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Post by TheBadGuyChico on Mar 14, 2013 14:57:16 GMT -5
Let me start by saying i hate TNA, i've been wanting it to go down for years now. Mainly because i'm tired of great wrestlers being in the minors. Rob Van Dam is currently a free agent and i doubt WWE makes a play for him. Some of us are dying for more star power and everytime a TNA contract is up WWE doesn't make a play on their wrestlers. Why isn't this more like pro sports where rivals no each others expiring contracts etc.? Bobby Roode was just a free agent and WWE blew it. That dude has everything it takes to be a WWE star. He's more WWE than he is TNA imo. In the last year alone a ton of TNA contracts have been up only for WWE to fail to sign any of these guys. I know about the lawsuit, but who gives a flying . WWE should be talking all of the best talent in the wrestling world and there is a huge chunk in TNA. Thoughts?
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Post by Planktung on Mar 14, 2013 15:03:51 GMT -5
Because they're not interested? I know Triple H has made offers before to Roode and Storm, but they've both made it clear that their loyalty lies with TNA.
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Post by Spear Guy on Mar 14, 2013 15:03:55 GMT -5
I appreciated TNA back in the day and I still do. There are always fresh storylines coming out of there. If WWE signed Bobby Rude, he would be the equivalent of Michael Mcgillicutty. They are fine where they are.
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Post by Last Trent Barreta Fan on Mar 14, 2013 15:05:47 GMT -5
TNA is there for people who want something different in their wrestling. Same with ROH, NWA, Shimmer, etc. A person can only watch WWE programming for so long.
As for your question, TNA is probably better for RVD and Roode right now
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on Mar 14, 2013 15:12:14 GMT -5
Because they're not interested? I know Triple H has made offers before to Roode and Storm, but they've both made it clear that their loyalty lies with TNA. WWE has made offers to Roode and or Storm? Man i wish these guys were in WWE. WWE is filled with young guys who should be developing. Guys like Roode,Storm, and Joe are polished. Screw FCW and NXT, TNA should be WWE's breeding ground. Just like they used ECW as one back in the day.
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Post by China Claus on Mar 14, 2013 15:14:12 GMT -5
For someone who hates TNA so much, you seem pretty impressed by their talent.
Which doesn't make a whole lot of sense.....
I don't really see why people consider TNA the minor leagues. They may be a couple steps below WWE in a lot of ways, but that doesn't necessarily constitute them as the minor leagues.
As far as WWE not raiding their talent, I'm sure a lot of TNA wrestlers are happy where they are, even if some people think TNA is the "minors".
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on Mar 14, 2013 15:20:50 GMT -5
For someone who hates TNA so much, you seem pretty impressed by their talent. Which doesn't make a whole lot of sense..... I don't really see why people consider TNA the minor leagues. They may be a couple steps below WWE in a lot of ways, but that doesn't necessarily constitute them as the minor leagues. As far as WWE not raiding their talent, I'm sure a lot of TNA wrestlers are happy where they are, even if some people think TNA is the "minors". Minors couldn't be any more fitting for TNA. Where is the bigger money? Who gets bigger ratings? PPV buys? Merch? Everything about WWE is bigger x10 than anything TNA accomplishes. TNA is the minor league. I'm incredibly impressed by their talent, i think their homegrown talent is brillant. Styles/Joe/Roode/Storm/Aries and i could go on. TNA is a creative shithole. No way they deserve to have guys that talented in the horrendous storylines they book them in. WWE has it's creative faults, but TNA is nonstop wrestlecrap.
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Post by | NLS™ | on Mar 14, 2013 15:22:45 GMT -5
Well TNA offers their wrestlers a light work schedule. WWE did offer a contract to RVD but it required him to be on the road 24/7 which he doesn't want to do, and he doesnt have to in TNA.
TNA is good for Pro Wrestling as a whole because it offers the boys a place to go other than or after WWE. On top of that, I don't think WWE would know what to do with a Bobby Roode. He'd get lost in the shuffle real quick like Monty Brown did when he went there.
Unfortunately WWE doesn't really care how far one goes in TNA whether he made it to the top or not. That doesn't really prove that a guy can draw and put asses in the seats. Most people don't even know about TNA and TNA don't draw worth a crap compared to WWE so it's kind of hard to tell who can or will be major star when they jumpship.
