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Post by J12 on Apr 2, 2013 22:28:19 GMT -5
I'm not a member of the IWC and I love Dolph. He's probably my favorite current guy. Only because if anyone, I see a lot of Curt Hennig in him. If it wasn't for that 12 month expiration date, they'd have him carry around that damn briefcase forever. Uh, what? You post on an internet wrestling message board. You are part of the IWC, whether you want to admit it or not. As for this "news" story, I'll chalk it up as garbage like nearly everything else reported on the dirstheets. WWE cuts plenty of segments from Raw on a weekly basis. This means nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 22:49:24 GMT -5
I just don't get the hype for Ziggler. I really don't.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 22:51:45 GMT -5
It's quite obvious that WWE doesn't want us to give a flying about Ziggler. Yes, he's booked to 5hit and is buried to ing China. Pairing him up with that dumbass Langston has done nothing but make Ziggler look weaker than he already appears. Ziggler was white hot in the summer after winning MITB and sending Jericho out at SummerSlam. But ever since then, his descent has been steep and deep. They're throwing him and Langston into the tag team mess with Hell No, which will not help either in the least and will only throw Ziggler further off course. It's no surprise that Ziggler's matches are losing ratings because we know he's going to lose and he's just going to flop around after getting hit with the brogue kick or rko, or tapping out to Del Rio. I'm a big fan of his, but each week, I seem to care less and less about him and his success. He deserves a shot at the big time more than anyone else on the roster, but it appears WWE has zero faith in him. Lugging around that damn briefcase is just a tease and I've lost all faith in their booking for him. Ziggler & AJ could easily be a reincarnation of Edge & Lita, but WWE is too stupid to ing see it. Ziggler didn't send Jericho out at SummerSlam. It was at the Raw AFTER SS.
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Post by BØRNS on Apr 2, 2013 23:37:24 GMT -5
It's quite obvious that WWE doesn't want us to give a flying about Ziggler. Yes, he's booked to 5hit and is buried to ing China. Pairing him up with that dumbass Langston has done nothing but make Ziggler look weaker than he already appears. Ziggler was white hot in the summer after winning MITB and sending Jericho out at SummerSlam. But ever since then, his descent has been steep and deep. They're throwing him and Langston into the tag team mess with Hell No, which will not help either in the least and will only throw Ziggler further off course. It's no surprise that Ziggler's matches are losing ratings because we know he's going to lose and he's just going to flop around after getting hit with the brogue kick or rko, or tapping out to Del Rio. I'm a big fan of his, but each week, I seem to care less and less about him and his success. He deserves a shot at the big time more than anyone else on the roster, but it appears WWE has zero faith in him. Lugging around that damn briefcase is just a tease and I've lost all faith in their booking for him. Ziggler & AJ could easily be a reincarnation of Edge & Lita, but WWE is too stupid to ing see it. Ziggler didn't send Jericho out at SummerSlam. It was at the Raw AFTER SS. I was at the Raw AFTER SummerSlam. I know. But we all knew Jericho was going after SummerSlam and Ziggler was the last person he faced.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 23:40:13 GMT -5
He was being booked fairly well up until his fued with Cena. Maybe he pissed off Cena? I remember when Zig was doing that promo and he said something about how Cena hasnt changed a bit in 10 years just the same jorts and hat, when Cena came out he legit sounded angry and it almost sounded like he was shooting on Ziggler. Cena seems to be a guy with really thin skin and has a history of having people buried
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Post by JuiceWinslow on Apr 2, 2013 23:44:31 GMT -5
....because tis the same matches every damn week Yep.
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Post by Last Trent Barreta Fan on Apr 3, 2013 0:03:42 GMT -5
He was being booked fairly well up until his fued with Cena. Maybe he pissed off Cena? I remember when Zig was doing that promo and he said something about how Cena hasnt changed a bit in 10 years just the same jorts and hat, when Cena came out he legit sounded angry and it almost sounded like he was shooting on Ziggler. Cena seems to be a guy with really thin skin and has a history of having people buried *coughAlexRileycough*
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Post by King Silva on Apr 3, 2013 1:18:24 GMT -5
It's quite obvious that WWE doesn't want us to give a flying about Ziggler. Yes, he's booked to 5hit and is buried to ing China. Pairing him up with that dumbass Langston has done nothing but make Ziggler look weaker than he already appears. Ziggler was white hot in the summer after winning MITB and sending Jericho out at SummerSlam. But ever since then, his descent has been steep and deep. They're throwing him and Langston into the tag team mess with Hell No, which will not help either in the least and will only throw Ziggler further off course. It's no surprise that Ziggler's matches are losing ratings because we know he's going to lose and he's just going to flop around after getting hit with the brogue kick or rko, or tapping out to Del Rio. I'm a big fan of his, but each week, I seem to care less and less about him and his success. He deserves a shot at the big time more than anyone else on the roster, but it appears WWE has zero faith in him. Lugging around that damn briefcase is just a tease and I've lost all faith in their booking for him. Ziggler & AJ could easily be a reincarnation of Edge & Lita, but WWE is too stupid to ing see it. Completely agree. I think they will eventually get their chance to be really like Edge and Lita later this summer though. At least I would hope that Dolph would be WHC and AJ the Divas Champion..
