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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2013 15:02:37 GMT -5
The one objection I have with Bret is that he'd give the HHH/Taker HIAC match a 3 or 4/10. That's just not right. Watch that match with the sound off and pretend it is happening in 2005. Then it doesn't look so good. The match was predictable and boring, just as Bret said. Its only after you add in the "End of an Era" hype machine and JR's announcing that punch kick chair shot repeat becomes a "great" match. I do think HHH has had a few great matches but WM 28 was not one of them. The three stages of hell vs Austin and HIAC versus HBK stand out in my memory. I could say the same thing for many matches. Commentary and the crowd are so important to a match, take that away and it can ruin many classics. |
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Post by The Undertaker on Jan 31, 2013 15:25:22 GMT -5
The one objection I have with Bret is that he'd give the HHH/Taker HIAC match a 3 or 4/10. That's just not right. Watch that match with the sound off and pretend it is happening in 2005. Then it doesn't look so good. The match was predictable and boring, just as Bret said. Its only after you add in the "End of an Era" hype machine and JR's announcing that punch kick chair shot repeat becomes a "great" match. I do think HHH has had a few great matches but WM 28 was not one of them. The three stages of hell vs Austin and HIAC versus HBK stand out in my memory. Saying "Watch that match and pretend its 2005" is the same thing as saying watch that match and pretend its Ricky Steamboat versus Ric Flair. There's just one problem. It's not  ing 2005. |
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Post by marino13 on Jan 31, 2013 15:42:57 GMT -5
I've always loved Bret so I mean no disrespect, but let's be honest here... What has he ever done that was unique? Most who grew up on him, knew move for move how 90% of his matches would play out. But I still consider him to be an all time great.
And I'm sorry but Triple H has had some great matches. All 3 WM matches with Taker, 3 Stages of Hell vs Austin, RR Street Fight vs Foley, And many of his matches with HBK are all time classics.
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Post by Daniel F'n Bryan on Jan 31, 2013 15:49:33 GMT -5
I cannot disagree with a word he just said. Except that he never had a great match....the matches with Foley were great. Everything was the truth IMO.
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Post by King Richius on Jan 31, 2013 15:50:24 GMT -5
Watch that match with the sound off and pretend it is happening in 2005. Then it doesn't look so good. The match was predictable and boring, just as Bret said. Its only after you add in the "End of an Era" hype machine and JR's announcing that punch kick chair shot repeat becomes a "great" match. I do think HHH has had a few great matches but WM 28 was not one of them. The three stages of hell vs Austin and HIAC versus HBK stand out in my memory. Saying "Watch that match and pretend its 2005" is the same thing as saying watch that match and pretend its Ricky Steamboat versus Ric Flair. There's just one problem. It's not ing 2005. Feeling a little defensive about your idol? Its okay to disagree without resorting to swearing. There are kids here you know  I think Bret Hart was grading the match based purely on technical merit and I know I was. I said what I said to try and get others to picture it the same way, removed from the "end of an era" WM hype. The match itself was boring. I remember watching it and thinking "These two have lost a lot since last year." BTW - Ric Flair and Ricky Steamboat could never have a boring match, even if it was today with both of them as senior citizens. They're that good! |
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Jan 31, 2013 15:57:02 GMT -5
He is right but you have to keep in mind that this isn't an insult. If anything t could be a compliment. Triple H has gone very far without doing anything very extraordinary.
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Post by Bartman on Jan 31, 2013 15:58:55 GMT -5
Watch that match with the sound off and pretend it is happening in 2005. Then it doesn't look so good. The match was predictable and boring, just as Bret said. Its only after you add in the "End of an Era" hype machine and JR's announcing that punch kick chair shot repeat becomes a "great" match. I do think HHH has had a few great matches but WM 28 was not one of them. The three stages of hell vs Austin and HIAC versus HBK stand out in my memory. Saying "Watch that match and pretend its 2005" is the same thing as saying watch that match and pretend its Ricky Steamboat versus Ric Flair. There's just one problem. It's not ing 2005. I'm not sure if that's the point he was trying to make? I think he means that had it just been another HIAC match, say in 2005, without the whole tagline and background story, the match itself wouldn't be as highly praised as it was as far as a 'quality' HIAC match is concerned. Background story definitely adds to matches and make it seem more 'special'. Take HBK/Undertaker at Wrestlemania 25. The whole ending of the streak added a great deal to the match in my opinion, which was part of the reason why it was so exciting with all the near falls. Take the whole background story and streak storyline away from it, and it's still a really great match. For me, the same can't be said for HHH/Taker at Wrestlemania 28. At the end of the day it's all subjective - if you really enjoyed it, more power to you. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Jan 31, 2013 15:59:51 GMT -5
I mostly agree w/ Bret, but there are three great matches that always stick out to me that HHH was apart of...
vs The Rock SS 98
vs Cactus Jack RR 00
vs HBK SS 02
HHH was always above average, but never "The Man." I think it was Jim Cornett who said that HHH was never the top guy, but was simply the one who worked with the top guys. To me, HHH has always been a step below the top dogs like Bret, HBK, Taker, Austin, Rock, Angle, Lesnar (02-03), Cena, etc...
And the HHH/Taker HIAC is highly overrated. Boring match that doesn't hold up to the much better past HIAC matches.
