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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Feb 20, 2013 17:26:41 GMT -5
Would Austin's heel turn have worked if the Invasion didn't happen?
I think it definitely could've. It was such a shocking ending to WMX7, and the Two Man Power Trip was pretty cool (I despised them as a kid).I think it could've been good before a face turn the following WM or something like that.
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Post by k5 on Feb 20, 2013 17:55:41 GMT -5
no. hated the heel turn, was not at the right time and never felt it was a good ending for wmx7 nor the match itself.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2013 18:11:37 GMT -5
It was shocking at Wrestlemania 17, in that nobody seen it coming, but at the same time the fans were kind of left going "uh... what...?? So... Vince and Austin are together?? Yay!!! or... booo..?? uh... what??"
It wasn't believable.
I think they should have saved Austin's heel turn for Invasion.
He could have led the troops into that show and then turned on Angle and joined The Alliance.
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Post by Mr. Orange on Feb 20, 2013 18:12:21 GMT -5
No, nobody wanted to boo him, really. That's why it wouldn't have worked. Nobody hated him. Just look when he saved the WWF from the alliance before InVasion(on a Raw episode). MASSIVE pop. It's hard to boo Steve Austin and at that time, there was nobody who wanted to.
Plus it wasn't believable at all. How can Austin go from being a badass to singing songs, asking for hugs and being a coward within a short time frame. Just a total 180.
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Post by Arthur Speaks on Feb 20, 2013 18:14:30 GMT -5
No. He was over the moon at this point, and he was God-awful as a heel. How can anyone take him seriously when he whines about everything and kisses Vince's ass?
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Post by punksnotdead on Feb 20, 2013 18:16:36 GMT -5
Not really no. The Two-Man Power Trip was amazing imo. However, had the Invasion not happened, I think the natural thing would have been for Austin to turn back face and for Triple H to go back about his heel badassery. I would have had Austin be a full blown face by the time SummerSlam 2001 hit. I would have also had that been the blow-off of a series of 3 matches between Austin and Triple H. I then would have moved Austin right into a feud with heel Angle.
I think most people frown upon the heel turn from Mania 17. I get the shock value but it felt really unnatural for everything Austin stood for imo. Mania 17 is arguably the best Mania of all time and it really has a sh*t ending imo.
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Post by mikey1974 on Feb 20, 2013 19:06:26 GMT -5
there was a way to make him heel,but the way they did it was wrong.
have everything the same,even including WM X-Seven.
next night on Raw,a beaming Vince brings Austin out. as soon as the opportunity presents itself Austin stuns him. crowd cheers,but he doesn't say a word,just walks out.
next weeks Raw, JR attempts to interview Austin in the ring. another stunner. now the crowd is kinda hushed. Austin gets on the mic. he told everyone years ago he doesn't give a damn what anyone thinks. he doesn't know why they're cheering,cause they didn't help him do a damn thing! yeah,he allied himself with Vince. he said he'd do whatever it took to get the WWF Championship back. and he did. now that he has it back,Vince is out to the curb,doesn't need him anymore.doesn't need the fans anymore. sure he played up to them for all those years. it made his merchandise sales go through the roof,made him a hot and valuable commodity,therefore putting tons of money in his pocket. but he has enough now to not need to play the fans for their support anymore. doesn't need anyone. he's the Rattlesnake again. and now that he's the Champ that makes him the top dog,and ain't no one going to knock him down again!
then go back to the hyena-like character he was in 1996-1997. attacking people backstage. with chairs.with bats. bloody everyone possible. still beat up Lita. tell the fans to go to hell and flip them off directly. get himself DQ'ed and counted out to keep the Title. make being the Champion the ONLY thing that matters,and like a good heel he'll do whatever it takes to keep the belt.
