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Post by Flair Forever on Feb 28, 2013 17:13:33 GMT -5
Something bothers me about this, I'm not sure exactly what....
I mean, Mattel has the right to refuse to make any figure they want, it's their company...
But why blacklist someone because they have an addiction problem?
Also, I don't buy these things because I idolize the "actors" that portray them - I like the characters.... and Scott Hall's personal demons don't take away from the fact that he portrayed a memorable and significant wrestling character.
Razor Ramon (and, to a point, nWo Scott Hall) are also characters - and just because the man that performed under that name has an addiction issue doesn't make him any less signifcant or memorable.
Why does Mattel make Joker figures? The Joker kills people... creates havoc... terrorizes Gotham City. He's a bad man - but he's a character.
The issue to me is - would people buy it? I don't think people would buy a Chris Benoit figure at this stage (at least, I wouldn't). I would absolutely buy a Scott Hall figure.... he hasn't done anything (to my knowledge) bad enough to earn a boycott from me...
I understand not making a Benoit - but Scott Hall? C'mon.... let's hope DDP gets Hall back on track - I think if Mattel can make money from it, they'll eventually do it.
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Post by Joey Eches on Feb 28, 2013 17:31:22 GMT -5
Jake should have also been a no, as well as Von Erich, who killed himself. Also, how many current roster stars have been suspended for drug test failures? Eddie died of steroid overdose but we all still love him.... Just sayin No... he died of a heart failure, mind you it was linked to his previous drug use, but it was not a steroid overdose or any other sort of overdose for that matter. |
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Post by refbump on Feb 28, 2013 17:35:37 GMT -5
Yes Mattel said it isn't happening ever. Is Jim "The Anvil" Neidhart in the same boat/on the same list?? |
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Post by dmoney on Feb 28, 2013 17:57:34 GMT -5
Something bothers me about this, I'm not sure exactly what.... I mean, Mattel has the right to refuse to make any figure they want, it's their company... But why blacklist someone because they have an addiction problem? Also, I don't buy these things because I idolize the "actors" that portray them - I like the characters.... and Scott Hall's personal demons don't take away from the fact that he portrayed a memorable and significant wrestling character. Razor Ramon (and, to a point, nWo Scott Hall) are also characters - and just because the man that performed under that name has an addiction issue doesn't make him any less signifcant or memorable. Why does Mattel make Joker figures? The Joker kills people... creates havoc... terrorizes Gotham City. He's a bad man - but he's a character. The issue to me is - would people buy it? I don't think people would buy a Chris Benoit figure at this stage (at least, I wouldn't). I would absolutely buy a Scott Hall figure.... he hasn't done anything (to my knowledge) bad enough to earn a boycott from me... I understand not making a Benoit - but Scott Hall? C'mon.... let's hope DDP gets Hall back on track - I think if Mattel can make money from it, they'll eventually do it.  |
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Post by I AM CHONO! on Feb 28, 2013 18:01:02 GMT -5
I agree, if DDP is able to turn Scott Hall around. Him and Jake Roberts will become two of the most inspirational stories in wrestling in the past few years. WWE will most likely let it go. Otherwise it is never gonna happen. I hope DDP can do something with Tammy Sytch as well. |
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Post by Nivro™ on Feb 28, 2013 19:13:02 GMT -5
Everyone is clearly coming in and not reading the replies and just replying themselves. Hall isnt on the "black list" for his drug/addiction problem. He's on the black list because he admitted to killing a man. Although in self defense, he still killed him and the moment that was announced on ESPN, Mattel has stood firm in saying "no"
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Post by will83 on Feb 28, 2013 19:31:01 GMT -5
Everyone is clearly coming in and not reading the replies and just replying themselves. Hall isnt on the "black list" for his drug/addiction problem. He's on the black list because he admitted to killing a man. Although in self defense, he still killed him and the moment that was announced on ESPN, Mattel has stood firm in saying "no" Just so we are clear. So killing a man in self defense is a never for mattel. but serving almost a decade in prison for armed robbery and kidnapping (MVP) is ok... |
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Post by PJ on Feb 28, 2013 20:15:13 GMT -5
And whoever was comparing a comic book character to a real person is totally missing it. They aren't even close to being the same thing. Yes Mattel said it isn't happening ever. Is Jim "The Anvil" Neidhart in the same boat/on the same list?? It has nothing to do with drug abuse/addiction. He's not a porn star and he didn't kill anyone so he still has a chance to be made if he's signed to a legends contract. |
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Post by Razzerian on Mar 1, 2013 1:26:42 GMT -5
If substance abuse was the issue why the hall do we have two Jake Roberts figures? The man said in the documentary that he would trade indie bookings for crack Excellent question. Anyone know? He admitted in an E60 documentary that he killed a man in the early '80s before he ever got in to Wrestling when he was working as a bouncer at a club. |
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Post by Razzerian on Mar 1, 2013 1:29:53 GMT -5
Everyone is clearly coming in and not reading the replies and just replying themselves. Hall isnt on the "black list" for his drug/addiction problem. He's on the black list because he admitted to killing a man. Although in self defense, he still killed him and the moment that was announced on ESPN, Mattel has stood firm in saying "no" Just so we are clear. So killing a man in self defense is a never for mattel. but serving almost a decade in prison for armed robbery and kidnapping (MVP) is ok... First things first, I've been a fan of Scott Hall since the '90s and I'd love a figure of his. However, "self defence" is a relative term. I suggest you watch the link I posted. Judge for yourself... |
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Mar 1, 2013 2:14:28 GMT -5
Honestly i didn't even know he killed someone. I missed the documentary and really don't give a crap to be honest. How many people actually saw it?