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Post by Sonnen on Apr 3, 2013 2:05:34 GMT -5
Dolph Ziggler is better than Billy Gunn ever was. Except Gunn was OVER. Maybe he never became a top guy, but in his prime him and the Dogg were big time fan favorites. Noone outside of the IWC gives a crap about Ziggler. The dude doesn't even have any bass in his voice. Nail on the head, people say Ziggler is one push away from having everything down and being a main player. But he doesn't have "IT" amongst many other variables, fantastic worker and that's it, the fans don't connect.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2013 2:33:03 GMT -5
Despite being one of the most popular performers in the company and despite working a good match against Daniel Bryan, Dolph Ziggler was removed from this week's version of Monday Night Raw that WWE sends over to Hulu Plus. Statistically, the Money in the Bank winner has been losing viewers while on TV. Ewrestlingnews I know alot of people will make excuses and say it's the booking, but his character has zero appeal. He's the poor mans Billy Gunn. Dolph Ziggler is better than Billy Gunn ever was.
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Post by facemeat on Apr 3, 2013 2:33:04 GMT -5
Except Gunn was OVER. Maybe he never became a top guy, but in his prime him and the Dogg were big time fan favorites. Noone outside of the IWC gives a crap about Ziggler. The dude doesn't even have any bass in his voice. Nail on the head, people say Ziggler is one push away from having everything down and being a main player. But he doesn't have "IT" amongst many other variables, fantastic worker and that's it, the fans don't connect. Have you thought that perhaps that's only because the WWE hasn't given them anything to connect with? Ziggler really doesn't have much to work with at this point, but that doesn't mean he'll never connect with the fans. Take Swagger: for a very long time, nobody gave a single about him, and most thought he would never go anywhere. Now look at him...they gave him a good gimmick, a good manager, and a push, and he's finally over as a heel.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2013 2:38:27 GMT -5
Dolph is a good wrestler, there's no question about that. But he is absolutely nothing compared to what Billy Gunn was. All the people saying that he's better than Billy Gunn because he's "accomplished more" are idiots. This is the day and age where there are 2 world titles and are passed around like hot potatoes. By that logic THE MIZ is better than Jake Roberts or MR PERFECT.
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Post by slappy on Apr 3, 2013 3:45:30 GMT -5
He was being booked fairly well up until his fued with Cena. Maybe he pissed off Cena? I remember when Zig was doing that promo and he said something about how Cena hasnt changed a bit in 10 years just the same jorts and hat, when Cena came out he legit sounded angry and it almost sounded like he was shooting on Ziggler. Cena seems to be a guy with really thin skin and has a history of having people buried *coughAlexRileycough* First off where is the proof of that? And where did that rumor even come from?
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Post by Unit/V-C2/4 on Apr 3, 2013 3:50:41 GMT -5
I feel very bad for anyone who would want to watch RAW on Hulu, the sliced up, gutted and repackaged version.
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Post by Boss Bread on Apr 3, 2013 4:02:31 GMT -5
Reading this thread, and I really like when Big E. Langston touches the microphone. Something amazing tends to always happen, like he cut a promo fairly recently on an episode of NXT and he was talking about his "Five D's!" One of them was "Delicious." It was so awesome, it was unpredictable. I also like reading his Twitter, the dude's intelligent and makes me happy to be a wrestling fan. lol Maybe I'm just weird. *shrugs*
But while this topic is about Ziggler...
Anyone know the song used in this video WWE produced?
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Post by WWE Common Terry on Apr 3, 2013 5:37:30 GMT -5
That match is also not on the WWE app. Maybe they just didn't like it.
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Post by Boy Wonder on Apr 3, 2013 7:28:09 GMT -5
How are we even comparing Gunn to Ziggler? Gunn isn't even in Ziggler's league. Gunn was a mid-carder who always played 2nd fiddle to bigger stars. Ziggler is a bonafied star who has all the skill and charisma to take him as far as WWE will let him.
The only time Gunn got over in any real capacity was when he was gay.
Can anyone even name one good Billy Gunn match off the top of their head?
Ziggler might be one of the last truly great workers we ever see.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2013 8:15:30 GMT -5
Dolph Ziggler is better than Billy Gunn ever was. Lmfao
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Apr 3, 2013 9:00:50 GMT -5
Dolph Ziggler is better than Billy Gunn ever was. Except Gunn was OVER. Maybe he never became a top guy, but in his prime him and the Dogg were big time fan favorites. Noone outside of the IWC gives a crap about Ziggler. The dude doesn't even have any bass in his voice. That's pretty much it. The same is true of Cesaro. WWE doesn't exactly help them with the storylines (or lack of) sometimes, but guys like that have had plenty of TV time to get themselves over with regular viewers.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2013 9:10:55 GMT -5
How are we even comparing Gunn to Ziggler? Gunn isn't even in Ziggler's league. Gunn was a mid-carder who always played 2nd fiddle to bigger stars. Ziggler is a bonafied star who has all the skill and charisma to take him as far as WWE will let him. The only time Gunn got over in any real capacity was when he was gay. Can anyone even name one good Billy Gunn match off the top of their head? Ziggler might be one of the last truly great workers we ever see. Wow... The fail is strong with you I see. Seriously, I'd like to know what it is you think that Ziggler has over Billy. Because I can't think of anything. Billy was bigger, stronger, faster, had a better look, and a gimmick that was awesome (Ziggler's "showoff" gimmick is stale and terrible). Of course the New Age Outlaws didn't sell any merchandise either. Oh wait, they did.... They sold more than anyone else in the peak of wrestling's popularity (only behind Austin). Even as "The One" Billy was over as hell. The only thing Dolph Ziggler is good at is taking moves, nothing else. There's a reason why he's still jobbing. It's because he's not good at anything else. He isn't a believable star. They had to put Vickie with him just to get him any kind of crowd reaction. If you haven't seen a good Billy Gunn match, then you haven't seen a Billy Gunn match. It's that simple. This 7 minute match on SD is better than ANYTHING Dolph Ziggler has done in his entire career.
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