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Post by mikey1974 on Jan 31, 2013 16:08:03 GMT -5
personally,I think Triple H has had some great matches. but I don't consider him one of the all-time greats, just a rung below that. for instance, in my opinion, the "All-Time Greats" are: Hulk Hogan Stone Cold Steve Austin The Rock Macho Man Randy Savage Ric Flair Kurt Angle Shawn Michaels Sting Bruno Sammartino The Undertaker Bret Hitman Hart i'd put Trips in a rung just below those guys, still great,but not an all-time great/ "Legendary" performer. guys like: Triple H Mick Foley Chris Jericho Edge Bob Backlund Kevin Nash Scott Hall Goldberg Ricky Steamboat Brock Lesnar belong to this 2nd group in my personal opinion.if that makes any sense!  |
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Post by Mr. Orange on Jan 31, 2013 16:26:21 GMT -5
I think what he may mean is that Triple H was never a great TECHNICIAN in the ring. I can't think of many technical wrestling masterpieces the guy had. All his big, really good matches were all some kind of gimmick or "Attitude Era" brawls.
As far as being the top guy, he worked with the guy that drew the money. Triple H as himself I don't think was ever a mega draw. He did good, but was never that "next level" guy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2013 16:37:14 GMT -5
Bret Hart has never 'wowed' me. I can appreciate that he was a very decent wrestler and deserves the legend status that he has. However, I wouldn't say he's in a position to criticise a guy like Trips. I'd say they're on a par with one another.
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Post by Dan on Jan 31, 2013 17:19:10 GMT -5
Slightly harsh. He was pretty badass in his prime and knows how to get the best out of his opponent. He's great to people who have been in the Ring with him, because he's good at making them look good.
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Post by Dan88 on Jan 31, 2013 18:22:20 GMT -5
Gotta disagree with Bret, Triple H has had great matches. His run from 00'-01' is one of the best in wrestling i've personally ever seen also, he was on fire.
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Post by Arthur Speaks on Jan 31, 2013 21:32:31 GMT -5
As venerated a legend and as technically sound as Hart was, I have to disagree on some points. Triple H had some great matches, like the No-Holds-Barred one with Undertaker at WrestleMania XXVII. But in the end, there will never be anything about Triple H that sets himself apart from other wrestlers. Being around the right guys at the right time really helped elevate him to the level he is now. If Austin, Rock, Undertaker and Foley weren't there, Triple H would've carved out a simple midcard career and nothing more.
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Post by marino13 on Jan 31, 2013 21:54:07 GMT -5
I mean I love Bret and all, but that chip on his shoulder does comes across as bitter at times. Cause for some odd reason he can never give an interview with out tarnishing Flair, McMahon, Hogan, Triple H or HBK. And the worst part is most of his complaints against them can be said for him as well.
Personally I'd love for him to focus on his own great career without trying to trash others. There's just no need for it really.
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Post by MizTV on Jan 31, 2013 21:58:45 GMT -5
If it was anyone besides HHH to marry Stephanie things would be different for his career
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Post by jeffro2000 on Jan 31, 2013 22:08:17 GMT -5
I agree that HHH is probably not an all-time top of the ladder great, but he was very good as many of you have pointed out.
He had some great matches such as the SS with Rock, and some with Foley and HBK. As stated, he was an excellent story teller in the ring, and his matches entertained. His style was often to beat the crap out of you. He wasn't a technician, but that's okay.
Take his WM match with Orton, I expected a no holds barred match like the RR match with Foley with HHH beating the hell out of Orton at times. That would have been great, but we didn't get that and that's why the match was so poor.
Just never know what Bret will say these days, sometimes he makes sense, and sometimes he doesn't. I understand where he is coming from here slightly disagree though. Also, Hunter is great on the mic and cuts great promos without catch phrases and crap. Always been great at getting heat, or building a match up.
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Post by grandmasterPRA on Jan 31, 2013 23:28:46 GMT -5
Have to agree with Bret on one thing...Triple H's latest "end of an era" match was horrible in my opinion. If it wasn't for Shawn Michaels doing an amazing job selling the story, that match was nothing but chairshot after chairshot after chairshot....followed by finishing move after finishing move after finishing move. And then basically both men kicking out of everything. It was an entire match full of cheap pops by kicking out of big moves. However...Triple H has had plenty of great matched in his career. Like the ones that people have been naming off. And when he first turned heel he was one of the better heels that I can remember in my days watching wrestling. So I think Bret was only half right on all of this
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Post by lordworm on Jan 31, 2013 23:36:00 GMT -5
My biggest issue with trips is his over inflated title count.
Growing up guys like Flair and Hogan dominated the 80s and early 90s to reach around 13 titles, guys like Sting and Bret weren't too far behind. In seemingly a few years trips caught up and I have a hard time excepting it.
Then again it was a different era and let's not forget its scripted.
Bret has always been in my top 3 and trips in my bottom 3 along with the asschap kid.
The worst!
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Post by Nash on Jan 31, 2013 23:39:03 GMT -5
Ignorant. He's had plenty of great matches. I'm not a big Triple H fan, but the guy has had great matches. To say he hasn't had ONE great match is a joke. Exactly what I was thinking. Bret is losing credibility in my eyes actually by even saying this. |
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