And didn't Jimmy Snuka kill a person once or something?
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Post by spookytuesday on Mar 1, 2013 2:41:58 GMT -5
Honestly i didn't even know he killed someone. I missed the documentary and really don't give a crap to be honest. How many people actually saw it? And didn't Jimmy Snuka kill a person once or something? Yeah. I believe Snuka threw some chick off a hotel balcony and she ended up dying. I have no earthly idea how he got away with it. And I had forgotten all about the Hall killing somebody thing until it was mentioned here. Who knows how true that really is though. I know he said it himself, but still... |
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Post by NameRedacted™ on Mar 1, 2013 3:00:53 GMT -5
Honestly i didn't even know he killed someone. I missed the documentary and really don't give a crap to be honest. How many people actually saw it? And didn't Jimmy Snuka kill a person once or something? And I had forgotten all about the Hall killing somebody thing until it was mentioned here. Who knows how true that really is though. I know he said it himself, but still... No, Snuka didn't throw anybody off of a balcony. This is directly from the Snuka's wiki page. On May 10, 1983, a few hours after Snuka had performed at a WWF TV taping at the Lehigh County Agricultural Hall in Allentown, Pennsylvania, Snuka placed a call for an ambulance. When emergency personnel arrived on the scene at Room 427 of the George Washington Motor Lodge in nearby Whitehall Township, they found Snuka’s girlfriend, Nancy Argentino, injured. She was transported to Allentown's Sacred Heart Medical Center, where she died shortly after of "undetermined craniocerebral injuries." Deputy Lehigh County coroner Wayne Snyder said, “Upon viewing the body and speaking to the pathologist, I immediately suspected foul play and so notified the district attorney." Snuka was the only suspect involved in the subsequent investigation. Charges were not pressed against Snuka, although the case was left officially open, meaning no official judgment on whether the incident was accidental or homicide was ever made. In 1985, Argentino’s parents won a $500,000 default judgment against Snuka in U.S. District Court in Philadelphia, although Snuka appears not to have ever paid, claiming financial inability to do so.So since he was never officially pinned with it he is ok to be made in figure form. Back to Hall though. I personally would love a figure of him in his nWo garb or his Razor days and I hope DDP does set him back on the correct path in life. I have seen the E60 episode featuring Scott Hall and had heard rumors about him killing someone in self defence. Its a huge bummer that Mattel wont touch him at this point over this situation. I wonder what Mattel's stance was on a Hall figure before all this officially came out. |
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Post by King of Kings on Mar 1, 2013 3:25:47 GMT -5
The Great Khali killed a man. Where's his blacklist?!
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Post by NameRedacted™ on Mar 1, 2013 3:31:23 GMT -5
The Great Khali killed a man. Where's his blacklist?! As per the APW wiki page: APW suffered a wrongful death lawsuit to the family of APW Boot Camp trainee, Brian Ong. On May 28, 2001, Ong was training with fellow trainee Dalip Singh, despite suffering from an earlier concussion. Singh delivered a flapjack to Ong twice, with his head striking the mat and worsening his concussion. He was pronounced dead on arrival to a local hospital. Ong's family sued APW for reckless behavior. The case was filed in September 2002, and the trial was underway on June 10, 2005. After a three-week trial, on July 12, the jury voted unanimously in favor of the Ong family. APW was forced to pay $1.3 million to the Ong family.So, technically yes, Mr. Ong was training in the ring with Great Khali but it was APW that ignored his previous claims of injury that resulted in his death. APW was found guilty by a jury of its peers with the wrongful death charge costing them $1.3 Million. |
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Post by Razzerian on Mar 1, 2013 3:57:21 GMT -5
People should really learn not to go off on hearsay things and spread them as facts as we see in this topic. It's because of people like "you" that say "oh wel person X killed a guy, didn't he?". When you make such claims, please do make sure you're able to back that up with a somewhat credible source. (wikipedia mind you isn't the most credible of sources since anyone can edit it, though in these cases I doubt it's been tampered with.)
Scott Hall is an influential and popular individual in the wrestling business for the good part of the past two decades. He's controversial, but who isn't in this industry, honestly? However, it's understandable that a -- kids toy manufacturer -- does not want to be associated with porn stars and people who either have been convicter of murder/manslaugther or who have themselves openly admitted to commiting acts of such.
I mean, would you support a company that produces toys of... let's say a child molester? Or... a rapist?
One could say, who is a toy manufacturer that has produced their products in China for several decades to pass judgement on people. But that's not the discussion here.
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Post by Flair Forever on Mar 1, 2013 6:13:42 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I always thought (hoped) that what Hall was saying in the E60 piece was exaggerated, sort of Kayfabe for the documentary...
Is there actual record that he killed the guy, and the circumstances?
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Post by PJ on Mar 1, 2013 6:23:52 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I always thought (hoped) that what Hall was saying in the E60 piece was exaggerated, sort of Kayfabe for the documentary... Is there actual record that he killed the guy, and the circumstances? I'm sure there is. In this day and age I really doubt ESPN would air something in a documentary without checking out it's merits first. Why would they want to risk some sort of legal backlash if it wasn't legit? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2013 7:04:30 GMT -5
Would really love a razor ramone figure, also im glad DDP is helping him out. it was terrible seeing him in that state.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2013 7:31:42 GMT -5
its the publicly admitting killing a man in self defence that is holding the Hall figure back.its not the substance stuff or half the guys we got would be a no no.begs the question though.....why is Snuka ok?he was cleared but its all very suspect.
with Owen its Martha.simple as.thats never gonna change.its something that needs to be accepted TODAY.
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