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Post by Captain McKay on Feb 20, 2013 19:19:11 GMT -5
there was a way to make him heel,but the way they did it was wrong. have everything the same,even including WM X-Seven. next night on Raw,a beaming Vince brings Austin out. as soon as the opportunity presents itself Austin stuns him. crowd cheers,but he doesn't say a word,just walks out. next weeks Raw, JR attempts to interview Austin in the ring. another stunner. now the crowd is kinda hushed. Austin gets on the mic. he told everyone years ago he doesn't give a damn what anyone thinks. he doesn't know why they're cheering,cause they didn't help him do a damn thing! yeah,he allied himself with Vince. he said he'd do whatever it took to get the WWF Championship back. and he did. now that he has it back,Vince is out to the curb,doesn't need him anymore.doesn't need the fans anymore. sure he played up to them for all those years. it made his merchandise sales go through the roof,made him a hot and valuable commodity,therefore putting tons of money in his pocket. but he has enough now to not need to play the fans for their support anymore. doesn't need anyone. he's the Rattlesnake again. and now that he's the Champ that makes him the top dog,and ain't no one going to knock him down again! then go back to the hyena-like character he was in 1996-1997. attacking people backstage. with chairs.with bats. bloody everyone possible. still beat up Lita. tell the fans to go to hell and flip them off directly. get himself DQ'ed and counted out to keep the Title. make being the Champion the ONLY thing that matters,and like a good heel he'll do whatever it takes to keep the belt. I like it, but I feel it would go full circle, since that very same attitude and time period you mentioned made the fans love him in the first place. I'd be willing to bet it might have happened again. |
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Post by inkboy83 on Feb 20, 2013 19:22:16 GMT -5
I like this.... But I can still see fans loving him for this... This doesn't make him a full fledged heel...they would have to book him against faces though.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2013 19:22:58 GMT -5
No. It should have gone like how Austin said on his DVD. He wins the title the same way at X7, but then stuns Vince.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2013 13:15:21 GMT -5
no not a hope it was idiotic,shortsighted & horrific.not as bad as The Invasion turn which was booking insanity IMO.
the basic flaw of this plan was that they had to completely change what Austin was.......and what they turned him into stained the character FOREVER.
Vince celebrated winning the war by mutilating the character that helped him more than any other turning his fortunes around.
absolutely unforgivable & utterly detestable.
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Post by punksnotdead on Feb 21, 2013 15:06:08 GMT -5
there was a way to make him heel,but the way they did it was wrong. have everything the same,even including WM X-Seven. next night on Raw,a beaming Vince brings Austin out. as soon as the opportunity presents itself Austin stuns him. crowd cheers,but he doesn't say a word,just walks out. next weeks Raw, JR attempts to interview Austin in the ring. another stunner. now the crowd is kinda hushed. Austin gets on the mic. he told everyone years ago he doesn't give a damn what anyone thinks. he doesn't know why they're cheering,cause they didn't help him do a damn thing! yeah,he allied himself with Vince. he said he'd do whatever it took to get the WWF Championship back. and he did. now that he has it back,Vince is out to the curb,doesn't need him anymore.doesn't need the fans anymore. sure he played up to them for all those years. it made his merchandise sales go through the roof,made him a hot and valuable commodity,therefore putting tons of money in his pocket. but he has enough now to not need to play the fans for their support anymore. doesn't need anyone. he's the Rattlesnake again. and now that he's the Champ that makes him the top dog,and ain't no one going to knock him down again! then go back to the hyena-like character he was in 1996-1997. attacking people backstage. with chairs.with bats. bloody everyone possible. still beat up Lita. tell the fans to go to hell and flip them off directly. get himself DQ'ed and counted out to keep the Title. make being the Champion the ONLY thing that matters,and like a good heel he'll do whatever it takes to keep the belt. I like it, but I feel it would go full circle, since that very same attitude and time period you mentioned made the fans love him in the first place. I'd be willing to bet it might have happened again. Definitely true. I was cheering just from reading it haha. |
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Post by wabarrett on Feb 21, 2013 15:11:29 GMT -5
no not a hope it was idiotic,shortsighted & horrific.not as bad as The Invasion turn which was booking insanity IMO.
