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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2013 17:31:02 GMT -5
The invasion angle has to go down as the biggest missed opportunity that Vince ever had. DDP, Booker T, Buff, RVD, should have been leading WCW, not Steve Austin ffs. Why the hell didn't Vince pick up guys like Rick Steiner, Stevie Ray, Lex Luger, Randy Savage, Vader and Mr Perfect in 01 to add a genuine bulk of actual stars to the Invasion, rather than guys like Shane Helms.? I think Scott Steiner was one of the guys who Vince couldn't sign right away is that right? When Helms became Hurricane he was more over than Stevie Ray was his whole career. True, but he wasn't a big name from WCW. He was as much a WWE made star as Steve Austin or Diesel.
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Post by Attitude Tom on Feb 7, 2013 19:18:45 GMT -5
I know everyone hates the invasion storyline, but at one point it was probably my favorite storyline ever. But, of course when I watched it I was really little.
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Post by marino13 on Feb 7, 2013 19:46:43 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the original plan to air both WWE & wCw on different networks? And wasn't there tons of wCw stars who had contracts through Time Warner so they could sit at home and make more money than if they would have signed a WWE deal?
Cause if so then I'd say WWE did the best they could do with what they had available. I mean Vince wasn't about to have Meat defeat Angle or Chavo defeat Rock, so they threw Austin in there to make em look more legit. Was it the best idea? Nope, but it worked at the time.
Sure in a perfect world they would have had Hogan, Hall, Nash, Flair, Luger, Savage, Goldberg, Sting, Hennig, & the Steiners all join simultaneously to even the playing field. But that was out of their hands and is no fault of their own.
So for what they had to work with, I'd say it was passable.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2013 21:16:12 GMT -5
Kevin Nash said in a shoot that he chose to stay home and keep collecting fat money each week for a year, then signing off early to go to the WWE and work matches.
So yes, a lot of them just sat back and got paid for nothing. Where guys like DDP and Booker T chose to sign off and go to the WWE early.
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Post by inkboy83 on Feb 7, 2013 21:46:11 GMT -5
There was a complete lack of respect shown to any of the big name ECW and WCW wrestlers. The invasion team should have included DDP and Tazz instead of turncoat WWE stars. I remember many things about the invasion angle just being bad like Tazz, a guy who had spent the last seven years being an in your face bad ass suddenly becoming a meek and timid coward when confronted by Steve Austin. It was so completely out of character for Tazz and was a big ole bitch slap to every ECW fan. In the end, a potentially great opportunity was wasted by the WWE merely to push another Rock/Austin feud. Bingo
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Post by cordless2016 on Feb 8, 2013 14:54:26 GMT -5
I remember being pissed every week at how stupid the storyline was. The fact that Booker T and DDP were treated like jobbers turned me off of the WWF for a bit.
I have said it before and I'll say it again...this storyline could have worked w/ the guys Vince had. I would have kept Austin as the paranoid heel, but he wouldn't have been on either team since it fit w/ his "DTA" persona. That way the awsome Angle/Austin matches would have still taken place. Instead of Austin turing on the WWF, it should have been Jericho and Big Show since it made sense. Booker T and DDP should have been treated as the top guys they were, and with RVD thrown in there to, thats five top guys right there. Jeff Jarrett's contract was apart of the WCW package, so he could have been another top name. Mike Awsome could have been built back up to his ECW status as well.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Feb 8, 2013 14:57:55 GMT -5
Looking back it was a disaster, the potential that could have been the invasion angle. I always wonder what would have happened if the entire WCW talent pool had been available and willing to work from the off set, or if they had perhaps pushed the invasion angle back into 2002 or 2003 so they would have had Hogan, Hall, Nash, Steiner and Goldberg to add into the mix. Still I was 11 when this angle occured and at the time I loved it! I remember watching Survivor Series and legitimately thinking WCW could win!As bad as it was, I still look back on it with fond memories, then get sad over how epic it could have potentially been. This. As a kid I thought it was the biggest storyline ever. As an adult I see the missed possiblities, but its still remembered fondly by me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2013 15:08:06 GMT -5
I remember being pissed every week at how stupid the storyline was. The fact that Booker T and DDP were treated like jobbers turned me off of the WWF for a bit. I have said it before and I'll say it again...this storyline could have worked w/ the guys Vince had. I would have kept Austin as the paranoid heel, but he wouldn't have been on either team since it fit w/ his "DTA" persona. That way the awsome Angle/Austin matches would have still taken place. Instead of Austin turing on the WWF, it should have been Jericho and Big Show since it made sense. Booker T and DDP should have been treated as the top guys they were, and with RVD thrown in there to, thats five top guys right there. Jeff Jarrett's contract was apart of the WCW package, so he could have been another top name. Mike Awsome could have been built back up to his ECW status as well. You are right. They also shouldn't have been so quick as to discard Kronik, either.
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Post by Jericho Is God!™ on Feb 8, 2013 15:10:42 GMT -5
When you look back at it now we can all see what great things WWE missed out on doing how this whole story 'could' of changed the way wrestling is today if it lasted long think of what could of happened, but back then in 2001 a lot of us was young I know I was 11 and I never knew about WCW nor ECW until then and having them invade WWE I was shocked how can they do this and to me it was just great the best thing I had ever seen at that time.