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Post by punksnotdead on Mar 14, 2013 15:30:04 GMT -5
For someone who hates TNA so much, you seem pretty impressed by their talent. Which doesn't make a whole lot of sense..... I don't really see why people consider TNA the minor leagues. They may be a couple steps below WWE in a lot of ways, but that doesn't necessarily constitute them as the minor leagues. As far as WWE not raiding their talent, I'm sure a lot of TNA wrestlers are happy where they are, even if some people think TNA is the "minors". Minors couldn't be any more fitting for TNA. Where is the bigger money? Who gets bigger ratings? PPV buys? Merch? Everything about WWE is bigger x10 than anything TNA accomplishes. TNA is the minor league. I'm incredibly impressed by their talent, i think their homegrown talent is brillant. Styles/Joe/Roode/Storm/Aries and i could go on. TNA is a creative craphole. No way they deserve to have guys that talented in the horrendous storylines they book them in. WWE has it's creative faults, but TNA is nonstop wrestlecrap.Ignorant comment is ignorant. The Aces and 8's storyline, which is by no means perfect, is about 5,000 times more interesting than anything WWE has done since like SummerSlam of 2011. WWE doesn't even tell stories anymore. It's just a bunch of random feuds over meaningless titles. WWE 100% has better production, bigger audiences, is more marketable, sponsors and all that, but there are plenty of things from an in-ring and creative standpoint that TNA does a lot better than WWE imo. But you must know all about it since you seem to watch both shows so religiously that you know all about their talent and creative output.
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Post by Prophet of Ash on Mar 14, 2013 15:31:23 GMT -5
For someone who hates TNA so much, you seem pretty impressed by their talent. Which doesn't make a whole lot of sense..... I don't really see why people consider TNA the minor leagues. They may be a couple steps below WWE in a lot of ways, but that doesn't necessarily constitute them as the minor leagues. As far as WWE not raiding their talent, I'm sure a lot of TNA wrestlers are happy where they are, even if some people think TNA is the "minors". I hate TNA but I'm impressed by some of their talent. There's nothing wrong with AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, Bobby Roode.. I love Austin Aries, Joey Ryan, and Xima Ion to death. I'm sure there's others I'm overlooking. My problems with TNA are the old goons who have held on WAY too long and WAY past ANY relevance what so ever (Hogan, Sting, Bischoff, Taz, Dudleys) the nepotism at work (Brooke Hogan and Garrett Bischoff being two of the biggest stars, despite neither having any natural god given talents at all), and the overall production. TNA has some of the lowest production values I've ever seen. Their "arenas" all look dinky and small. If you can only draw 1000 fans.. run 1000 seat arenas! Don't run the 40,000 seat ALAMODOME! Taz and Mike Tenay ruin almost everything in TNA by Taz just being an old coot who craps on everything and is obnoxious, and Tenay being the most plastic, fake announcer in wrestling history. People can complain about Jerry Lawler, but at least he fakes enthusiasm. these two talking heads can't even manage that. The massive amount of talking. Talking that goes no where. Yeah, I know, WWE does it too and it's just as obnoxious when they do it. But the fact is, when TNA has 83 minutes of programming a week (that's their actual programming after the commercials are removed) to spend 15-20 minutes on Hulk Hogan talking and ultimately saying nothing is downright absurd. To spend another 10-15 minutes on groups of guys backstage, with a camera sneaking around the corner that can't even pick up good audio on them is just mind boggling. 83 minutes a week is enough time to run a quality wrestling federation and build up good storylines. ECW did it for years with 42 minutes a week. But when you waste most of your time with non-wrestlers babbling about nothing and just general time wasting.. our product suffers. The main problem within TNA is the writing and booking teams are completely inept. Everyone is either a main eventer or at the bottom of the card. No one is a mid carder. Because of that, no one can move up or down the card.. All the main eventers who AREN'T currently the focus are the "mid card" in hodgepodge feuds that are clearly just assembled to fill time until it's their turn on top. Then when they run out of guys.. they catapult someone like Eric Young from wrestling women in comedy matches to a PPV main event. Because that makes sense. WWE has their problems, but TNA is completely inept. I've wanted them to just go out of business for a long time, so people won't mistake what they are doing for pro wrestling. At this point, TNA is such damaged goods that they aren't just ruining their own brand name. They aren't just wasting money. They aren't just squandering away talent and making mindboggling stupid decisions.. They're hurting professional wrestling as a whole. They clearly label what they do as "IMPACT WRESTLING" despite the show have a very small percentage of actual in ring wrestling. Networks notice the ratings they get. And the constant downswing in them. And it harms new groups from getting national television deals. There are independents out there who would do about anything to have THIRTY MINUTES a week on Spike TV and would throw their absolute best in to it.. Yet TNA has two hours a week, 83 minutes of content a week.. And they just flush it away.