the basic flaw of this plan was that they had to completely change what Austin was.......and what they turned him into stained the character FOREVER. Vince celebrated winning the war by mutilating the character that helped him more than any other turning his fortunes around. absolutely unforgivable & utterly detestable. lol definitely. He was Heel. He walked out on Vince 'cause he couldn't be the 'old Stone Cold' anymore. He became 'the old Stone Cold' and came back and beat the s*** out of every WCW and ECW member. He lead WWF into Invasion. He turned his back on them and joined The Alliance (a bunch of guys he's been Stunning and battering with a pool cue a week or two previous). That was insane in itself, not even getting into the bad timing of it. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Feb 21, 2013 17:00:16 GMT -5
Never was gonna work. The fans did not want to boo him and him teaming w/ McHahon was against everything his character was built on. The idea behind his heel turn was that he would do whatever it took to win the title. Thats fine in theory, and they simply could have turned him back to his earlier "tweener" character where he attacked faces and heels. But teaming him w/ McMahon was the dumbest thing they could have ever done.
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Post by flea on Feb 21, 2013 17:03:46 GMT -5
The worse thing was how he represented WCW in the Invasion...
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Post by ztj_wwf on Feb 21, 2013 17:31:51 GMT -5
His heel turn was amazing and he was a perfect heel during the Two Man Power Trip, but when he started being a goof and singing songs and saying "what" it all went downhill. And joining forces with Vince was what made it so perfect. How could he do such a thing? It made for the perfect heel.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2013 19:26:18 GMT -5
The worse thing was how he represented WCW in the Invasion... Yeah the hugging and singing was funny but...sucked at the same time. |
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Post by Revy on Feb 22, 2013 17:07:35 GMT -5
there was a way to make him heel,but the way they did it was wrong. have everything the same,even including WM X-Seven. next night on Raw,a beaming Vince brings Austin out. as soon as the opportunity presents itself Austin stuns him. crowd cheers,but he doesn't say a word,just walks out. next weeks Raw, JR attempts to interview Austin in the ring. another stunner. now the crowd is kinda hushed. Austin gets on the mic. he told everyone years ago he doesn't give a damn what anyone thinks. he doesn't know why they're cheering,cause they didn't help him do a damn thing! yeah,he allied himself with Vince. he said he'd do whatever it took to get the WWF Championship back. and he did. now that he has it back,Vince is out to the curb,doesn't need him anymore.doesn't need the fans anymore. sure he played up to them for all those years. it made his merchandise sales go through the roof,made him a hot and valuable commodity,therefore putting tons of money in his pocket. but he has enough now to not need to play the fans for their support anymore. doesn't need anyone. he's the Rattlesnake again. and now that he's the Champ that makes him the top dog,and ain't no one going to knock him down again! then go back to the hyena-like character he was in 1996-1997. attacking people backstage. with chairs.with bats. bloody everyone possible. still beat up Lita. tell the fans to go to hell and flip them off directly. get himself DQ'ed and counted out to keep the Title. make being the Champion the ONLY thing that matters,and like a good heel he'll do whatever it takes to keep the belt. This would have been good. I still like the fact he aligned himself with HHH. Had Hunter not gotten hurt, it had potential to be so much more. Obviously, one of them would have turned Face and restarted that fued. Austin's character is one that has mostly been a tweener. He was like a heel that at the time is what everyone wanted to see and that's what made him popular. He did so many heel things, but the way he did them made him such a bad ass. Most heels do things in cowardly ways to get the faces over. I do think his HEEL character could have worked by doing things differently. |
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Post by cactusjackfan on Mar 29, 2013 12:40:37 GMT -5
They couldn't turN him heel people loved him too much
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Post by wyleecyotee on Mar 29, 2013 13:11:51 GMT -5
I like mikeys idea on this. I loved the heel turn, it really put the title on a pedestal for a man like Austin to side with Vince of all people just to win it from The Rock and I didnt mind him being aligned with Vince but as a lot of people mentioned he went from the ruthless SOB to singing and hugging and it was atrocious. I did enjoy him then though.  |
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