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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 4:11:21 GMT -5
2007 was worse. I am actually enjoying Raw more than have done in years. Really? I thought we had some awesome moments in 2007. John Cena had a great year, MVP having a great title reign, Benoit/MVP feud, MVP/Hardy feud, a stable main event system, a decent women's division, those two great matches between Michaels and Cena, Batista actually having some decent matches, Mr. Kennedy shining through (although they dropped the ball), Randy Orton finally becoming a legit main eventer, guys like Cody Rhodes and Ted DiBiase pretty much starting the new generation of guys in the promotion, an awesome Jerciho/Michaels feud, CM Punk finally getting company recognition, King Booker, just to name a few. It truly was the last year of huge pay-per-views for me.
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Post by Falconsinclair on Mar 13, 2013 4:16:50 GMT -5
I think the WWE has completely forgotten what the second W in their names stands for "Wrestling" and they focus way to much on the E "Entertainment."
If they put more emphasis on the in ring product and gave us quality matches week in and week out then the WWE could rapidly turn this around. One thing that would go a LONG way to doing just that is actually have the commentators COMMENTATE ON THE DAMN ACTION going on in the ring, and calling the moves. I think this is the biggest reason JR doesn't do commentary on Raw anymore. He is an old school guy trying to do the job he is accustomed too in a new age world. I love his work on NXT where he actually calls the action in the ring ans uses personal facts to help put the guys in the ring over for the fans watching at home.
Everything begins and ends with the commentary and in ring product. I know the WWE has invested millions in websites like Tout and other and they feel the only way to get that money back is by getting the WWEUniverse to sign up for these sights as they probably get a large fraction of the advertising revenue these sites generate.
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Post by The Undertaker on Mar 13, 2013 4:23:11 GMT -5
Go look at the roster during 1995 and then come back and tell me this is the dark age.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 4:33:17 GMT -5
I think the WWE has completely forgotten what the second W in their names stands for "Wrestling" and they focus way to much on the E "Entertainment." If they put more emphasis on the in ring product and gave us quality matches week in and week out then the WWE could rapidly turn this around. One thing that would go a LONG way to doing just that is actually have the commentators COMMENTATE ON THE DAMN ACTION going on in the ring, and calling the moves. I think this is the biggest reason JR doesn't do commentary on Raw anymore. He is an old school guy trying to do the job he is accustomed too in a new age world. I love his work on NXT where he actually calls the action in the ring ans uses personal facts to help put the guys in the ring over for the fans watching at home. Everything begins and ends with the commentary and in ring product. I know the WWE has invested millions in websites like Tout and other and they feel the only way to get that money back is by getting the WWEUniverse to sign up for these sights as they probably get a large fraction of the advertising revenue these sites generate. Jim Ross calls NXT? Whelp, looks like NXT just made another viewer.
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Post by Falconsinclair on Mar 13, 2013 4:51:50 GMT -5
In all honesty Jim Ross only comes out to call the Main Events. But Regal and whoever else he works with are by far the best announce team the WWE has going right now
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 4:52:49 GMT -5
In all honesty Jim Ross only comes out to call the Main Events. But Regal and whoever else he works with are by far the best announce team the WWE has going right now Cheers for the heads up! I'm all excited now, I took a bit of a pro wrestling break and thought he quit the company entirely.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Mar 13, 2013 5:17:33 GMT -5
If they put more emphasis on the in ring product and gave us quality matches week in and week out then the WWE could rapidly turn this around. False. That's all they do, and that's the problem. That's why so few of the midcarders are over or have any momentum or connection with the audience. All they do is have these fifteen minute good matches that nobody cares about. Too much focus on "the in ring product" and "quality matches" instead of storylines and characters is the reason the shows are so bland. That's why they are in this mess.
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Mar 13, 2013 5:35:44 GMT -5
It pains me to say how boring I'm finding raw and smackdown, I havent even bothered with SD this week, which I havent done since I started watching wrestling.... I find that SmackDown is basically a Raw recap with Sandow vs Sheamus or some nonsensical match like that. and Raw is full of promo's and advertising twitter/tout and movies.
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Post by Brad on Mar 13, 2013 7:56:09 GMT -5
One thing that would go a LONG way to doing just that is actually have the commentators COMMENTATE ON THE DAMN ACTION going on in the ring, and calling the moves. I think this is the biggest reason JR doesn't do commentary on Raw anymore. He is an old school guy trying to do the job he is accustomed too in a new age world. I love his work on NXT where he actually calls the action in the ring ans uses personal facts to help put the guys in the ring over for the fans watching at home. Good God yes. Watch older wrestling and it becomes very apparent how bad commentary is today.