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Post by MonsoonMan on Mar 14, 2013 15:34:27 GMT -5
wwe is infamous for BURYING talent that did not originate in wwe.
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Post by NameRedacted™ on Mar 14, 2013 15:55:24 GMT -5
Minors couldn't be any more fitting for TNA. Where is the bigger money? Who gets bigger ratings? PPV buys? Merch? Everything about WWE is bigger x10 than anything TNA accomplishes. TNA is the minor league. I'm incredibly impressed by their talent, i think their homegrown talent is brillant. Styles/Joe/Roode/Storm/Aries and i could go on. TNA is a creative craphole. No way they deserve to have guys that talented in the horrendous storylines they book them in. WWE has it's creative faults, but TNA is nonstop wrestlecrap.Ignorant comment is ignorant. The Aces and 8's storyline, which is by no means perfect, is about 5,000 times more interesting than anything WWE has done since like SummerSlam of 2011. WWE doesn't even tell stories anymore. It's just a bunch of random feuds over meaningless titles. WWE 100% has better production, bigger audiences, is more marketable, sponsors and all that, but there are plenty of things from an in-ring and creative standpoint that TNA does a lot better than WWE imo. But you must know all about it since you seem to watch both shows so religiously that you know all about their talent and creative output. /Thread
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Post by DMO™ on Mar 14, 2013 15:55:58 GMT -5
Sooo people bitch and complain that the younger talent aren't being used properly, yet they want WWE to bring in more stars to overshadow the younger guys...
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Post by awesomeallamerican on Mar 14, 2013 15:57:34 GMT -5
Minors couldn't be any more fitting for TNA. Where is the bigger money? Who gets bigger ratings? PPV buys? Merch? Everything about WWE is bigger x10 than anything TNA accomplishes. TNA is the minor league. I'm incredibly impressed by their talent, i think their homegrown talent is brillant. Styles/Joe/Roode/Storm/Aries and i could go on. TNA is a creative craphole. No way they deserve to have guys that talented in the horrendous storylines they book them in. WWE has it's creative faults, but TNA is nonstop wrestlecrap.Ignorant comment is ignorant. The Aces and 8's storyline, which is by no means perfect, is about 5,000 times more interesting than anything WWE has done since like SummerSlam of 2011. WWE doesn't even tell stories anymore. It's just a bunch of random feuds over meaningless titles. WWE 100% has better production, bigger audiences, is more marketable, sponsors and all that, but there are plenty of things from an in-ring and creative standpoint that TNA does a lot better than WWE imo. But you must know all about it since you seem to watch both shows so religiously that you know all about their talent and creative output. If we're being realistic, Aces & Eights is the worst storyline in wrestling right now. WWE certainly has its shortcomings, but Aces & Eights have been an absolute joke. Sure, Bully Ray joining is great, but it's eight months too late. There have been far too many lackluster, jobber reveals already. It's a lost cause.
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Post by Jaz on Mar 14, 2013 16:04:40 GMT -5
Because most of TNA's guys are former WWE wrestlers.
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Post by punksnotdead on Mar 14, 2013 16:09:22 GMT -5
Ignorant comment is ignorant. The Aces and 8's storyline, which is by no means perfect, is about 5,000 times more interesting than anything WWE has done since like SummerSlam of 2011. WWE doesn't even tell stories anymore. It's just a bunch of random feuds over meaningless titles. WWE 100% has better production, bigger audiences, is more marketable, sponsors and all that, but there are plenty of things from an in-ring and creative standpoint that TNA does a lot better than WWE imo. But you must know all about it since you seem to watch both shows so religiously that you know all about their talent and creative output. If we're being realistic, Aces & Eights is the worst storyline in wrestling right now. WWE certainly has its shortcomings, but Aces & Eights have been an absolute joke. Sure, Bully Ray joining is great, but it's eight months too late. There have been far too many lackluster, jobber reveals already. It's a lost cause. I disagree. As an internet fanbase, we are guilty of pissing and moaning about stories before they are completely rolled out, myself included. Looking back at the bigger picture, and while I agree it took too long to get to where they were going for my liking as well, they told a good story. It was a good story imo, because when the absolute most obvious conclusion ever happened, we all loved it. If you can get a guy over in a spot where everyone knows what's going to happen then you did something right. Plus, the reveals along the way, Devon, were at least shocking stepping stones. But again, I commend them for actually telling a story. To each their own, not for everyone.
