumble and then when he attacked The Rock at the close of the show that CM Punk's Title run was going to end at the Royal Rumble. It definitely takes some of the shine off his Title reign when, except for the people who didn't want to accept it just like the people who refused to believe Cena would win the Royal Rumble when it was blatantly obvious, that for 189 of the 434 days we knew exactly what was going to eventually be the end of it....it does sort of give the "he was just keeping it warm for The Rock" feeling, now that it's over and we look back. I agree. Because the definition of transitional typically means a relatively quick span in wrestling, I'd stray away from that word and instead basically refer to Punk as a placeholder for the latter portion of his reign, because truly, that's all he was. He was busting his ass and carrying the company until the big boys came back into the picture.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2013 19:54:09 GMT -5
I'm so sick of people on this forum thinking they are experts on who does and doesn't draw money just because they read the dirt sheets. Shut the up.
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Post by K5 on Jan 28, 2013 20:48:49 GMT -5
clear attack on punk and his fans, chico is just a hater.
punk had an amazing reign that not even with his loss to the rock can be overshadowed. punk made it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2013 23:49:19 GMT -5
I agree with whoever said that the Rock is a transitional champion...it's practically a given that we'll see the Rock drop the belt to his opponent at WM29, whether that be Cena (likely) or Lesnar (dark horse) or even give Ryback a shot (doubtful) due to the fact that the Rock isn't a wrestler anymore, and that's not a dig to Rocky, just a fact. He's provided the shot in the arm to the WWE that it needed but had they done more with guys like Dolph Ziggler there could have been no need for the Rock to be a transitional champion.
In hindsight, Punk's reign will be memorable for what it was, some interesting matches (that TLC on Raw was balls to the wall great, minus Shield interference) and the heat he had with Ric Flair at the Slammys. Hopefully that it will be remembered for more than just keeping it warm for the Rock.
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Post by Randolph J 'Hurricane' Spencer on Jan 28, 2013 23:54:46 GMT -5
Doesn't every champion just end up transitioning it to the other? Macho Man held it for a year just to lose it to Hogan.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2013 0:09:11 GMT -5
Doesn't every champion just end up transitioning it to the other? Macho Man held it for a year just to lose it to Hogan. I think a better way of looking at things might be for storyline purposes. The whole "Mega Powers Explode" thing and even WM4 was just a buildup to WM5 with Hogan getting the belt back, and that took up the better part of a year with a solid storyline and character development. I don't think there was much of either when it came to Punk handing the belt over to the Rock in that while the Rock has been around for a bit, it's not really long enough to have the ooomph that a returning champion would have had (Savage dropping the belt to Hogan) or someone new and exciting (Hogan dropping the belt to Warrior).
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Post by Word™ on Jan 29, 2013 0:12:39 GMT -5
You're a ing moron.
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Post by Sami Hazard on Jan 29, 2013 20:32:35 GMT -5
Well if you think about it that way anyone is holding the belt just to lose the belt. Was John Cena WWE Champion throughout 2005 just to keep it warm for Edge? No. Granted Edge was a surprise but I'll use another example.
Was Cena WWE Champion just to lose it to RVD? No. He lost for a reason, for the resurgence of ECW.
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Post by nwewrestling on Jan 29, 2013 20:46:09 GMT -5
A transitional champion is someone you give the belt to, so that they can loose it quickly after. Punk was champion for well over a year, if he couldn't draw WWE would have been loosing too much money to keep him as Champion. See your're right for the most part but i do disagree about the bolded. A transition doesn't need to be fast for it to be an accurate use of the word. Not by any stretch. Punk was a transition to Rocky. Not sure how anyone can dispute this when we all saw it coming months in advance. His reign lacked a purpose besides being fed to Rocky after August. WWE even gave us the expiration date of his reign. Yup, beating Chris Jericho, Daniel Bryan, and John Cena is being transition champ. Please educate me more.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Jan 29, 2013 21:28:25 GMT -5
If you think Punk is a simple "belt swap middle man" then you're a fool.
CM Punk's anti-hero, artistically eclectic dynamic appeals to everyone from hipsters to hillbillies.
He is an almost perfect champion for this era. He has a look, a voice, a brain & most of all :WRESTLING ABILITY.
Personally, I don't think Rock vs Cena II needed the belt. I was excited for the rematch to be one of the many main event level matches along with the primary title matches, the matches featuring Y2J, Lesnar & HHH. Not to mention, seeing if Undertaker is actually crazy enough to not call "The end of an era" the end of the most historic career in wrestling history. But I digress.
To conclude, Punk gave too many PPV quality matches every show, too many thrilling promos, too many compelling angles, & too well booked of a face/heel transition, to be viewed as though his reign can be robbed of it's validity in ANY manner.
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Post by Arthur Speaks on Jan 29, 2013 22:49:02 GMT -5
The night of RAW 1000, I knew Rock would beat Punk at the Royal Rumble. Does that make Punk a transitional champ? No. In his 434-day reign, Punk put away Alberto Del Rio, The Miz, Dolph Ziggler, Kofi Kingston, R-Truth, Chris Jericho, Mark Henry, Daniel Bryan, Kane, John Cena, Big Show, and Ryback. That's a pretty impressive list. Was he simply holding the belt for The Rock after he turned heel? Hell yeah.
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