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Post by Chris Hammers on Jan 31, 2013 10:07:09 GMT -5
You would have figured his opinion would be different, now that they're all friendly. Brutally honest, I suppose.
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on Jan 31, 2013 10:19:20 GMT -5
HHH is a damn solid wrestler but honestly was ever anything more than that? Nothing shocking in this video imo.
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Post by Mirror Images on Jan 31, 2013 10:34:24 GMT -5
I think Triple has benifited from being in the right place at the right time.
Attitude era; DX, then singles title runs in the early 2000's. He is a good solid wrestler but I understand what Bret means when he says hes never really done anything thats never been seen before or different.
Guys like The Rock Undertaker Mick Foley and Steve Austin made Triples Hs career for him not the other way around. If he didnt havethose people to wrestle against he wouldnt be the star he is/was
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Post by Lewscher on Jan 31, 2013 10:37:42 GMT -5
I think Triple has benifited from being in the right place at the right time. Attitude era; DX, then singles title runs in the early 2000's. He is a good solid wrestler but I understand what Bret means when he says hes never really done anything thats never been seen before or different. Guys like The Rock Undertaker Mick Foley and Steve Austin made Triples Hs career for him not the other way around. If he had had those people to wrestle against he wouldnt be the star he is/was
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2013 10:54:48 GMT -5
The term "great" is pretty subjective when it comes to professional wrestling, but triple h is definitely solid, he can get it done in the ring. He may have gotten a lot further because of the people he was working with & having the right friends & being in the right place at the right time...I don't consider him to be a top notch all time great up there with austin, rock, undertaker, hbk, etc, but he's in the ballpark at least.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2013 10:58:20 GMT -5
Triple H has a great look, and has always been able to carry himself in a match.
But Bret is completely right, he's nothing special in the ring and his matches are always predictable.
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Post by Infinite on Jan 31, 2013 11:05:20 GMT -5
I can honestly say that in my view that WM 28 match from what I remember is one of the greatest matches I've ever seen, possibly better than any Bret Hart match I've seen too. I kinda see what he's saying with the point about innovation though.
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Post by Duke Silver on Jan 31, 2013 11:15:07 GMT -5
I'm not the biggest Triple H fan, but even I think that's a bit too harsh to say that he never had a great match.
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Post by johnnyaustin21 on Jan 31, 2013 11:17:45 GMT -5
Hold on their,Triple H has never had a "Great Match" and also isn't and all time great.I love Bret Hart but he's total wrong and need to GTFO with that.Here's just a list of great Triple H matches off the top of my head.
The Rock .Vs Triple H-IC Title-Ladder Match-SummerSlam '98
Triple H .Vs Cactus Jack-WWF Title-Street Fight-Royal Rumble 2000
Triple H .Vs Chris Jericho-Last Man Standing-Fully Loaded 2000
Triple H .Vs Stone Cold Steve Austin-3 Stages of Hell-No Way Out '01
Triple H .Vs Shawn Michaels-SummerSlam '02
Batista .Vs Triple H-World Title-Hell in the Cell-Vengeance '05
Triple H .Vs Ric Flair-Last Man Standing-Survivor Series '05
John Cena .Vs Triple H-WWE Title-Wrestlemania 22
Triple H .Vs Jeff Hardy-WWE Title-No Mercy '08
Triple H .Vs Undertaker-Hell in the Cell-"End of and Era"-Wrestlemania XXVIII
Now you can say that a lot of his great matches were "Gimmicky" but so were other all time great wrestlers like Foley,Funk....ect plus keep in mind that once Triple H really got going as a main event act in the very late 90's and 00's that the hole main stream wrestling promotions moved away from the stricky mat based wrestle which Bret Hart did in the previous era and more into the gimmicky hardcore stuff.
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Jan 31, 2013 11:39:28 GMT -5
I think it depends what kind of wrestling you're into... Personally I dont like the technical/submission stuff, I'd rather see a brawl, two guys punching each other in the face, as opposed to 2 guys putting each other in submission holds.
This may make me a little biased when it comes to saying who's got/had it and who hasn't, I dont know who's great and who's not its all based on opinion, I mean a guy can be a great wrestler but a total bunghole which I think levels how great he is.
I do think that triple H has had a few great matches. Especially from around 2000 - 2005 minus anything he had to do with Goldberg and Scott Steiner. His stuff with HBK was brilliant.
