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Feb 13, 2013 12:53:27 GMT -5
Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Feb 13, 2013 12:53:27 GMT -5
When something goes right, its the talent, and they should be praised. When something goes wrong, its the booking, and they should get fired. This was a theory put forward by Bischoff in his book, where he argues that bookers never get any credit, only sh*t, regardless of how well they do; I'm sure others have said it too. I have to agree, and feel it kinda typifies a lot of people's reactions on here.
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Feb 13, 2013 12:59:56 GMT -5
Post by The Undertaker on Feb 13, 2013 12:59:56 GMT -5
Sounds about right to me. I agree with that. I've seen so much talk about how WWE will mess up angles, but no talk of lackluster performances from any of the actual people who's job it is to execute the angle, the superstars.
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Feb 13, 2013 13:33:15 GMT -5
Post by Gazza on Feb 13, 2013 13:33:15 GMT -5
It's 100% True. So many internet fans, not just on here are constantly moaning the booking is bad. The same people need to learn that just because they don't like it doesn't mean it's bad booking.
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Feb 13, 2013 13:35:36 GMT -5
Post by Elliot on Feb 13, 2013 13:35:36 GMT -5
A vast majority of WF seem to disagree, because apparently it's John Cena's fault that he wins all the time and gets pushes.
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Feb 13, 2013 13:40:16 GMT -5
Post by J12 on Feb 13, 2013 13:40:16 GMT -5
I think that's the case for a lot of people, but I've never felt that way. I'm a writer, so that's always the first thing on my mind. I feel like I always give proper credit to the writing team when they do something well.
I also understand that a lot of the time, they're probably as frustrated as we are with the stuff that they're doing. The writers have the shoulder all the blame for things that go poorly, but Vince McMahon has so much creative control that I'm sure a lot of great stuff completely gets lost in translation or flat our shot down between the writers, to Vince, to ultimately what we see on TV.
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Feb 14, 2013 22:11:41 GMT -5
Post by Irish Wrestling Entertainment on Feb 14, 2013 22:11:41 GMT -5
I think that's the case for a lot of people, but I've never felt that way. I'm a writer, so that's always the first thing on my mind. I feel like I always give proper credit to the writing team when they do something well. I also understand that a lot of the time, they're probably as frustrated as we are with the stuff that they're doing. The writers have the shoulder all the blame for things that go poorly, but Vince McMahon has so much creative control that I'm sure a lot of great stuff completely gets lost in translation or flat our shot down between the writers, to Vince, to ultimately what we see on TV. This is a good insight. Obviously, this opinion will quickly become the new fad to bring down people who criticise booking decisions but I've never hesitated to praise the writing team when they do something good a la The Shield or Nexus but the latter died a painful death. Tell me one member of the Nexus that is now doing things of note except Wade (don't include Bryan - he appeared once). Why can't the Nexus still be around today? It's not the fans fault. The recent track record of WWE creative hasn't instilled me with a lot of faith in then, but when they pull a rabbit out of the hat, I praise them, no question.
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Feb 14, 2013 22:20:48 GMT -5
Post by Midnight on Feb 14, 2013 22:20:48 GMT -5
Yeah i agree it shouldn't be like that, both sides should get credit, but sadly i don't think that will ever change.
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Feb 14, 2013 22:30:34 GMT -5
Post by slappy on Feb 14, 2013 22:30:34 GMT -5
Sometimes it is the writing team's fault for things like not pushing a guy or furthering a crappy angle/storyline.
Though there are times when they can give the wrestlers something good and the wrestler messes it up. Especially if the wrestler is supposed to speak/act when they can't.
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Feb 14, 2013 23:05:25 GMT -5
Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Feb 14, 2013 23:05:25 GMT -5
I would say its sometimes the writers fault for things. Look at Ryder. Guy was over as all hell which was all the talent on that and the writers killed everything he had. Sometimes the talent gets over and the writers just change directions with the whole story and send it no where. The Nexus rings a bell on that one.