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Post by awesomeallamerican on Mar 14, 2013 16:15:05 GMT -5
If we're being realistic, Aces & Eights is the worst storyline in wrestling right now. WWE certainly has its shortcomings, but Aces & Eights have been an absolute joke. Sure, Bully Ray joining is great, but it's eight months too late. There have been far too many lackluster, jobber reveals already. It's a lost cause. I disagree. As an internet fanbase, we are guilty of pissing and moaning about stories before they are completely rolled out, myself included. Looking back at the bigger picture, and while I agree it took too long to get to where they were going for my liking as well, they told a good story. It was a good story imo, because when the absolute most obvious conclusion ever happened, we all loved it. If you can get a guy over in a spot where everyone knows what's going to happen then you did something right. Plus, the reveals along the way, Devon, were at least shocking stepping stones. But again, I commend them for actually telling a story. To each their own, not for everyone. The issue here is that Bully Ray being revealed makes no sense in retrospect, even if it is the right move. If he's the president, then he has been part of the group all along. Why didn't he just have Aces & Eights help him win the Bound For Glory Series? Why did Bully Ray fight Aces & Eights a billion times? Why did Aces & Eights hit him in the head with a freaking pillar at his wedding? Why did he beat up Bischoff and Brisco at Lockdown? None of that is sensible at all. Also, the rest of the group is trash. Devon has been the worst mouthpiece of all time, DOC loses every match, Anderson does nothing, Knox is barely even there, Bischoff and Brisco are useless, Taz has no purpose. Just because TNA finally made one right decision in putting Bully Ray in the group, it certainly doesn't dismiss the months upon months upon months of wayward and senseless booking.
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Post by MacReady on Mar 14, 2013 16:20:24 GMT -5
You just made a thread bitching about how WWE is in the Dark Ages; and now here you are blowing it because you "hate TNA"?
Make up your mind. As for your question; plenty of wrestlers have made it clear that they enjoy working for TNA; and why shouldn't they? Sure, they aren't on TV week after week (or not in many WWE superstars cases) getting buried by the bigger talent; but they're happy where they are. Why fault them for it?
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Post by Planktung on Mar 14, 2013 16:25:04 GMT -5
I disagree. As an internet fanbase, we are guilty of pissing and moaning about stories before they are completely rolled out, myself included. Looking back at the bigger picture, and while I agree it took too long to get to where they were going for my liking as well, they told a good story. It was a good story imo, because when the absolute most obvious conclusion ever happened, we all loved it. If you can get a guy over in a spot where everyone knows what's going to happen then you did something right. Plus, the reveals along the way, Devon, were at least shocking stepping stones. But again, I commend them for actually telling a story. To each their own, not for everyone. The issue here is that Bully Ray being revealed makes no sense in retrospect, even if it is the right move. If he's the president, then he has been part of the group all along. Why didn't he just have Aces & Eights help him win the Bound For Glory Series?Why did Bully Ray fight Aces & Eights a billion times? Why did Aces & Eights hit him in the head with a freaking pillar at his wedding? Why did he beat up Bischoff and Brisco at Lockdown? None of that is sensible at all. Also, the rest of the group is trash. Devon has been the worst mouthpiece of all time, DOC loses every match, Anderson does nothing, Knox is barely even there, Bischoff and Brisco are useless, Taz has no purpose. Just because TNA finally made one right decision in putting Bully Ray in the group, it certainly doesn't dismiss the months upon months upon months of wayward and senseless booking. Not to derail this thread, but they technically did try to help him. They attacked Hardy at No Surrender, but he still managed to win. I will agree with every other point made, though.
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Post by awesomeallamerican on Mar 14, 2013 16:29:19 GMT -5
The issue here is that Bully Ray being revealed makes no sense in retrospect, even if it is the right move. If he's the president, then he has been part of the group all along. Why didn't he just have Aces & Eights help him win the Bound For Glory Series?Why did Bully Ray fight Aces & Eights a billion times? Why did Aces & Eights hit him in the head with a freaking pillar at his wedding? Why did he beat up Bischoff and Brisco at Lockdown? None of that is sensible at all. Also, the rest of the group is trash. Devon has been the worst mouthpiece of all time, DOC loses every match, Anderson does nothing, Knox is barely even there, Bischoff and Brisco are useless, Taz has no purpose. Just because TNA finally made one right decision in putting Bully Ray in the group, it certainly doesn't dismiss the months upon months upon months of wayward and senseless booking. Not to derail this thread, but they technically did try to help him. They attacked Hardy at No Surrender, but he still managed to win. I will agree with every other point made, though. True, but they could have helped him during the match or even the next night because Bully and Hardy had a rematch with the title shot on the line. There are way too many inconsistencies for my liking.
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