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Post by K5 on Jan 31, 2013 11:46:57 GMT -5
those matches were good at best. ↑
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Post by Trypod on Jan 31, 2013 11:54:03 GMT -5
I think I see where he's coming from, but I don't necessarily agree. Triple H's matches may not have been great in terms of being a technical masterpiece, but I don't think that's the only criteria needed for a "great" match. I think Triple H's best ability was story telling, but not just on the mic and in hyping a match but actually in the ring. Triple H's best matches are steeped in drama and emotion, even without a back story: Shawn Michaels, The Undertaker, and Mick Foley. If you were to sit down and watch some of those matches without even being aware of the angle or history involved, you'd still get a sense of story; you wouldn't just be watching two guys wrestle in the spirit of competition. There's something there that pulls you in and I personally think that was Triple H's best ability. He makes you emote and care about what's going on which is a pretty important factor in pro wrestling. That's not to say pure technical wrestling can't do that, but I'm just saying that Triple H definitely has an ability that makes him stand out on his own. Without it I think I would be more inclined to agree with Bret.
Taking into consideration the storytelling, drama, emotion, technical ability and every other factor that makes an all around great match, the one I think I remember most is his World Title match with Shawn Michaels on (I think) the last RAW of 2004. I've never been a big HBK fan and the last thing I wanted to see was him win the title, but sure enough halfway through the match I was rooting for HBK and I truly thought he was walking out with the title.
So I think Triple H has definitely had some great matches in his career, but it just depends on what you consider great and what criteria you include for what makes a truly great match, I guess.
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Post by terraryzing on Jan 31, 2013 12:39:05 GMT -5
Where can the rest of this interview be seen?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2013 13:05:19 GMT -5
Bret Hart is completely right.
Triple H has NO legacy and will NEVER be considered one of the top "workers" of all time.
He's good but certainly not great. His promos were average and his matches are even more average.
I'm with Bret here. Triple H is one of the most overrated performers of all time.
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Post by The Undertaker on Jan 31, 2013 13:24:32 GMT -5
Ignorant. He's had plenty of great matches. I'm not a big Triple H fan, but the guy has had great matches. To say he hasn't had ONE great match is a joke.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2013 13:39:53 GMT -5
Truth hurts...Bret Hart and Undertaker can say whatever they want, those guys were always the backbone of WWE and they never conformed to cliques or politics. They truly are the "Hart & Soul" of WWE, and that's coming from a Shawn Michaels mark. Triple H is passionate about wrestling and is one of the best stars in WWE history, but he was never elite in my eyes. He kinda had good luck as far as being in the right place at the right time, and of course he rubbed shoulders with all the higher ups in WWE to get to the top.
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Post by HHH316 on Jan 31, 2013 13:42:31 GMT -5
As big of a Triple H fan as I am, I don't disagree much with what Bret said. I think he has been very, very good, but I don't think I'd call him great. The one objection I have with Bret is that he'd give the HHH/Taker HIAC match a 3 or 4/10. That's just not right.
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Post by King Richius on Jan 31, 2013 14:20:15 GMT -5
The one objection I have with Bret is that he'd give the HHH/Taker HIAC match a 3 or 4/10. That's just not right. Watch that match with the sound off and pretend it is happening in 2005. Then it doesn't look so good. The match was predictable and boring, just as Bret said. Its only after you add in the "End of an Era" hype machine and JR's announcing that punch kick chair shot repeat becomes a "great" match. I do think HHH has had a few great matches but WM 28 was not one of them. The three stages of hell vs Austin and HIAC versus HBK stand out in my memory.
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Post by kazoosandstreamers on Jan 31, 2013 14:24:40 GMT -5
Well, he's right.
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Post by wabarrett on Jan 31, 2013 14:58:23 GMT -5
I agree that Triple H is (a little) overrated and far from the best performer out there... but no great matches? Never heard such such crap.
Even if Bret had said this 13 years ago (still fairly early in his career) you'd all have been saying what a load of BS, so how it has become true after a long and storied career I have no clue; those matches with Foley, the Triple Threat at WrestleMania XX, his 3 Stages of Hell against Austin, and Michaels, many of his matches against Michaels actually, vs. Undertaker, vs. Jericho, etc. etc.
Sorry but anyone who is denying that is damn crazy. Not the most technically sound or innovative, I agree, but a solid wrestler who's has had countless classics. And years ago many of you would have agreed. Nowadays it's the in thing to hate on Triple H, so it's no surprise.
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