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Feb 14, 2013 23:15:08 GMT -5
Post by Mr. PerpetuaLynch Motion on Feb 14, 2013 23:15:08 GMT -5
I think that's the case for a lot of people, but I've never felt that way. I'm a writer, so that's always the first thing on my mind. I feel like I always give proper credit to the writing team when they do something well. I also understand that a lot of the time, they're probably as frustrated as we are with the stuff that they're doing. The writers have the shoulder all the blame for things that go poorly, but Vince McMahon has so much creative control that I'm sure a lot of great stuff completely gets lost in translation or flat our shot down between the writers, to Vince, to ultimately what we see on TV. Tell me one member of the Nexus that is now doing things of note except Wade (don't include Bryan - he appeared once). Ryback? Anyways, I do agree that the writers catch waaaaay more flak than they deserve.
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Feb 14, 2013 23:29:07 GMT -5
Post by k5 on Feb 14, 2013 23:29:07 GMT -5
maybe by some...overall angles and a wrestler's performance in them are two seperate things that rely on one another.
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Feb 14, 2013 23:35:38 GMT -5
Post by J12 on Feb 14, 2013 23:35:38 GMT -5
If you ever want to hear some really incredible insight as to what it's like, and how frustrating it can be to work on the WWE creative team, I can't recommend Dave Lagana's I Want Wrestling podcasts enough. He's a TNA guy now so he doesn't do that kind of stuff much anymore, but its short lived run really was incredible.
He gives a lot of insight as to just how much comes down to Vince just flat out always having things his way. The creative team is frequently aware of plot holes, blown opportunities, and guys that are flying under the radar, but if it's not what Vince wants, it simply doesn't happen.
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Post by Brad on Feb 15, 2013 1:07:39 GMT -5
If you ever want to hear some really incredible insight as to what it's like, and how frustrating it can be to work on the WWE creative team, I can't recommend Dave Lagana's I Want Wrestling podcasts enough. He's a TNA guy now so he doesn't do that kind of stuff much anymore, but its short lived run really was incredible. He gives a lot of insight as to just how much comes down to Vince just flat out always having things his way. The creative team is frequently aware of plot holes, blown opportunities, and guys that are flying under the radar, but if it's not what Vince wants, it simply doesn't happen. Ill be glad when Vince has no control anymore honestly. I hate to say that because I love so much he's done but he's so out of touch now
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Feb 15, 2013 10:12:17 GMT -5
Post by McBlake on Feb 15, 2013 10:12:17 GMT -5
If that was always true, the hate for The Rock on here wouldn't be so high and the bookers would probably be dead by now though.
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Feb 15, 2013 12:41:40 GMT -5
Post by Joe/Smurf on Feb 15, 2013 12:41:40 GMT -5
It's not the match quality that's suffering right now, it's the ridiculous nonsensical booking.
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Feb 15, 2013 14:41:01 GMT -5
Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Feb 15, 2013 14:41:01 GMT -5
Bloody love this discussion & have WAY too much to say on the subject.
To summarize. Unless you're in the company, you have no clue who messed up what, whether the writers executed a bad idea, or the wrestlers failed to deliver. None of us know.
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Feb 15, 2013 15:03:04 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2013 15:03:04 GMT -5
I think that's the case for a lot of people, but I've never felt that way. I'm a writer, so that's always the first thing on my mind. I feel like I always give proper credit to the writing team when they do something well. I also understand that a lot of the time, they're probably as frustrated as we are with the stuff that they're doing. The writers have the shoulder all the blame for things that go poorly, but Vince McMahon has so much creative control that I'm sure a lot of great stuff completely gets lost in translation or flat our shot down between the writers, to Vince, to ultimately what we see on TV. This is a good insight. Obviously, this opinion will quickly become the new fad to bring down people who criticise booking decisions but I've never hesitated to praise the writing team when they do something good a la The Shield or Nexus but the latter died a painful death. Tell me one member of the Nexus that is now doing things of note except Wade (don't include Bryan - he appeared once). Why can't the Nexus still be around today? It's not the fans fault. The recent track record of WWE creative hasn't instilled me with a lot of faith in then, but when they pull a rabbit out of the hat, I praise them, no question. agreed......two great posts.
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