We can all look back now older and wiser and say yes they did F-up in places with it all but back then unless you was in your later 20's or whatever and sitting there bitching about how they was running it and looking on dirtsheets about who wouldn't sign etc. it I say it was one of the best moments after the whole attitude era.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2013 15:17:25 GMT -5
Kronik ed themselves up AF. they were out of shape when they returned and were asked to go to OVW to annihilate some folks down there for 3 months to get back in ring shape. both men were tight with UT and would have been used correctly when they returned.....instead both took it as a personal insult.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2013 15:23:37 GMT -5
Kronik ed themselves up AF. they were out of shape when they returned and were asked to go to OVW to annihilate some folks down there for 3 months to get back in ring shape. both men were tight with UT and would have been used correctly when they returned.....instead both took it as a personal insult. Yeah, it's a shame they didn't just go to OVW. Still didn't need to fire them over it though.
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Post by cordless2016 on Feb 8, 2013 20:17:21 GMT -5
I was 12 at the time and remember being frustrated that top guys like DDP and Booker T kept getting destroyed every week. Even back then I was confused by the storyline.
Some of you guys may have enjoyed it, but the majority of wrestling fans hated it, as evidence by the fact that ratings plumeted during the Alliance storyline.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2013 20:41:51 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2013 7:59:49 GMT -5
I hated it back then too........and yeah the ratings went through the floor before Summerslam.people got fed up of it quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2013 8:00:46 GMT -5
Kronik ed themselves up AF. they were out of shape when they returned and were asked to go to OVW to annihilate some folks down there for 3 months to get back in ring shape. both men were tight with UT and would have been used correctly when they returned.....instead both took it as a personal insult. Yeah, it's a shame they didn't just go to OVW. Still didn't need to fire them over it though. yeah maybe sacking them was a bit much.
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Post by Yeezy's Mullet: Team X Blades on Feb 11, 2013 8:18:18 GMT -5
I was 12 at the time and remember being frustrated that top guys like DDP and Booker T kept getting destroyed every week. Even back then I was confused by the storyline. Some of you guys may have enjoyed it, but the majority of wrestling fans hated it, as evidence by the fact that ratings plumeted during the Alliance storyline. Meh, that really means nothing to me. I was 13 when this angle took place, and I'm not gonna sit here and act like I was as aware of wrestling beyond Kayfabe as I am now. Not saying that some of you weren't but c'mon. As a 13 year old wrestling fan, I wasn't aware of or concerned about things like "pushes" or who's "getting used" or who's "jobbing". To me it was WWF vs WCW with guys who'd defected. Can I look back at it now and pick it apart at 24 years old? Of course. Who can't. But I appreciate it for the memories and feelings it gave me as a young fan. And the ratings may have plummeted, the crowd in Greensboro, NC that night was all about that sh**. The ending made for a great moment.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2013 8:30:12 GMT -5
Yeah, it's a shame they didn't just go to OVW. Still didn't need to fire them over it though. yeah maybe sacking them was a bit much. According to Wiki: "Both men were accosted by the Undertaker in the locker room after the match for their lackluster performance. Clark was then released from his WWF contract, and Adams was sent to the then WWF developmental territory Heartland Wrestling Association in Cincinnati, Ohio where he performed until he, too, was released from his WWF contract in November 2001." Seems strange, the alliance could have used them, considering how they were quite a big deal as Kronik in the wcw at the time. I still hate the way Buff got sacked; I read that it was because he wore his Pimp hat after they told him not to. Especially after he'd shown some good faith by accepting a buy-out of his AOL contract. Vince had it out from the start to make WCW look like crap. He certainly got his wish. He sacrificed millions just to appease his ego.
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Post by cordless2016 on Feb 11, 2013 15:17:29 GMT -5
Again having been a huge fan of both companies, I knew something was up when Booker and DDP kept getting destroyed every week when they were top guys in WCW. I was never much of an ECW fan so them joing the fight didn't intrigue me much besides for RVD. I had seen some of his ECW stuff and knew at the time he'd be great. But the overall stroyline sucked, even for me at 12. I remember being pissed and wondering why DDP and Kanyon wern't fighting back against Taker and Kane at SummerSlam. Today its remembered as one of the biggest burrials from that time.
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Post by glenanncam on Feb 11, 2013 15:52:39 GMT -5
As a kid, I loved the Invasion angle. Looking back I can see how much better WWE could have made it, but it still holds a special place in my wrestling fandom.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2013 7:31:17 GMT -5
yeah maybe sacking them was a bit much. According to Wiki: "Both men were accosted by the Undertaker in the locker room after the match for their lackluster performance. Clark was then released from his WWF contract, and Adams was sent to the then WWF developmental territory Heartland Wrestling Association in Cincinnati, Ohio where he performed until he, too, was released from his WWF contract in November 2001." Seems strange, the alliance could have used them, considering how they were quite a big deal as Kronik in the wcw at the time. I still hate the way Buff got sacked; I read that it was because he wore his Pimp hat after they told him not to. Especially after he'd shown some good faith by accepting a buy-out of his AOL contract. Vince had it out from the start to make WCW look like crap. He certainly got his wish. He sacrificed millions just to appease his ego. now that is nuts.I knew UT had a barney with them both over it because he pushed for them and was felt let down by their general lack of enthusiasm. however I was fully sure they were sent to developmental as a team.OVW was just assumption on my part mind you....... I guess it was just the loaded roster that contributed to this?they had no time for guys they thought werent gonna pull their weight when they had so many people on the roster and a good few more comin in during 2002? interesting though.
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