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Post by Irish Wrestling Entertainment on Mar 13, 2013 10:53:40 GMT -5
If they put more emphasis on the in ring product and gave us quality matches week in and week out then the WWE could rapidly turn this around. False. That's all they do, and that's the problem. That's why so few of the midcarders are over or have any momentum or connection with the audience. All they do is have these fifteen minute good matches that nobody cares about. Too much focus on "the in ring product" and "quality matches" instead of storylines and characters is the reason the shows are so bland. That's why they are in this mess. Whilst you are right, you're giving the WWE far too much credit. The matches are good because the wrestlers have talent. WWE don't fight the matches for them. Time and time again, the talent of the superstars is saving WWE PPVs. There is never any build, yet the PPV passes because the _____ match was incredible.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 11:20:54 GMT -5
I find myself struggling to get into the product.... in fact I'd say I have lost interest in most feuds/characters
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Post by Rated NC-17 on Mar 13, 2013 11:37:01 GMT -5
WWE is still better than the most boring sport ever, putting a ball into a basket.
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Post by WalterF on Mar 13, 2013 11:44:00 GMT -5
I enjoy it more now than ever.. been actively watching for 25 years.. I've been watching since the mid 90s and I think the current product is awesome. A stacked roster, I have WM fever and I think the wrestling product itself has been excellent for awhile now. In my opinion weve had PPV quality matches on Raw for weeks now; Punk . Cena, Ziggler v. D Bry, Punk v. Jericho, Jericho v. D Bry .... just excellent matches.
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Post by McBlake on Mar 13, 2013 11:46:53 GMT -5
Laughable.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 13:09:52 GMT -5
2010-2011 was much better years to watch wrestling
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 13:20:35 GMT -5
2010-2011 was much better years to watch wrestling I thought 2010 sucked tbh
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2013 13:31:17 GMT -5
A lot of good points have been made in this topic, but there's also been a lot of romanticising. 2005-2007 were without a doubt the darkest years in recent history, and since then we've had low points and high points. The build for Mania this year hasn't been as bad as some people around here are saying, nowhere near. Although the lack of build for the under-card is a massive problem thus far. I imagine that the writing team being stretched to write so much TV has caused the problems of character inconsistencies and the lack of original match-ups on Raw and SD.
What we need is consistent booking for the stars being pushed which, with the exception of Ryback, hasn't been happening. Barrett, Dolph, Bryan, Cesaro, Kofi and all the others need to be booked strong so we can get behind them. Strong doesn't mean that they win every match, it means competitive matches, decent mic time, and making sure that they're not fed to other guys on the roster for small story progressions - like Kofi on Raw with Henry for example.
The big stars have issues as well though. I rarely watch matches featuring Sheamus or Orton because they've made Sheamus a Cena-like clown who is unbearable, and Orton is in such desperate need for a heel turn that it drives me crazy. Orton hasn't had a proper headline feud since 2011 with Christian! Think about it.
So while we're not in a great state at the moment, I've still caught Wrestlemania fever and I can't deny I'm looking forward to it. As long as the matches deliver you won't have many complaints from me. Undertaker/Punk has the potential to be something special, Brock/Trips is surely gonna be better than their sluggish Summerslam match, and Rock/Cena is what it is - I won't criticise the angle because it's an example of long term booking, which is never a bad thing.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on Mar 13, 2013 13:41:23 GMT -5
It's not the worst wrestling has ever been.....but the lack of star power definitely makes it seem a little less important. Since 2010, WWE has either lost the following men completely due to retirement, or these men are essentially only used once or twice a year for matches:
Batista - Left WWE Shawn Michaels - Retired Edge - Retired due to injury Rey Mysterio - Has missed most of the last 2 years due to injury The Undertaker - Wrestles once a year Triple H - Wrestles only 2 or 3 matches a year
Now, WWE has re-gained the services of The Rock and Brock Lesnar, however, these men are only part time and only wrestle a couple of matches per year also.
So that's a massive amount of star power that WWE does NOT have for the majority of the year.
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Post by kimberlasskick on Mar 13, 2013 13:41:55 GMT -5
besides the main matches for WM17 that had a pretty lame build too. Benoit/Angle was thrown together a week before MANIA. That turned out pretty well.
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Post by BigShab421 on Mar 13, 2013 13:51:37 GMT -5
They just lack good, fresh and creative booking and storylines.
From Elimination Chamber to now, they literally threw away about 7 perfectly easy to book, intriguing fueds.
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